PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[Chanel Bomber]

Trading one problem for another problem.

A lesser problem

Randle entering his 30s on a multi-year 40+ million contract is basically Lucifer

banking on kat playing C doesn't exactly sound like the harmony of angels singing

ChaHell is the best hell

[Chanel Bomber]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

you could always just find similar money with an extra year on it if he had no actual value in a trade.

plus there's nowhere to go. there's 2 teams in the league expected to have any kind of real cap room this summer in the nets and wizards. neither of them are investing in him in the beginning of a rebuild. he'd have to either settle or he would just pick up his option at that point and ask for a trade if he's really unhappy. and at that point we could see what our options were.

I think Detroit will have the right amount of capspace and desperation to pay him 40 plus. And isn't Randle the ultimate Piston? Wizards is a strong match too. Both franchises are delulu so I think they're plausible destinations.

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

[Guano]

A lesser problem

Randle entering his 30s on a multi-year 40+ million contract is basically Lucifer

banking on kat playing C doesn't exactly sound like the harmony of angels singing

ChaHell is the best hell

the 10th level

tbh, i tend to agree with you on the moves. i can see the reasoning with the kat move based on the cba and randle's contract situation. like many have said here about randle not being a winning player - i don't think kat is a winning player. i get what you 5 out freaks see in him. but i don't think he is exceptional enough on offense nor do i think og or mikal can keep him safe. speaking of mikal those 5 picks we gave up for a nice role player are what started this whole mess. he isn't bad but what we gave up and what our expectations are for him are unreal.

all that said we're a really good team. I just think our ceiling is capped with lil to no flexibility.

[Parraknick]

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

you could always just find similar money with an extra year on it if he had no actual value in a trade.

plus there's nowhere to go. there's 2 teams in the league expected to have any kind of real cap room this summer in the nets and wizards. neither of them are investing in him in the beginning of a rebuild. he'd have to either settle or he would just pick up his option at that point and ask for a trade if he's really unhappy. and at that point we could see what our options were.

I think Detroit will have the right amount of capspace and desperation to pay him 40 plus. And isn't Randle the ultimate Piston? Wizards is a strong match too. Both franchises are delulu so I think they're plausible destinations.

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

I think there is a 99% chance this is correct.

But I’d be shocked if any team offers Randle north of 40m unless it’s a short term deal

[Chanel Bomber]

banking on kat playing C doesn't exactly sound like the harmony of angels singing

ChaHell is the best hell

the 10th level

tbh, i tend to agree with you on the moves. i can see the reasoning with the kat move based on the cba and randle's contract situation. like many have said here about randle not being a winning player - i don't think kat is a winning player. i get what you 5 out freaks see in him. but i don't think he is exceptional enough on offense nor do i think og or mikal can keep him safe. speaking of mikal those 5 picks we gave up for a nice role player are what started this whole mess. he isn't bad but what we gave up and what our expectations are for him are unreal.

all that said we're a really good team. I just think our ceiling is capped with lil to no flexibility.

5 out freaks

We'll see I guess. I'm optimistic about the KAT trade as an isolated move but I understand the trepidation over the trade.

What would you have done this offseason? Realistically, out of respect for Realgm ethos.

[god shammgod]

I think the Knicks had to do something with Randle. I sait it earlier this summer. His contract extension was a problem the Knicks had to get out of.

you could always just find similar money with an extra year on it if he had no actual value in a trade.

plus there's nowhere to go. there's 2 teams in the league expected to have any kind of real cap room this summer in the nets and wizards. neither of them are investing in him in the beginning of a rebuild. he'd have to either settle or he would just pick up his option at that point and ask for a trade if he's really unhappy. and at that point we could see what our options were.

I think Detroit will have the right amount of capspace and desperation to pay him 40 plus. And isn't Randle the ultimate Piston? Wizards is a strong match too. Both franchises are delulu so I think they're plausible destinations.

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

i'm pretty sure detroit doesn't have cap space until 2026. and the wiz already have kuzma at the 4 and seem to like him.

and i agree. i'm not sure you can get anything for him with any kind of real value. but at worst you can just get the same salary back for him with an extra year on the deal. teams always want to save money.

[Guano]

ChaHell is the best hell

the 10th level

tbh, i tend to agree with you on the moves. i can see the reasoning with the kat move based on the cba and randle's contract situation. like many have said here about randle not being a winning player - i don't think kat is a winning player. i get what you 5 out freaks see in him. but i don't think he is exceptional enough on offense nor do i think og or mikal can keep him safe. speaking of mikal those 5 picks we gave up for a nice role player are what started this whole mess. he isn't bad but what we gave up and what our expectations are for him are unreal.

all that said we're a really good team. I just think our ceiling is capped with lil to no flexibility.

5 out freaks

We'll see I guess. I'm optimistic about the KAT trade as an isolated move but I understand the trepidation over the trade.

What would you have done this offseason? Realistically, out of respect for Realgm ethos.

[Capn'O]

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

I always hated the proposals to just dump Randle. He had/has value. Just an imperfect player and I'm glad we got good value for him. It was a good selling point. Also, I full well understand I've argued both sides of this trade today. I've been saying. I'm lukewarm towards KAT

[3toheadmelo]

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

I think the issue was the extension. The Knicks felt like they had to do something ASAP before they get stuck in a position they did not want to be in.

I also think they had no choice but to change the identity of the team when Hartenstein left and you can't depend on Mitch. It was either extend Randle, or trade for someone who is a star if you could. As flawed as he is, KAT is like a star/borderline star. And he is able to play two positions we needed to fill.

From what marc stein said, Rosas was pushing for KAT even before Hartenstein was plotting to leave. He wanted KAT more than Leon and I think thats what influenced this trade heavily.
We really didn't need to rush into a trade. We had until June to agree to an extension for Randle. And I'm sure by then we would know if Giannis or anyone of that caliber would be available, even Randle possibly extending. Knicks panicked in my eyes and we forced to change our identity for no reason. Maybe it gets better as the season goes on but so far we look like the team I thought we would look like with KAT. It sucks to watch.

[3toheadmelo]

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

Because one of your talking pts have been why not just wait for Giannis, I'm not saying just Giannis...name all the "big time" players that are being moved right now? And I'm saying we didn't have a package to get Giannis even if we wanted. And Giannis said after the season. Randle expiring wouldn't be able to be traded in the offseason because he would have opted out. You could have only used his expiring this offseason or before trade deadline...otherwise he has all the leverage because he was opting out. I think what is being missed is the time crunch to trade his contract we were in (if that was the route we were taking).

Now as for available guys I do think we probably could have gotten Ingram for Randle/Divo or Randle+Mitch. I'm guessing you are taking that deal over KAT. My belief we would be worse with that trade but thats probably at least a realistic type trade.

We don't know that Randle would've opted out. Guy wanted to retire here as a Knick. And to say we don't have the assets for Giannis, I doubt that. We gave up a superstar package for Mikal. I'm sure the Bucks would've taken that along with Divo, Randle as salary filler, and the young guys we just drafted who seem to have a lot of potential.

I can't predict the future and say which stars are gonna become available. But the smart move would've been to wait for someone instead of doing an unecessary trade to trade our whole identity. Forcing a trade for KAT was really short sighted.

And actually, the Knicks have been eyeing Giannis too. They clearly felt like they had enough assets for him.

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[F N 11]

Anything new happen today?

[JayTWill]

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

I always hated the proposals to just dump Randle. He had/has value. Just an imperfect player and I'm glad we got good value for him. It was a good selling point. Also, I full well understand I've argued both sides of this trade today. I've been saying. I'm lukewarm towards KAT

But how do we know how much value Randle actually provided in the trade? Personally I feel like DDV and the pick were the more appealing parts of the trade for Minnesota and KAT's value was not that high on his current contract. Randle almost feels like salary filler that they hope can make a positive impact or have some trade value before the deadline. He is such a clunky fit in their starting lineup that I can't imagine them valuing him too much.

Happy to get off of the Randle roller coaster after all these years. Not too excited about the idea of potentially hopping on to this expensive KAT rollercoaster for the next 4 years at the moment. Hopefully things go better than I expect.

[Fat Kat]

Anything new happen today?

We’re attempting to achieve clarity through observation and discussion.

[3toheadmelo]

yeah, there was nothing else to do is not a good reason for doing anything

Mfs be yapping.

[Capn'O]

Also I don't think there's any guarantee you find positive or neutral value with an extra year for Randle. At best you receive just a generic contract with no picks to attach to it to build value for a trade.

I personally think we got out of that contract just at the right time.

I always hated the proposals to just dump Randle. He had/has value. Just an imperfect player and I'm glad we got good value for him. It was a good selling point. Also, I full well understand I've argued both sides of this trade today. I've been saying. I'm lukewarm towards KAT

But how do we know how much value Randle actually provided in the trade? Personally I feel like DDV and the pick were the more appealing parts of the trade for Minnesota and KAT's value was not that high on his current contract. Randle almost feels like salary filler that they hope can make a positive impact or have some trade value before the deadline. He is such a clunky fit in their starting lineup that I can't imagine them valuing him too much.

Happy to get off of the Randle roller coaster after all these years. Not too excited about the idea of potentially hopping on to this expensive KAT rollercoaster for the next 4 years at the moment. Hopefully things go better than I expect.

This is one of those unproveable questions like whether the Raptors actually wanted RJ. We can't ask them. We can, however, observe that they have the guy in the starting lineup on a hopeful contender and he's likely the 2nd option. That should be evidence enough that they wanted him.

[F N 11]

Anything new happen today?

We’re attempting to achieve clarity through observation and discussion.

Lies

[JayTWill]

I always hated the proposals to just dump Randle. He had/has value. Just an imperfect player and I'm glad we got good value for him. It was a good selling point. Also, I full well understand I've argued both sides of this trade today. I've been saying. I'm lukewarm towards KAT

But how do we know how much value Randle actually provided in the trade? Personally I feel like DDV and the pick were the more appealing parts of the trade for Minnesota and KAT's value was not that high on his current contract. Randle almost feels like salary filler that they hope can make a positive impact or have some trade value before the deadline. He is such a clunky fit in their starting lineup that I can't imagine them valuing him too much.

Happy to get off of the Randle roller coaster after all these years. Not too excited about the idea of potentially hopping on to this expensive KAT rollercoaster for the next 4 years at the moment. Hopefully things go better than I expect.

This is one of those unproveable questions like whether the Raptors actually wanted RJ. We can't ask them. We can, however, observe that they have the guy in the starting lineup on a hopeful contender and he's likely the 2nd option. That should be evidence enough that they wanted him.

I don't know. If they trade him before the deadline or let him walk if he opts out I will assume they didn't value him that highly. Randle starting could mean they want him as their starting 4 or they want to try to maintain his trade value as a starting 4 or they may not want to shake up their rotation too much like Thibs starting Sims and keeping iHart on the bench last December. We shall see. I could see Randle going to the bench eventually depending on how the starting 5 fits together.

[Synciere]

Bruh you still missing the point. I’m not hear to argue about who and what we could’ve gotten for Randle. The truth is no one knows. What sham is saying if we gotten a big time player for Randle, we wouldn’t be complaining. It’s simple as that.

how is this semantics...that WASN'T AVAILABLE!!!

if it was Giannis would be wearing a knicks jersey right now. It takes two to tango.

When did I say Giannis was available in the past? Please show me where.

It’s possible he might become available. He literally said if they don’t win the chip this year, he thinks he’s getting traded. The smart move would’ve been to wait for him instead of doubling down on a move that literally changed the whole identity of the team.

Where did Giannis say that? On a pod? I missed that.

Waiting on Giannis would’ve made sense except it would’ve been a league wide bidding war and we wouldn’t have had enough to compete after the Mikal trade. Plus, we probably wouldn’t have Randle as he’d be a free agent after this season. Like both of the OG/Mikal trades the timing was key. IQ’s impending free agency and the cap closing in on us before the Mikal trade forced those moves. I get the timing of the KAT trade; just wished it were for someone who’d be a better fit defensively also and where we wouldn’t have had to give up Donte.

C’est la vie…

[Synciere]

If Mitch doesn’t get hurt (again) do we even make the KAT trade?

[Deeeez Knicks]

I will say, if things click right the Knicks can win a championship. Odds say that doesn't happen but the chances increased. This was all worth the risk.

You gotta roll the dice sometimes. A championship isn't going to be handed to us. Yolo, live love, grow some balls.. Knicks made some big moves