OT: USA 2024 Elections Thread Part # 2 (November 5th is Election Day!)

[HarthorneWingo]

We can’t go to war against Iran without congressional authorization, right?

The Muslim countries in the region are now pulling together. Their people are outraged and it’s beginning to boil over. They are getting financial and military support from China and Russia. BRICS is getting stronger while Turkey is considering leaving NATO. The cards are being dealt and our hand isn’t looking so good. We’re going to get into another protracted war in the Middle East.

[spree8]

We can’t go to war against Iran without congressional authorization, right?

The Muslim countries in the region are now pulling together. Their people are outraged and it’s beginning to boil over. They are getting financial and military support from China and Russia. BRICS is getting stronger while Turkey is considering leaving NATO. The cards are being dealt and our hand isn’t looking so good. We’re going to get into another protracted war in the Middle East.

About a good time to either dip out of here altogether or start learning to live completely off grid just in case lol. Feels like there’s a good 1-4 years before shyt hits the fan. Was bound to happen sooner or later with all the evil empire type actions around the globe. Sucks we gotta pay the price for it…

[HarthorneWingo]

As a member and supporter of humanity, I can't say that I'll be voting for Harris on Election Day without her changing her stance on Israel/Palestine. I'm sorry but I can't vote for anyone who supports the genocide of an indigenous and defenseless population. And I can’t vote for somebody who will co time to commit the war crimes that Biden administration has committed.

Harris needs to separate herself from Biden and call for an arms embargo on Israel, along with reparations for the Palestinians and a whole lot more. And that will never happen. So I plan on voting for Jill Stein. Oh, and I live in Pennsylvania. So if you want my vote, start pushing Kamala to where she needs to be. Also, there are 120,000 Muslims in Pennsylvania so she either better go get all those moderate republicans and independents or she's up Sheets Creak. American-Muslim citizens will not vote for her. Period.

Sorry to hear this, my brother. I know it must have been a tough decision as you were set to vote for Kamala not too long ago. But things are looking bleak, especially with Cheney in the spotlight now for whatever reason.

If I was in a swing state, I probably would have held out until the last day just to see if she budges at all. But I'm not in a swing state, so I went ahead and early voted for Dr. Cornel West.

I kinda wish I voted for Jill Stein as she will likely be the leading 3rd party candidate. But I think 3rd parties in general will help get the message across for the next cycle. Maybe the loser of the Dem or Republican party will take the anti-war/humane approach next election to rake in that 5%, probably way more.

If you voted for West because you were not in a swing state, sure OK, if you think he's your choice I have no quarrel with that.

But please get Stein out of your head man. She's funded by the Kremlin. You should know this already. Jesus man

That, apparently, has been completely debunked.

https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620

A [Stein] campaign spokesperson told Newsweek that Stein "attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy" and gave a speech in Moscow "in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders."

They added: "The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein's commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home."

The event featuring Stein and Putin was a December 2015 gala in Moscow in celebration of the Russian state television channel RT's tenth anniversary. The channel has been banned in several countries for spreading Russian propaganda since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

[HarthorneWingo]

We can’t go to war against Iran without congressional authorization, right?

The Muslim countries in the region are now pulling together. Their people are outraged and it’s beginning to boil over. They are getting financial and military support from China and Russia. BRICS is getting stronger while Turkey is considering leaving NATO. The cards are being dealt and our hand isn’t looking so good. We’re going to get into another protracted war in the Middle East.

About a good time to either dip out of here altogether or start learning to live completely off grid just in case lol. Feels like there’s a good 1-4 years before shyt hits the fan. Was bound to happen sooner or later with all the evil empire type actions around the globe. Sucks we gotta pay the price for it…

Oh yeah. Israel is a strategic military base for us and our involvement in this puts us people here in danger. Plus, we have lost our moral standing in the world. But, more than anything, I’m exhausted from living in a country that can’t stop getting involved in wars along with all the political division. I can’t move now but perhaps in a year or two.

[HarthorneWingo]

Fck you Mike Figueredo!!!!

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Aside of the humanitarian and legal reasons, my entire family is Muslim. My parents friends that I grew up with were mostly Muslim. My cousins are Muslim on both sides. Harris doesn’t give a damn about us. She doesn’t want our vote, clearly. She thinks that she can win this without us. Okay, go ahead. I cannot vote for someone who will be complicit in genocide and commit war crimes.

You have no idea what she will be complicit in. I fail to see any logic in your words. You KNOW it will stay the same or worse under Trump and you will risk sacrificing this country as well? This makes zero sense to me. You're throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Everything I’ve said is completely logical, Captain. You may not agree with it but it does make sense.

Harris hasn’t distanced herself one iota from Biden’s present war crimes/genocide policy and she’s been asked plenty of times. She’s going to continue the same fcking shyt. She has 12 days to separate herself. I’ll wait.

She wants the war to end. She has said as much. Biden policy is tying to get the cease fire talks going as we speak. Trump does not want anything to stop. Those are your options. Where is the disconnect for you? If you vote to help her win you can then have a seat at the table. If he wins you have a seat at the TV screen to watch Bibi continue with no one to stop him.

Are you forgetting the turmoil Trump will cause in the country you live in? Or the consequences for the Ukraine? I have seen you talk about leaving the country if Trump wins. That's your other option. Seems like a weird choice to me but, it's your right. I just wish you could make it make sense to me because, I don't get it.

[Luv those Knicks]

I don't understand how this is even a choice, but shockingly, nearly 40% of the country seems to really like Trump. I'm embarrassed for my country.

I wouldn't say 40% of this country "really likes Trump". It's probably less than that.

But I guess 46% of the country rather have him over Kamala, who can be viewed as unlikable like Hillary Clinton. But even she managed to rack up 3 million more votes than Donald.

So really, all the fear is in the Electoral College, and this is the only reason this is even "close". I can say without a doubt, that Kamala will get more votes than Trump. I'm betting it could be by a wider margin than 2016, but not as much as 2020.

Just analyzing the electoral map, Trump just looks favored though.

I've never understood Kamala's unpopularity. I understood Hillary's.

I put my hope in the belief that the polls have been wrong before. The so called "Red Wave" of 2022 was more of a red trickle. The polls showed republican, but the result was very different.

Maybe 2022 isn't a good model for 2024, but that's what I'm hoping for.

[Luv those Knicks]

As a member and supporter of humanity, I can't say that I'll be voting for Harris on Election Day without her changing her stance on Israel/Palestine. I'm sorry but I can't vote for anyone who supports the genocide of an indigenous and defenseless population. And I can’t vote for somebody who will co time to commit the war crimes that Biden administration has committed.

Harris needs to separate herself from Biden and call for an arms embargo on Israel, along with reparations for the Palestinians and a whole lot more. And that will never happen. So I plan on voting for Jill Stein. Oh, and I live in Pennsylvania. So if you want my vote, start pushing Kamala to where she needs to be. Also, there are 120,000 Muslims in Pennsylvania so she either better go get all those moderate republicans and independents or she's up Sheets Creak. American-Muslim citizens will not vote for her. Period.

I love you Wingo, you know that, but this is a tough one for me. I do think Israel should dial it back, but Hamas attacked Israel and nations like Iran and organizations like Hamas want Israel obliterated and removed from the region completely. That's a difficult set of circumstances to expect Israel to do nothing, which seems to be what a lot of people expect.

Now, I'm not taking sides. I personally don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't think Biden can control Israel, and I don't think asking him to oppose Israel verbally or even, threaten to pull US military aid to Israel would change a thing.

US aid to Israel is about 3 cents on the dollar to Israel's military budget. It's enough to get them to listen to us, sometimes, but it's not like US military aid is what Israel depends on. They'd be able to do basically everything they're doing now without US military support.

Biden said "It's time for the war to end", which is what you're saying, in fact, he said that months ago. So, I don't understand your opposition to Biden, OK, I kind of understand it, but it feels misplaced. I don't believe Israel's actions are, in any way, under Biden's control. I think he's trying to get them to dial it back, but it's not within his ability to make that happen.

It's easy to blame people, like how republicans everywhere blamed Biden for the increase in border crossings, when in fact, it was the end of COVID which was the biggest factor, and the democrats were ready to take action to reduce border crossings and increase deportations and it was the republicans, under Trump's request, who blocked those changes.

The only thing BIden hasn't done is cut ties with Israel and condemn them outright, he has asked them to stop the war, both publicly and presumably, privately in meetings with them. Trump, while outside of office, might promise to end the war, or stop funding Israel, but Trump would stop caring the instant he gets in office. Everything Trump said he'd do on the international stage, he didn't do. Trump is all talk, and he's all about Trump. International issues don't bother him at all, he only wants to look good.

Biden's probably trying harder to end this conflict that Trump would. That Muslims might vote for Trump represents the fact that they don't understand what America can do and what America can't or won't do. Trump wouldn't do a thing, in fact, he's been highly critical of Muslim nations in the middle east in the past. Privately Trump would probably tell Netanyahu that he didn't care how many bombs he drops, which is not what Biden is telling him.

Jill Stein has called Israel a "war monger" state. Stronger words than Biden has ever used, and has promised to pull military support, but that wouldn't change anything. It would just be tougher words.

[MrDollarBills]

I’m gonna wait until the end in the very off chance she changes her mind but she hasn’t given me any hope of that. If fact, she appears to be in lockstep with Biden’s pro-genocide policy.

She called for a cease fire. That is the first step. She cannot do anything unless she gets elected. Trump thinks Bibi is doing a good job. So you KNOW it will not end. More likely Trump pushes more money at him for some favors. This is far more likely than Harris keeping things the same. Simple logic.

You don't want to at least have a chance for things to change? There is no way she wants to risk the election taking a hard stance either way but, at least she took a stance that provides even the slightest glimmer of hope for those poor people.

We know for a fact that Trump will help Bibi. So what's the end game? Sacrifice our nation and theirs because of the current policies?

Aside of the humanitarian and legal reasons, my entire family is Muslim. My parents friends that I grew up with were mostly Muslim. My cousins are Muslim on both sides. Harris doesn’t give a damn about us. She doesn’t want our vote, clearly. She thinks that she can win this without us. Okay, go ahead. I cannot vote for someone who will be complicit in genocide and commit war crimes.

Wingo, your anger at the Biden Administration is justified. Joe made several missteps here and it cost lives. It will be the stain of his presidency. I agree with you.

However, I just ask you to please consider the long term ramifications of your position as we head into Election Day.

Everyone who you care about will be in the line of fire here at home if Trump wins. He is threatening things that he will absolutely follow through on. Muslim folks will not be spared. No one of color will be. We already know this, because he already hurt Muslims on day 1 of his previous term.

Trump is a liar, but when he says he will do things to hurt people, that is the only time he will tell the truth. Mass deportations, round ups and military violence. Believe him. By sitting out or not voting Harris, it only helps him. This is not fear mongering. Believe him. There are people from all sides of the spectrum sounding the alarm including his own former staff and generals. We cannot let this man back into power.

I cannot tell you how things will go with Harris, but I assure you this: your response is exactly what Bibi wants from you. He wants you to sit at home and to help Trump to win. This has been his play the entire time.

Don't let them win.

[Zenzibar]

As a member and supporter of humanity, I can't say that I'll be voting for Harris on Election Day without her changing her stance on Israel/Palestine. I'm sorry but I can't vote for anyone who supports the genocide of an indigenous and defenseless population. And I can’t vote for somebody who will co time to commit the war crimes that Biden administration has committed.

Harris needs to separate herself from Biden and call for an arms embargo on Israel, along with reparations for the Palestinians and a whole lot more. And that will never happen. So I plan on voting for Jill Stein. Oh, and I live in Pennsylvania. So if you want my vote, start pushing Kamala to where she needs to be. Also, there are 120,000 Muslims in Pennsylvania so she either better go get all those moderate republicans and independents or she's up Sheets Creak. American-Muslim citizens will not vote for her. Period.

I love you Wingo, you know that, but this is a tough one for me. I do think Israel should dial it back, but Hamas attacked Israel and nations like Iran and organizations like Hamas want Israel obliterated and removed from the region completely. That's a difficult set of circumstances to expect Israel to do nothing, which seems to be what a lot of people expect.

Now, I'm not taking sides. I personally don't have a dog in this fight, but I don't think Biden can control Israel, and I don't think asking him to oppose Israel verbally or even, threaten to pull US military aid to Israel would change a thing.

US aid to Israel is about 3 cents on the dollar to Israel's military budget. It's enough to get them to listen to us, sometimes, but it's not like US military aid is what Israel depends on. They'd be able to do basically everything they're doing now without US military support.

Biden said "It's time for the war to end", which is what you're saying, in fact, he said that months ago. So, I don't understand your opposition to Biden, OK, I kind of understand it, but it feels misplaced. I don't believe Israel's actions are, in any way, under Biden's control. I think he's trying to get them to dial it back, but it's not within his ability to make that happen.

It's easy to blame people, like how republicans everywhere blamed Biden for the increase in border crossings, when in fact, it was the end of COVID which was the biggest factor, and the democrats were ready to take action to reduce border crossings and increase deportations and it was the republicans, under Trump's request, who blocked those changes.

The only thing BIden hasn't done is cut ties with Israel and condemn them outright, he has asked them to stop the war, both publicly and presumably, privately in meetings with them. Trump, while outside of office, might promise to end the war, or stop funding Israel, but Trump would stop caring the instant he gets in office. Everything Trump said he'd do on the international stage, he didn't do. Trump is all talk, and he's all about Trump. International issues don't bother him at all, he only wants to look good.

Biden's probably trying harder to end this conflict that Trump would. That Muslims might vote for Trump represents the fact that they don't understand what America can do and what America can't or won't do. Trump wouldn't do a thing, in fact, he's been highly critical of Muslim nations in the middle east in the past. Privately Trump would probably tell Netanyahu that he didn't care how many bombs he drops, which is not what Biden is telling him.

Jill Stein has called Israel a "war monger" state. Stronger words than Biden has ever used, and has promised to pull military support, but that wouldn't change anything. It would just be tougher words.

When release from prison after 27 years, Nelson Mandela visited Palestine and said "We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."

Mandela was deemed a terrorist by the apartheid state of South Africa, backed btw by the U.S. and Israel. Was this great man a terrorist? Or a freedom fighter? Even the U.S. revolutionaries against Britain were considered terrorist by the British Empire and all their controlled territories.

The Palestinians didn't attack Israel for fun on Oct. 7th. They were fighting for their freedom from occupation and abuse. Do you think that MLK, wasn't considered a terrorist or anti-American when leading the cause for freedom?

Harris is a pawn of the Zionist lobby, so is Trump. No bueno for the future of the U.S.A. as Brics is gaining power everyday due to the U.S.'s financial and military criminality abroad.

For me it's Jill Stein all the way.

[Luv those Knicks]

When release from prison after 27 years, Nelson Mandela visited Palestine and said "We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians."

Mandela was deemed a terrorist by the apartheid state of South Africa, backed btw by the U.S. and Israel. Was this great man a terrorist? Or a freedom fighter? Even the U.S. revolutionaries against Britain were considered terrorist by the British Empire and all their controlled territories.

The Palestinians didn't attack Israel for fun on Oct. 7th. They were fighting for their freedom from occupation and abuse. Do you think that MLK, wasn't considered a terrorist or anti-American when leading the cause for freedom?

Harris is a pawn of the Zionist lobby, so is Trump. No bueno for the future of the U.S.A. as Brics is gaining power everyday due to it's financial and military criminality abroad.

For me it's Jill Stein all the way.

This is the problem I have. Hamas would drop a nuke on Israel if they could. Hamas would release a vial of ebola in the center of jeruselum if they could. Iran would nuke Israel if they could. They would turn Israel into rubble if they could, or perhaps more accurately, if they didn't fear retaliation.

Not every muslim feels this way, many in fact, don't feel this way, but there are organizations in the middle east, powerful ones, some funded by governments like Iran and backed by wealthy oil barons in Saudi Arabia, with the intention of turning Israel to rubble and taking back the land, because they see it as their land.

Nelson Mandela never wanted to kick every white person out of South Africa (to my knowledge, he never said that, he wanted equality, not reducing the other side to rubble). Martin Luther King never said "I want to kill white people" Groups like Hamas not only have stated that's their intention, to get rid of the Jewish state of Israel, but they've attacked it.

The US never attacked England during their rebellion, they threw some tea in the river, and I think there was a small skirmish where 2 English troops were attacked.

While I'm sympathetic to anyone who is at an unfair advantage, or worse, which I think is the case with the Palestinians, losing access to water, losing land. It's a mess of a situation. It's very difficult to forgive direct attacks, often on civilians.

Mandela never did that. King never did that. The US never did that to Britian until after they invaded.

I'm not even sure Israel has the means to make peace because too many on the other side don't want peace. It feels like a very messy and almost unsolvable situation. I don't think comparing Hamas to Mandela is a fair comparison. I don't know what the solution is when both sides think the land belongs to them.

[Clyde_Style]

Sorry to hear this, my brother. I know it must have been a tough decision as you were set to vote for Kamala not too long ago. But things are looking bleak, especially with Cheney in the spotlight now for whatever reason.

If I was in a swing state, I probably would have held out until the last day just to see if she budges at all. But I'm not in a swing state, so I went ahead and early voted for Dr. Cornel West.

I kinda wish I voted for Jill Stein as she will likely be the leading 3rd party candidate. But I think 3rd parties in general will help get the message across for the next cycle. Maybe the loser of the Dem or Republican party will take the anti-war/humane approach next election to rake in that 5%, probably way more.

If you voted for West because you were not in a swing state, sure OK, if you think he's your choice I have no quarrel with that.

But please get Stein out of your head man. She's funded by the Kremlin. You should know this already. Jesus man

That, apparently, has been completely debunked.

https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620

A [Stein] campaign spokesperson told Newsweek that Stein "attended at her own expense to spread a message of peace and diplomacy" and gave a speech in Moscow "in which she criticized the excessive militarism of both Vladimir Putin and U.S. leaders."

They added: "The Senate Intelligence Committee later investigated the trip and found no wrongdoing whatsoever. Dr. Stein's commitment to diplomacy is more needed than ever and stands in stark contrast to the two warmongering ruling parties, which are driving us toward WWIII [World War III] and draining resources urgently needed here at home."

The event featuring Stein and Putin was a December 2015 gala in Moscow in celebration of the Russian state television channel RT's tenth anniversary. The channel has been banned in several countries for spreading Russian propaganda since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

Quoting a Stein spokesperson?

She said the invasion of Ukraine was provoked by the U.S. She pushes Kremlin ideology.

And if she's a Green party candidate why does she have oil company holdings? You can't do that in her position without being a hypocrite.

She's a liar and a stooge.

Basically, you're willing to sacrifice Ukraine, but not Gaza if you think voting for Stein is better than us having future democratic elections or any civilian protections against the state.

With the horrors Trump has already committed against our judiciary I'd think a lawyer like yourself would have more concerns about the future of our courts under another Trump presidency. It will be the end of any form of democratic representation in this country once they stock the courts with Trump flunkies a second time around. You should want better than that. Biden did appoint more black women judges than any other demographic and in record numbers.

[Clyde_Style]

The Russians play the long game

They began cultivating Trump in the 80s. Their intel saw him as a wild card asset in the future. Once he announced his candidacy in 2015 his operations were swarming with Russians and his campaign manager Paul Manafort was a direct Russian asset who had been the campaign manager who backed Russia's candidate for the presidency of Ukraine.

You have to be really naive if you think Jill Stein giving a speech in Moscow against state aggression by state powers like Russian and the U.S. absolves her of any connection to Putin.

Are you kidding me? That's the speech you give to fool people like you guys here so that later when she pushes Russia's messaging about Ukraine you think she's still an anti-imperialist because she opposes the war on Palestine.

You guys are gullible and have been for years. You still haven't looked in the mirror to see how easily you're manipulated by double speak, the Orwellian crap the Kremlin has planted in your brains for a decade using social media.

Trump is their Manchurian Candidate and Stein is their Helen of Troy. And here you guys are throwing away our democracy out of spite for a Russian stooge. You're suckers and fools

[Clyde_Style]

And I'm crying in my coffee now (laughter or sadness, not sure) over the notion that a vote for Stein is pro-Muslim and Harris is anti-Muslim.

Yeah, helping Trump get elected is really great for Muslims, right?

The man whose very first action as POTUS was imposing a Muslim ban at the airports that created instant chaos and discord.

Stein is the choice for Muslims! Unreal

[DOT]

I've never understood Kamala's unpopularity. I understood Hillary's.

She's really not unpopular though

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/kamala-harris/

Yeah, she currently has a net negative favorability, but it's less than a point, and it was net favorable a couple weeks ago

Compare that to Trump's aggregates, his net favorability is -8.8. Biden is -14.7, with a sub-40% favorable. Both them are over 50% unfavorable to Kamala's 48%

She doesn't inspire the rabid fanaticism of that Trump base, but no Dem does because it's weird, but she's fairly popular relative to other politicians. People are divided, but about the same amount of people like her as dislike her, which is pretty good for a Dem politician.

[Fairview4Life]

Harris hasn’t distanced herself one iota from Biden’s present war crimes/genocide policy and she’s been asked plenty of times. She’s going to continue the same fcking shyt. She has 12 days to separate herself. I’ll wait.

Trump said he talks with Netanyahu all the time and it's a good thing he isn't listening to Biden.

[Luv those Knicks]

And I'm crying in my coffee now (laughter or sadness, not sure) over the notion that a vote for Stein is pro-Muslim and Harris is anti-Muslim.

Yeah, helping Trump get elected is really great for Muslims, right?

The man whose very first action as POTUS was imposing a Muslim ban at the airports that created instant chaos and discord.

Stein is the choice for Muslims! Unreal

If you really wanted a pro Muslim candidate, it would be Ilhan Omar, but she's not a natural born citizen, so she can't run for Prez.

Stein is Jewish, but only by birth, not practicing and she's basically said she'd cut all funding and support to Israel on day one, because she's sympathetic to Palestine. Voting Stein above Harris makes some logical sense, based on that promise, but if we're honest, we don't really know what Jill Stein would do. She has no voting history to check. She's just made her position known, but there's no action to back it up, unlike a senator, congressperson or governor who says and does stuff. We know who Tim Walz is, because he was Governor. We know who Harris is, based on her history, and some of that is mixed. Prosecutors aren't always popular. We know who Trump is.

Obama actually tried. He reached out to Iran and even accomplished a peace treaty, with sacrifices on both sides. Trump just tore it up, so I think US credibility on peace treaties is now shot. (Thanks Donald). I don't know if Obama's efforts to make a peace treaty with Iran accomplished anything. I've heard republicans criticize that treaty, but they often criticize things by default, like Hillary for Benghazi, where she did absolutely nothing wrong.

We don't know if Stein will be interventionist or not. Plus, she's never going to win, so it's just a protest vote, and protest votes can be valid, but my friend still hasn't forgiven herself for her protest vote for Nader when republicans stole the election from Gore.

Trump almost certainly wouldn't care if Israel killed a million Muslims. Harris would care so in that sense; Harris should be the choice of people who are pro Palestine and who consider that a core issue.

[Luv those Knicks]

Harris hasn’t distanced herself one iota from Biden’s present war crimes/genocide policy and she’s been asked plenty of times. She’s going to continue the same fcking shyt. She has 12 days to separate herself. I’ll wait.

Trump said he talks with Netanyahu all the time and it's a good thing he isn't listening to Biden.

What Trump says and what the truth is, are miles and miles apart.

Besides, Biden is telling Netanyahu to stop the bombing, so does this mean, Trump is pro bombing? Is Trump shooting himself in the foot with this one? Wouldn't be the first time.

[Stannis]

If you are so concerned about Gaza...go over their and take up arms

Telling us if you don't like it, you can get out, eh?

You got it all wrong. This isn't some random conflict across the world. It's a genocide + war that USA is funding and involved in.

Israel has a strong lobby in the US, and are pushing for Greater Israel and a great war with Iran in the Middle East. They are bombing the hell out of Beirut Lebanon ffs.

You brought up local elections. But AIPAC even managed to oust Jamaal Bowman and Cori Bush because they didn't want America to fund a genocidal war.

Voters have every right to anti-war here. We know all the time, money + lives wasted in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Voters fear war. This administration has done zilch when it comes to deescalation. People have waited for Kamala to say the right things for months now. If you think her efforts are better going after the Liz Cheneys, by all means. But this is a scenario where you can't have your cake and eat it too

[Stannis]

Harris hasn’t distanced herself one iota from Biden’s present war crimes/genocide policy and she’s been asked plenty of times. She’s going to continue the same fcking shyt. She has 12 days to separate herself. I’ll wait.

Trump said he talks with Netanyahu all the time and it's a good thing he isn't listening to Biden.

All more reason for her to distant herself from Biden + Netanyahu + and even Trump, which still hasn't been done...