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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#21 » by DCZards » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:29 pm

payitforward wrote:Exactly. We got a R1 pick, a pair of R2 picks, & Malcolm Brogdon (or, one might prefer to say, the trade value of Malcolm Brogdon).

Actually, we got two R1 picks in the Deni trade. I expect the 2029 FRP to be somehow used well before 2029.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#22 » by doclinkin » Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:22 pm

lastemp3ror wrote:Two days ago I wrote this in the Deni trade thread:
"The strategy mentioned when Deni was traded will only make sense if Kuzma and Kispert are also traded, maybe along with Jonas, Poole, and Brogdon. If that doesn't happen, saying Deni was traded due to his contract timeline not syncing with the younger players is all BS."

Am I delusional? Wasn't Deni's trade the result of his contract/age not lining up with the younger players' timeline? If so, someone please help me make sense of this deal?


Didn't fit the timeline because:

a) He is already good. Not on that developmental ramp. He helps us win, not lose. We need to bottom out, not grow. Yet.
b) he plays the same position as Bilal who needs developmental minutes, both to help us lose and for his own growth;
and Kuzma who helps us lose.
c) he plays the same position as the top 2 players in the upcoming draft, and the draft after that.
d) we were going to draft Sarr in the same position and role as Deni. Deni has shown an ability to fade or sulk when challenged for minutes at the spot he has rightly earned. Maybe he overcame it after we traded Rui. But maybe not. No matter what we need to play Sarr a ton before he will be worth his pick.
e) Deni's value was the highest it had ever been. Nobody else on a 15 win team was worth a bag of used kitty litter. We were unable to trade Kuz for value. A logjam at forward means the return for any player has suppressed value. They are splitting minutes and counting stats etc.
f) See a) above. We need to tank. Nothing is more important than landing a franchise star. We can load manage and rest any quality late career vets like Brogdon and Jonas if they are hurting the tank too much. You can't rest a productive young cat on his way up without denting his confidence and league value.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#23 » by doclinkin » Tue Oct 22, 2024 11:53 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:Exactly. We got a R1 pick, a pair of R2 picks, & Malcolm Brogdon (or, one might prefer to say, the trade value of Malcolm Brogdon).

Actually, we got two R1 picks in the Deni trade. I expect the 2029 FRP to be somehow used well before 2029.


Dunno. How long are the contracts of Winger and Dawkins? I think Winger got 5 years. But if they are on the upswing with good young talent from the next 2 drafts I figure they can expect extensions and acclamation.

Under the gun of this CBA (in place until 2030) I can see them stockpiling future draft picks for the long term. The best bargain in the NBA is a productive player on a rookie contract. Nice that they are inking role players to descending deals, but when it comes time to re-ink stars it gets harder and harder to keep successful teams together. They'll be watching how OKC renews themselves with their arsenal of picks, but that is the model. To build a winner yet be constantly rebuilding with incoming new talent. I don't doubt they will get extra picks before 2029 as well, so selling that one off won't be a pressure. I think they like trading 2RPs to move up, but cherish the high picks and won't sell the future for an earlier return.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#24 » by lastemp3ror » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:59 pm

doclinkin wrote:
lastemp3ror wrote:Two days ago I wrote this in the Deni trade thread:
"The strategy mentioned when Deni was traded will only make sense if Kuzma and Kispert are also traded, maybe along with Jonas, Poole, and Brogdon. If that doesn't happen, saying Deni was traded due to his contract timeline not syncing with the younger players is all BS."

Am I delusional? Wasn't Deni's trade the result of his contract/age not lining up with the younger players' timeline? If so, someone please help me make sense of this deal?


Didn't fit the timeline because:


c) he plays the same position as the top 2 players in the upcoming draft, and the draft after that.


All of your points are logical, however this one is a bit of a stretch.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#25 » by doclinkin » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:05 am

lastemp3ror wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
c) he plays the same position as the top 2 players in the upcoming draft, and the draft after that.


All of your points are logical, however this one is a bit of a stretch.


Yes BUT:

Ace Bailey:


Cooper Flagg:


2026. Cam Boozer vs AJ Dybantsa:


Check out how many of the 2026 top prospects are forwards:
https://nbadraftroom.com/2026-nba-mock-draft/

Point is we are not trying to win. We want these guys. If we lose we can replace Deni with guys who are potentially better.

Stretch maybe, but if you don't reach you'll never touch the stars.

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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#26 » by gambitx777 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:18 am

It's a solid contract.


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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#27 » by queridiculo » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:14 am

All that so we can trade him for a 2032 2nd rounder.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#28 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:11 pm

Sheeesh... what's with all the complaining?
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#29 » by nate33 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:22 pm

payitforward wrote:Sheeesh... what's with all the complaining?

Yeah, I don't get it. By the end of his next contract, we will have gotten 8 productive 6th/7th man caliber seasons out of him at an average cost of $9M a year - about two-thirds of the MLE. And all it cost us was the 15th pick.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#30 » by payitforward » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:32 pm

Right. & even if it's fair to say that there were a few better guys on the board (Sengun & Murphy in particular), at least we didn't get "lucky" & have one of Davion Mitchell, Ziaire Williams, James Bouknight, Joshua Primo, or Chris Duarte fall to us.

How many of you recall how very much you were hoping Chris Duarte might fall to us...?
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#31 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:36 pm

Corey "I think I'm the smartest guy on the floor, when my basketball IQ is marginal at best" Kispert.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#32 » by nate33 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:16 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Corey "I think I'm the smartest guy on the floor, when my basketball IQ is marginal at best" Kispert.

This is a ridiculous comment.

Last year, among Wizards with 1000 or more minutes, Kispert had the second best TOV% (behind Tyus), the second best TS% (behind Gafford) and the 3rd best on/off differential (behind Deni and Gafford). He was one of the best on the team at being efficient, avoiding turnovers, and having a generally positive impact on the floor. These are indications of a very good basketball IQ.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#33 » by dckingsfan » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:22 pm

nate33 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Corey "I think I'm the smartest guy on the floor, when my basketball IQ is marginal at best" Kispert.

This is a ridiculous comment.

Last year, among Wizards with 1000 or more minutes, Kispert had the second best TOV% (behind Tyus), the second best TS% (behind Gafford) and the 3rd best on/off differential (behind Deni and Gafford). He was one of the best on the team at being efficient, avoiding turnovers, and having a generally positive impact on the floor. These are indications of a very good basketball IQ.

And the contract is solid and declining. It was a solid move by the FO.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#34 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Fri Oct 25, 2024 10:57 pm

nate33 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Corey "I think I'm the smartest guy on the floor, when my basketball IQ is marginal at best" Kispert.

This is a ridiculous comment.

Last year, among Wizards with 1000 or more minutes, Kispert had the second best TOV% (behind Tyus), the second best TS% (behind Gafford) and the 3rd best on/off differential (behind Deni and Gafford). He was one of the best on the team at being efficient, avoiding turnovers, and having a generally positive impact on the floor. These are indications of a very good basketball IQ.



Kispert is essentially relegated to shooting the three and cutting to the basket on offense, when he tries to play outside of that, ie., create a shot for himself by taking his man off the dribble or create a scoring opportunity for someone else he becomes prone to the negative play. Gafford was always a turnover waiting to happen if the ball wasn't out of his hands in a timely fashion; he was crazy efficient as a low post scorer, but floor awareness was never his strongest attribute.

Tyus and Deni were heady players, both had great basketball IQs.

Kispert is as tradeable a player as anyone else deemed the opposite of untouchable.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#35 » by nate33 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:42 pm

AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
nate33 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:Corey "I think I'm the smartest guy on the floor, when my basketball IQ is marginal at best" Kispert.

This is a ridiculous comment.

Last year, among Wizards with 1000 or more minutes, Kispert had the second best TOV% (behind Tyus), the second best TS% (behind Gafford) and the 3rd best on/off differential (behind Deni and Gafford). He was one of the best on the team at being efficient, avoiding turnovers, and having a generally positive impact on the floor. These are indications of a very good basketball IQ.



Kispert is essentially relegated to shooting the three and cutting to the basket on offense, when he tries to play outside of that, ie., create a shot for himself by taking his man off the dribble or create a scoring opportunity for someone else he becomes prone to the negative play. Gafford was always a turnover waiting to happen if the ball wasn't out of his hands in a timely fashion; he was crazy efficient as a low post scorer, but floor awareness was never his strongest attribute.

Tyus and Deni were heady players, both had great basketball IQs.

Kispert is as tradeable a player as anyone else deemed the opposite of untouchable.

I agree that Kispert is a tradeable player. He clearly has some weaknesses, particularly on defense. But low basketball IQ is not one of his weaknesses. It is one of his strengths.
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Re: Shams: Kispert extends, 4 yrs/$54 million 

Post#36 » by AWIZZINGBULLET » Sat Oct 26, 2024 12:17 am

nate33 wrote:
AWIZZINGBULLET wrote:
nate33 wrote:This is a ridiculous comment.

Last year, among Wizards with 1000 or more minutes, Kispert had the second best TOV% (behind Tyus), the second best TS% (behind Gafford) and the 3rd best on/off differential (behind Deni and Gafford). He was one of the best on the team at being efficient, avoiding turnovers, and having a generally positive impact on the floor. These are indications of a very good basketball IQ.



Kispert is essentially relegated to shooting the three and cutting to the basket on offense, when he tries to play outside of that, ie., create a shot for himself by taking his man off the dribble or create a scoring opportunity for someone else he becomes prone to the negative play. Gafford was always a turnover waiting to happen if the ball wasn't out of his hands in a timely fashion; he was crazy efficient as a low post scorer, but floor awareness was never his strongest attribute.

Tyus and Deni were heady players, both had great basketball IQs.

Kispert is as tradeable a player as anyone else deemed the opposite of untouchable.

I agree that Kispert is a tradeable player. He clearly has some weaknesses, particularly on defense. But low basketball IQ is not one of his weaknesses. It is one of his strengths.



Oh no, I didn't say low basketball IQ, I'm reminiscent of Javale McGee when thinking of low basketball IQ players who have played for the Wizards.

Kispert's movement without the ball, followed by his three-point shooting, are what I consider his standout attributes. He isn't a perpetual f-up, but he also isn't a player who displays game-changing, basketball IQ.

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