PG: Knicks vs Celtics: Season opener!

[thebuzzardman]

Anybody concerned none of our starting wings can turn the corner on a drive?

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This was always a concern for me with the OG-Mikal pairing.

OG has Oakley level skills at the 3 and Mikal isn't a guard like SF. Not enough to offset offensive stiffs like Hart and OG.

[prophet_of_rage]

Anybody concerned none of our starting wings can turn the corner on a drive?

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This was always a concern for me with the OG-Mikal pairing.

OG has Oakley level skills at the 3 and Mikal isn't a guard like SF. Not enough to offset offensive stiffs like Hart and OG.

It is alarming to see them dribble straight acrpss the free throw line and not be able to get to the basket. And they just pass to the other one who can't get anywhere either.

We need a player with wiggle. It's just Brunson. Tall mobile teams will smash us.

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[E-Balla]

Jarrett Allen probably another target we probably could have gotten for Randle and picks. I think his name has been floated around by the board by a few people. That probably would have been realistic.

I get the direction that probably makes us better defensively. I do think you then have a gaping hole with your #2 option on offense. And basically asking Brunson to do all the playmaking/scoring.

Our defense hasn't played a great game since February. They been awful.

I know its a small sample size alert but I don't know if I can ever get over Mitch absolutely sonning Allen in our playoff series. And on top of that he talked about how the lights were too bright. I mean that was in CLE...I don't exactly know how that translates playing with the Knicks where the lights are the brigthest.

Again not something I like the evaluate a player...want more statistics to back it up...but thats hard to get over.

You take Allen getting crushed by Mitch as a sign of how bad he is. I take it as a sign of how good Mitch is.

He averaged 17/14 against that tough ass Orlando squad too.

Certainly he's better than KAT given his contract and fit though.

[E-Balla]

Did people actually think others think R***** would never produce any more just because he's not on the Knicks? Hm...that's...interesting. Do those people also think him producing means something? Hm...even more...interesting.

Hey but D***...4-10/1-6...Deuce better?

We didn't trade Donte for Deuce we had both. What even is this post?

[whocares1]

Anybody concerned none of our starting wings can turn the corner on a drive?

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This was always a concern for me with the OG-Mikal pairing.

OG has Oakley level skills at the 3 and Mikal isn't a guard like SF. Not enough to offset offensive stiffs like Hart and OG.

Didn’t OG have a 30 point game in the second round of the actual playoffs in like 3 quarters?

[mpharris36]

Our defense hasn't played a great game since February. They been awful.

I know its a small sample size alert but I don't know if I can ever get over Mitch absolutely sonning Allen in our playoff series. And on top of that he talked about how the lights were too bright. I mean that was in CLE...I don't exactly know how that translates playing with the Knicks where the lights are the brigthest.

Again not something I like the evaluate a player...want more statistics to back it up...but thats hard to get over.

You take Allen getting crushed by Mitch as a sign of how bad he is. I take it as a sign of how good Mitch is.

He averaged 17/14 against that tough ass Orlando squad too.

Certainly he's better than KAT given his contract and fit though.

Yeah he had a good series against ORL but that is a team I wouldn't be worried about physicality since ORL plays like WCjr/Wagner at center and they really aren't a threat.

Defensively yes...will get no argument. Offensively no.

And the goal would ideally be getting Mitch back healthy so he can replicate some of that defense and interior presence we are currently missing.

[mpharris36]

No worries, mate. I get it.

What window did we extend and what's the ceiling with this team? And if that ceiling isn't a championship team do we have the pieces to make that happen?

My worry is they depleted their resources locking into a team that isn't championship caliber.

The goal should absolutely be a championship. I think we have a top 5 player in the sport. I think winning a championship requires a lot of other facters...good circumstance, injury luck...ect. But the key is to be a consistent contender year in and year out so you can take adv of your opportunity when things break your way.

Let me ask you a question do you think we could have maintained our last season success without depleting some of our resources since our big man rotation (which was integral to our success left in FA or significantly injured?).

Until we reach a conference finals or a finals or win it...tough to officially evalaute the trade. I'm assuming you are more referencing the Mikal trade because I don't think we moved a crazy amount of assets for KAT (Randle was an expiring and we also traded a heavily protected 1st). I think the argument can be made Divo was the most valuable piece but maybe the Knicks also felt that McBride was ready for an increased role scoring the ball.

So now we go back to the Mikal trade...I don't know necessarily we will see the impact in the regular season on a counting stats basis. I think this play was with an eye on how the playoffs are impacted and 2-way wings can have impact especially to combat the BOS perimeter players. Now the other night certainly didn't help calm concerns...but it is only one game. The team will need time.

I would like to be peaking around playoff and I didn't expect to come out of the gate being able to compete the BOS. But certainly we will need to get past them to reach our ultimate goal.

I don't think the randle/divo for kat deal was terrible all things considered.

Numerous factors forced their hand - not retaining iHarts bird rights, mitchs injury factors, randles contract, the cba, keeping the money on the books, Sims a potential starter, having deuce.m, playing 5 out. All that makes sense on making the deal.

We both know we wouldn't have been able to improve the C position without giving up assets. You have to give to get.

I honestly don't know what they could have done. Maybe this is the best timeline of all the universes out there. And I'm willing to give it time. What else are we going to do. This might end up the best team we've ever watched (besides wingo watching the championship teams).

I think we need other teams to have serious problems and to have unachievable heights reached to win it all. I seriously don't think its possible to be a championship team with kat at the 5. We weren't title contenders before the trades either. But we had flexibility. I think that's what bums me most about this team. Even though they're really good. I can't see a window to a chip. I don't think Brunson has a running mate.

I don't dislike mikal but that package was heavy.

The package was heavy. I think that was the extra cost from getting him from the Nets and the Knicks probably feel Bridges 2-way ability and being able to play off Brunson with there history together will outweigh other things that you typically try and get when you trade a bunch of 1st round picks for.

Like it hard to express with numbers what I think the Knicks org was trying to accomplish. Whenever you make a trade of that magnitude you worry about how will that player fit next to your star player. I think they went the safer route in terms of finding a guy that knows wont upset the apple card...has a team friendly contract. And can impact the game without the ball whether it be with spacing or defense.

Now the knicks certainly need Bridges to get back to close or all the way to that PHX form of defense. That will determine his true impact because the 2-way potential. Like if he's scoring 18-20 ppg with mediocre defense its not going to be really worth the package we gave up. We need that scoring with a disruptive POA defender. We get that then we are cooking.

[stuporman]

Did people actually think others think R***** would never produce any more just because he's not on the Knicks? Hm...that's...interesting. Do those people also think him producing means something? Hm...even more...interesting.

Hey but D***...4-10/1-6...Deuce better?

We didn't trade Donte for Deuce we had both. What even is this post?

I didn't say it was a trade of Donte for Deuce....what even is this post?

[2010]

Will it still be panic mode and code red level of concern if/when we win tonight? Or will the sentiment go back to us being world beaters (you know, when we aren’t playing the WORLD CHAMPS)?

Spoiler:

On banner raising night.

[sol537]

When Precious/Mitch return, we'll be battering most teams.

[KnixinSix]

Anybody concerned none of our starting wings can turn the corner on a drive?

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This was always a concern for me with the OG-Mikal pairing.

OG has Oakley level skills at the 3 and Mikal isn't a guard like SF. Not enough to offset offensive stiffs like Hart and OG.

Offense is not going to be the issue. We have plenty of other things to be a successful offense. Our 124 points/100 possessions would have led league from last game. Our point scoring last year post OG was fine. And McBride/Mikal combo can most definerly replace Donte. KaT can easily replace Randle .

Defense and coming up with the best system to fit these players is the true key in the equation here.

It was Thibs defensive system that got destroyed by the Celts game 1.

3 out of 4 years when this D wasnt relying on Fournier and Kemba in drop coverage this D was excellent.

However my biggest wonder is: can Thibs successfully employ another type of defense BESIDES drop coverage if his personnel is better suited for something else?

[KnixinSix]

When Precious/Mitch return, we'll be battering most teams.

This could absolutely be true if Thibs makes the proper adjustments. I am leaning that he will. But his obstinence in relying too heavily in drop coverage in a lot of his base defensive structures worries me a bit.

[KnixinSix]

Will it still be panic mode and code red level of concern if/when we win tonight? Or will the sentiment go back to us being world beaters (you know, when we aren’t playing the WORLD CHAMPS)?

Spoiler:

On banner raising night.

What adjustments will be made because ironically the Pacers are probably yet another bad matchup for Thibs system if he doesn't adjust.

Thibs seems to be all about stopping in the paint scoring but if he doesn't have the right personell it creates a ton of open 3s for the other team.

[thebuzzardman]

Anybody concerned none of our starting wings can turn the corner on a drive?

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This was always a concern for me with the OG-Mikal pairing.

OG has Oakley level skills at the 3 and Mikal isn't a guard like SF. Not enough to offset offensive stiffs like Hart and OG.

Didn’t OG have a 30 point game in the second round of the actual playoffs in like 3 quarters?

He probably hit 15 mid range jumpers off one dribble each

[E-Balla]

I know its a small sample size alert but I don't know if I can ever get over Mitch absolutely sonning Allen in our playoff series. And on top of that he talked about how the lights were too bright. I mean that was in CLE...I don't exactly know how that translates playing with the Knicks where the lights are the brigthest.

Again not something I like the evaluate a player...want more statistics to back it up...but thats hard to get over.

You take Allen getting crushed by Mitch as a sign of how bad he is. I take it as a sign of how good Mitch is.

He averaged 17/14 against that tough ass Orlando squad too.

Certainly he's better than KAT given his contract and fit though.

Yeah he had a good series against ORL but that is a team I wouldn't be worried about physicality since ORL plays like WCjr/Wagner at center and they really aren't a threat.

Defensively yes...will get no argument. Offensively no.

And the goal would ideally be getting Mitch back healthy so he can replicate some of that defense and interior presence we are currently missing.

Offensively we were already elite. Y'all just think it looked ugly so you don't care.

[E-Balla]

Did people actually think others think R***** would never produce any more just because he's not on the Knicks? Hm...that's...interesting. Do those people also think him producing means something? Hm...even more...interesting.

Hey but D***...4-10/1-6...Deuce better?

We didn't trade Donte for Deuce we had both. What even is this post?

I didn't say it was a trade of Donte for Deuce....what even is this post?

What exactly was the point of saying Deuce better?

[stuporman]

We didn't trade Donte for Deuce we had both. What even is this post?

I didn't say it was a trade of Donte for Deuce....what even is this post?

What exactly was the point of saying Deuce better?

There's a question mark at the end...you know how those work, don't you? <- like that, it denotes a query to be considered or answered if one chooses.

The point would be me wondering if Deuce can be better in the role of gunner/shooter than Divo was. That isn't even considering how much better of a defender he is. Which even if he's 75% the scorer/shooter Divo is he's twice the defender so, hence, maybe better?

If you don't think he can be better, then just say it, you don't have to be confused with a simple question by acting stupid...unless it wasn't an act.