Scottie isn't going to be a #1 option superstar in this league

lobosloboslobos · Post #121 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Mon Jul 8, 2024 6:52 pm

OK I've had my two obstreperous posts in this thread and in the one about the press conference. I'll stop ragging until the end of the summer. it's too nice out to argue. raps in 4. or even 2024

Senbonzakura · Post #122 » by **Senbonzakura** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:17 am

Warned you man about this.

AbC? · Post #123 » by **AbC?** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:27 am

I don't understand how anyone who actually watches NBA basketball outside of the Raptors could think Barnes could be a #1 guy.

The threshold for superstardom is ridiculously high and he doesn't have the skill or physical dominance to ever get near those top tier guys. It's been clear for a while.

Senbonzakura · Post #124 » by **Senbonzakura** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:57 am

AbC? wrote:I don't understand how anyone who actually watches NBA basketball outside of the Raptors could think Barnes could be a #1 guy.

The threshold for superstardom is ridiculously high and he doesn't have the skill or physical dominance to ever get near those top tier guys. It's been clear for a while.

Yup he’s a really nice number 2/3 guy. But doesn’t have the skillset to lead a team.

Kingsway_fan · Post #125 » by **Kingsway_fan** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:10 am

First, you need to consistently be the best player on your team... at this point, it's rj..

mowcrowbar · Post #126 » by **mowcrowbar** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:10 am

Shocking revelation

Rapsalot · Post #127 » by **Rapsalot** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:37 am

2 questions #1 player vs first option?
SB will be our #1 player even though RJB will be first option because RJ is better on Offense while SB has a better all round game.
I will give example of the Heat James was best player but 2 of the 4 years DWade was a better scorer. Magic J only lead Lakers in scoring 3/13 years. Part of that was a too old Kareem.
Most often your best player is your best scorer but, not always the case.

mdenny · Post #128 » by **mdenny** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:08 pm

I will settle for a solid player who doesn't whine like a baby and put his teammates down in demonstrative manners during the game.

Fingers crossed.

Scizzup · Post #129 » by **Scizzup** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:20 pm

this is not news? The amount of players that could be the best offensive player on a contender (does not mean they win a ring) is very small lol. Looking around the league atm, the lower end of those type of player is probably healthy Dame/Zion.

Barnes will likely never be as good as Lowry on offense and Lowry was not a best offensive player on a contender level either. Tatum has gotten much better at playmaking that he is a great #1 now. No, Barnes will never be close to current Tatum on offense but that is fine.

Edit: Barnes defense is just as big of a hurdle. So far he has not been a good defender for an entire season. Some of his peers and guys he is older than have been. It's not even a team excuse because Garnett was already a much better defender at same age playing on worse teams while also being a better offensive player btw. if Barnes is never this great defender people project he is going to max at out 3rd best player on a contender anyways.

WaltFrazier · Post #130 » by **WaltFrazier** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:39 pm

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OakleyDokely · Post #131 » by **OakleyDokely** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:21 pm

This is the list of current NBA players who've won the title as a #1 option:

Lebron
Kawhi
Curry
KD
Giannis
Jokic
Tatum/Brown

That's it.

Other than Tatum/Brown, all those other guys are some of the greatest players of all-time.

Scottie not getting to this level shouldn't be considered a disappointment as it was completely unrealistic to begin with.

What he has to show is that he can be a key piece on a title team. He won't be able to do it alone and the Raps need to add more elite pieces around him.

Raptorfan2012 · Post #132 » by **Raptorfan2012** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:37 pm

#1 options are top 10 players in the league. I don't think Scottie is ever going to reach that - top 20 more likely. Most teams don't have that #1 option; again usually top 10 players are #1 options. IQ is more likely to be a no. 1 option based on offensive skills than Scottie.

And1+2 · Post #133 » by **And1+2** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:49 pm

Absolutely not.

Why is the poll so close?

REJECTEDBYCLARK · Post #134 » by **REJECTEDBYCLARK** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:12 pm

Raptorfan2012 wrote:#1 options are top 10 players in the league. I don't think Scottie is ever going to reach that - top 20 more likely. Most teams don't have that #1 option; again usually top 10 players are #1 options. IQ is more likely to be a no. 1 option based on offensive skills than Scottie.

yes there is a major difference once you get to the top of the ladder and this applies to basically any competitive sport

bluerap23 · Post #135 » by **bluerap23** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:20 pm

People think you need to be the #1 option on offence to be a top 10 NBA player? There are guys on the All-Time top 75 that were not #1 scorers. Not saying Scottie ascends to that height, only that you can absolutely be the best player on a great team without being the #1 scoring option. Now if we can pair him with an elite scorer, than we in good shape.

YogurtProducer · Post #136 » by **YogurtProducer** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:37 pm

This has been said for a while now. There is still hope it can be developed as the guy is young, but it is unlikely. How many guys go from not even being a #1 option in high school or college to being a #1 in NBA?

The guy is a super super role player. Capable of being your best player, but never to be relied on to score. He will be exposed hard if IQ and RJ are both out. That is fine, but it is just the reality.

___Rand___ · Post #137 » by **___Rand___** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 2:57 pm

Guys, STOP THIS KAWHI LEVEL-EXPECTATIONS NON-SENSE.

1) We're so friggin far off from competing for a chip, you're living in fantasy world if you think we're going to get there soon.
2) What will Scottie look like in 5 years is what's more interesting than "boohoohoo he isn't your prototypical #1 guy on a chip team". Jokic NEVER looked like the prototype UNTIL he won MVP and chip. Celtics won the chip with BROWN as the FMVP. I remember when they said Curry wasn't it. Until it happens, YOU DON'T KNOW JACK!

so, it does NOT matter if he's the best player on a championship winning team or not! As long as he's on that friggin team and that team is OURS!!!!!

kalel123 · Post #138 » by **kalel123** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:10 pm

This is a needless toxic BS that is missing the point entirely. The point isn't whether Scottie Barnes is a #1 option or not. It's that this team needs at least one more guy that is at or above his level and they need to complement each other. They also need more quality depth obviously. Until that happens, this team will continue to fail whether Barnes is a #1 option or super role player or whatever TF idiots label him. That's the crux of the crossroad this team is at and Ujiri hasn't set it up to succeed, which is why I'm not very optimistic with this core's chances. That's where the focus needs to lie.

ConSarnit · Post #139 » by **ConSarnit** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:46 pm

bluerap23 wrote:People think you need to be the #1 option on offence to be a top 10 NBA player? There are guys on the All-Time top 75 that were not #1 scorers. Not saying Scottie ascends to that height, only that you can absolutely be the best player on a great team without being the #1 scoring option. Now if we can pair him with an elite scorer, than we in good shape.

Who are the recent examples of top 10 NBA players who were not #1 options? Maybe AD, who is multiple levels above Barnes as a defensive player?

ConSarnit · Post #140 » by **ConSarnit** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:50 pm

kalel123 wrote:This is a needless toxic BS that is missing the point entirely. The point isn't whether Scottie Barnes is a #1 option or not. It's that this team needs at least one more guy that is at or above his level and they need to complement each other. They also need more quality depth obviously. Until that happens, this team will continue to fail whether Barnes is a #1 option or super role player or whatever TF idiots label him. That's the crux of the crossroad this team is at and Ujiri hasn't set it up to succeed, which is why I'm not very optimistic with this core's chances. That's where the focus needs to lie.

Setting it up not to succeed might be a feature, not a bug. We need high end talent. The best way to get that is through the draft. Trading is possible but exorbitantly costly. Free agency is not an option.

Do you think Scottie Barnes can be the best player on a championship team?