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Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m.

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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#121 » by Araxen » Fri Oct 25, 2024 4:59 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

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I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#122 » by jscott » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:27 pm

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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#123 » by MN7725 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:17 pm

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Worm Guts wrote:I'm not sure how much room there is for Dillingham in the rotation unless Conley is resting or hurt. They could get Minott and/or Garza in there.


A forgotten part of the Randle trade is how it affects Rob. Before the trade we were going to need Rob because he's the only other one on the team who could honestly break down a defense, get them rotating and create. Randle can do it, even if hes inefficient at times. With Randle they can let Rob get stronger and grasp the offense and defense before throwing him out. I think he'll end up playing real minutes but I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't happen for the first couple months. Then as this year gets long they can rest Mike more.


I do wonder if Wolves would have done the trade for Rob had they known the KAT trade would happen

I think so because they are still lacking in "bucket getters" relative to most teams, and Rob projects to be that whatever his other weaknesses
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#124 » by winforlose » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:17 pm

Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

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I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


TSJ isn’t ready until he has confidence is his 3. We don’t need him shooting above 34-36% from the corners, but he must take them. Otherwise we are back in Kyle Anderson territory.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#125 » by MN7725 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:24 pm

Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

Sent from my SM-G991B using RealGM mobile app

I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


last season essentially no unproven player got non-garage playing time
TJ Warren off the street got minutes instead for example

I think Garza will get non-garage minutes, probably when big foul trouble happens

I wouldn't be surprised if Dozier plays non-garbage before Miller/Minott/TSJ
he's 28, why keep him on roster unless he can contribute
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#126 » by winforlose » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:29 pm

MN7725 wrote:
Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


last season essentially no unproven player got non-garage playing time
TJ Warren off the street got minutes instead for example

I think Garza will get non-garage minutes, probably when big foul trouble happens

I wouldn't be surprised if Dozier plays non-garbage before Miller/Minott/TSJ
he's 28, why keep him on roster unless he can contribute


He was kept because TC wants him on the roster. But notice in the preseason he barely played.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#127 » by MN7725 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:34 pm

winforlose wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
Araxen wrote:
TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


last season essentially no unproven player got non-garage playing time
TJ Warren off the street got minutes instead for example

I think Garza will get non-garage minutes, probably when big foul trouble happens

I wouldn't be surprised if Dozier plays non-garbage before Miller/Minott/TSJ
he's 28, why keep him on roster unless he can contribute


He was kept because TC wants him on the roster. But notice in the preseason he barely played.


thats true, and you are probably correct

but again, using the TJ Warren example, I'm not going to be surprised if Dozier is playing ahead of others since he has ~2000 NBA minutes

I'd predict Minott though
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#128 » by Devilzsidewalk » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:39 pm

Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

Sent from my SM-G991B using RealGM mobile app

I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


I felt that way in summer league, but preseason looked like the step up in competition got to him. He doesn't reposition off ball, and he doesn't really show any change of direction on the ball - strictly limited to blow bys. So if you put a defender on him that isn't going to be overwhelmed by his athleticism (probably pretty common at the NBA level), then I'm not sure what he brings to the table.

He needs to either demonstrate more versatility and creativity on offense, or be content to wait for injuries or till next season, because as of right now, I don't know why he'd ever play over anybody in the 8 man rotation. Maybe if he goes crazy in practice, he puts himself in contention for those 9th man run-off minutes with Jingles, Minott, and Dillingham.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#129 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 25, 2024 7:47 pm

I think we'll see the new guys get sprinkled in over the next few weeks, so everyone will be able to calm down.

Starting one week from today, we will play 9 games in a 15-day span. This includes three sets of back-to-backs. I believe it's already been said that Conley won't play both halves of B2Bs and I wouldn't be surprised if Ingles doesn't either. Suddenly, there's 30 mpg available in those games. I'm guessing Dillingham and Minott would be first in line for those minutes, as I've said since preseason.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#130 » by jpatrick » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:09 pm

Devilzsidewalk wrote:
Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


I felt that way in summer league, but preseason looked like the step up in competition got to him. He doesn't reposition off ball, and he doesn't really show any change of direction on the ball - strictly limited to blow bys. So if you put a defender on him that isn't going to be overwhelmed by his athleticism (probably pretty common at the NBA level), then I'm not sure what he brings to the table.

He needs to either demonstrate more versatility and creativity on offense, or be content to wait for injuries or till next season, because as of right now, I don't know why he'd ever play over anybody in the 8 man rotation. Maybe if he goes crazy in practice, he puts himself in contention for those 9th man run-off minutes with Jingles, Minott, and Dillingham.


I don’t see TSJ getting minutes. He’s an athletic wing. But he doesn’t space the floor. He’s useful but he’s not as good as someone like Minott, who is bigger, younger, and better shooter (I think). And both play the same role. I, honestly, didn’t understand the pick. I don’t really see him as good enough to fill a small role now, and he’s already in his mid-20s. I don’t see the upside.

I do think Minott will slowly usurp the Ingles minutes. I also think Dilly will get regular minutes on Conley’s rest days. TSJ only gets in if there are injuries. Might take multiple injuries.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#131 » by wolves_89 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:26 pm

Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

Sent from my SM-G991B using RealGM mobile app

I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


I'd bet on Shannon playing a lot of G-League minutes for the next few months along with Miller. Even Dillingham is probably going to get some games in Iowa, though I don't expect him to be there for long stretches.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#132 » by Klomp » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:57 pm

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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#133 » by Dewey » Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:38 pm

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Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.


I'd bet on Shannon playing a lot of G-League minutes for the next few months along with Miller. Even Dillingham is probably going to get some games in Iowa, though I don't expect him to be there for long stretches.

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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#134 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Fri Oct 25, 2024 11:43 pm

We will have back to back soon. I think we may see bit of RD and Minott at this time. Let's see.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#135 » by Loaf_of_bread » Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:09 am

Araxen wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:Tough win in the end.
Hopefully Finch can figure out the lineups soon.
Don't like the rookies sitting on the pine though

Sent from my SM-G991B using RealGM mobile app

I don't get Finch showing zero faith in the young players.


TSJ should be at least getting a few minutes. He's the most NBA ready of the two rookies we have. With that said, Minott has gotten zero minutes as well, and he played great in pre-season. I suspect we'll be seeing a ton of Minott by the end of the season.

Both of those guys are garbage time unless we have injuries.
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Re: Game 2: Wolves at Kings, 9 p.m. 

Post#136 » by dschroeder01 » Sat Oct 26, 2024 5:05 pm

I'm surprised with how many posts there are referencing the minutes guys should be getting. The Wolves have 7 guys who would start for a lot of teams. NAW would start for some as well. That's 8 legit players of guys who would play at least high 20s minutes.

Where are the minutes supposed to come from? Ingles sure, but he's played 12 minutes total in 2 games. Conley? He hasn't played well yet, but you don't drop a 15+ year vets minutes drastically after a game or two.

Ant has played a ton, but a lot of those are Jaden's minutes that were diminished by foul trouble in game 1. NAW has been our most steady player and is averaging only 23.5 minutes. We've been playing from behind trying to win.

Yes, I probably would have tried Minott for a little energy in game 1, but Ingles is playing because of his familiarity with Rudy and Mike. Finch is trying to generate some offensive synergy so I get why Joe is getting the token 9th guy minutes. Those could go to Minott eventually, but do we really think that Minott is a better player than NAW or anyone else in the top 8? If you're in a close game and can put in a Naz or NAW on pace for 28 minutes vs. Minott, what's the choice there? It's not like the clearly better player is tired.

My main point is that the Wolves are a deep team in a way that doesn't lend itself a big rotation. We're not the average team where the likes of a Obi Toppin are getting 20 minutes off the bench. Those are the kind of guys that a Minott should and would get a look over. NAW is our 8th guy and he'd play 28-30 minutes as a 6th man for lots of teams. He's WAY better than guys like Gary Harris or a Pat Connaughton. I wouldn't expect to see Dillingham and Shannon much at all unless there are injuries or it becomes clear that age has caught Conley.

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