OT: USA 2024 Elections Thread Part # 2 (November 5th is Election Day!)

[robillionaire]

Imagine voting for someone endorsed by the KKK lol

I had to look this up. Jesus christ.

Putin has won. I'm voting Harris tomorrow and preparing myself mentally for the worst because I don't think the views expressed on here regarding Stein are in a vacuum.

Not just her, I'm including Trump in that list, he was endorsed by them the last 2 elections

I can say I've never voted for someone endorsed by the KKK. Trump and Stein voters cannot say the same.

Eh, the whole “endorsed by” thing is easily abused, people still try to say Putin is endorsing Harris with a straight face. There are a lot of other valid reasons to not support these people though besides just that.

[Luv those Knicks]

We can’t go to war against Iran without congressional authorization, right?

The Muslim countries in the region are now pulling together. Their people are outraged and it’s beginning to boil over. They are getting financial and military support from China and Russia. BRICS is getting stronger while Turkey is considering leaving NATO. The cards are being dealt and our hand isn’t looking so good. We’re going to get into another protracted war in the Middle East.

War requires congressional approval, but military action / police action does not. I think there's a rule, more than 60 days needs congress, but a military action can be less than that, or 2 separate actions. There are ways around congressional approval.

Our involvement in the Ukraine for example, was never voted for in congress. It was eventually funded in congress and the US is just sending weapons, maybe some people for training.

When Obama got rid of Gadafi, I don't believe that was voted for in congress, but when Russia went into Syria, Obama did ask congress to vote on that. He could have gone in, and we already have some troops in Syria, but he let congress decide. Congress decided no.

Hillary would probably have been more aggressive on Syria had she won. Trump was basically a doormat for Putin, and I'm not saying Hillary would have been better, I'm just talking decisions, not outcomes.

USA will still win, imho. But it will come at a great cost, even for the US. These ME countries, sadly, are used to losing lives in the hundred thousands and millions. And the west deems all those lives as disposable.

America can't stomach thousands of lives, so I'm not sure what their end game here is. If Afghanistan took 20 years + 2 trillion dollars, I don't think a war with Iran will be any better.

Hell, we won't even be able to stomach 5 bucks a gallon for gas. And that's being generous if we go to war with Iran.

The U.S. will never put troops on the ground in Iran. I don't think that the American people will stomach that. That's a suicide mission. Remember the lessons of Vietnam. The VC lost 1.5 million and we "only" lost about 55,000. Many years after that war, Robert McNamara (Sec. of State) met with the lead general of the VC and they spoke. He told McNamara that the U.S. never understood that they were fighting for their land and would've fought to the last man. So, I think we'll get our ass kicked just like we have in all other wars we've fought over the last couple of decades.

Vietnam was jungle and had Russian support and the US effort was somewhat limited.

Iran is desert. Desert is much easier than Jungle. The US could cut through Iran like butter, but winning the war isn't the hard part. The hard part is what to do afterwards. Wining the peace or managing a conquered nation is a lot harder.

Now, if China decided to get into Iran and offer their support, that would be harder, but just against Iran - the US wins. Even against China, the US wins, but the cost would be much higher.

That said, I don't see any point to the US conquering Iran. Nothing would be gained? The control of the state, long term and managing a US lead government would be problematic to impossible. There's no reason for the US to do that short of Iran trying to nuke the US or one of our close allies.

[Luv those Knicks]

F*ck Bill Maher.

I used to like him, but he repeats himself so much now it's tiring, and his anti-woke crusade is overdone and flat out annoying.

So . . . yes. F*ck him. I concur.

[robillionaire]

I’m just gonna say that if you were supporting tulsi Gabbard at any point and have had no reflection or admission of being hoodwinked about that or if you gassed up RFK at any point and you’re now saying don’t vote for Harris I likely am not going to fully trust the motive behind anything the person is saying. Many such cases

I say this as someone who voted for Stein in 2016, the worst F up of my entire life, even though it was in NYC and didn’t matter. But my words mattered. There’s no do-over this time. There will be no 5% in a Putin style autocracy, there’s no “next cycle”

[KnicksGadfly]

The U.S. will never put troops on the ground in Iran. I don't think that the American people will stomach that. That's a suicide mission. Remember the lessons of Vietnam. The VC lost 1.5 million and we "only" lost about 55,000. Many years after that war, Robert McNamara (Sec. of State) met with the lead general of the VC and they spoke. He told McNamara that the U.S. never understood that they were fighting for their land and would've fought to the last man. So, I think we'll get our ass kicked just like we have in all other wars we've fought over the last couple of decades.

There’s a very higher chance of a war with Iran with Trump at the helm than there is with Harris. And what makes you think Trump wouldn’t send troops or use nukes on Iran? I don’t think you understand the danger of someone with zero impulse control, surrounded by other people with zero impulse country with the biggest military arsenal in the world. At that points there’s literally nothing Congress could do to stop a dictator.

There was the U.S. had a path to deescalations with the Iran deal because of Obama and you guys voted in Trump who ripped it up. This is part of what has led to where things are now.

Trust me, I do understand all of the issues involved.

Why can’t Harris - or Walz, for that matter - just simply publicly distance themselves from Biden on Israel?

I’m going wait this out to the end.

I think your bigger beef might be with the electorate tbh. Right or wrong, I don’t see a scenario where she does what you want and she wins because her coalition is that diverse.

[MrDollarBills]

I’m just gonna say that if you were supporting tulsi Gabbard at any point and have had no reflection or admission of being hoodwinked about that or if you gassed up RFK at any point and you’re now saying don’t vote for Harris I likely am not going to fully trust the motive behind anything the person is saying. Many such cases

I say this as someone who voted for Stein in 2016, the worst F up of my entire life, even though it was in NYC and didn’t matter. But my words mattered. There’s no do-over this time. There will be no 5% in a Putin style autocracy, there’s no “next cycle”

Tulsi has been a Putin stooge for years.

I'll never forget when Hillary said that there are also politicians on the Democrats side that pushes Russian disinfo and she (Tulsi) lashed out at Hillary.

Mind you, Clinton never said her name.

[stuporman]

I'm amazed that pronouns or diversity and equal rights are the biggest threats to civilization, according to some...amazed is the polite word in light of other things going on.

[MrDollarBills]

I had to look this up. Jesus christ.

Putin has won. I'm voting Harris tomorrow and preparing myself mentally for the worst because I don't think the views expressed on here regarding Stein are in a vacuum.

Not just her, I'm including Trump in that list, he was endorsed by them the last 2 elections

I can say I've never voted for someone endorsed by the KKK. Trump and Stein voters cannot say the same.

Eh, the whole “endorsed by” thing is easily abused, people still try to say Putin is endorsing Harris with a straight face. There are a lot of other valid reasons to not support these people though besides just that.

Fair point. However, when it comes to white supremacists and their endorsements, it's worth noting. What do they see in her?

Probably not worth thinking about

[MrDollarBills]

Fact: Harris has been asked about the issue many times. Her canned response mimics Biden's position, to wit, (1) Israel has a right to defend itself, (2) we need a ceasefire, (3) aid needs to get to the Palestinians, and (4) we need a two-state solution. That's it. So, yeah, she's put her position on record.

Don't forget, they cancelled a Palestinian speaker for the DNC, who was going to endorse Kamala. Just odd, you do that to a Muslim, implying that you don't care about their vote (which is fine in all honestly). Then expect Muslims to still support you 100% (which is not ok).

I remember this, and I agree, it was not okay. Nor was silencing Tlaib for being outspoken.

Believe me, I am not some DNC shill. I recognize that there's a lot of suck in the party. But I don't have a choice. Like literally, there is no other option. Trump getting back into office is a non starter.

[Clyde_Style]

The Russians play the long game

They began cultivating Trump in the 80s. Their intel saw him as a wild card asset in the future. Once he announced his candidacy in 2015 his operations were swarming with Russians and his campaign manager Paul Manafort was a direct Russian asset who had been the campaign manager who backed Russia's candidate for the presidency of Ukraine.

You have to be really naive if you think Jill Stein giving a speech in Moscow against state aggression by state powers like Russian and the U.S. absolves her of any connection to Putin.

Are you kidding me? That's the speech you give to fool people like you guys here so that later when she pushes Russia's messaging about Ukraine you think she's still an anti-imperialist because she opposes the war on Palestine.

You guys are gullible and have been for years. You still haven't looked in the mirror to see how easily you're manipulated by double speak, the Orwellian crap the Kremlin has planted in your brains for a decade using social media.

Trump is their Manchurian Candidate and Stein is their Helen of Troy. And here you guys are throwing away our democracy out of spite for a Russian stooge. You're suckers and fools

I agree. But I changed, hopefully some other people did

Bless you man. It's hard to change, but this is the endgame we're facing right now and there is no coming back from a Trump presidency, so thank you for considering it fully.

[robillionaire]

Not just her, I'm including Trump in that list, he was endorsed by them the last 2 elections

I can say I've never voted for someone endorsed by the KKK. Trump and Stein voters cannot say the same.

Eh, the whole “endorsed by” thing is easily abused, people still try to say Putin is endorsing Harris with a straight face. There are a lot of other valid reasons to not support these people though besides just that.

Fair point. However, when it comes to white supremacists and their endorsements, it's worth noting. What do they see in her?

Probably not worth thinking about

I’d dig into it a little more to find out who the endorser is and what’s behind it but the Knicks play in 15 minutes and I’d rather not spend that 15 minutes defending a Putin backed grifter who is collaborating to install fascism so let’s just go with it

[DOT]

Not just her, I'm including Trump in that list, he was endorsed by them the last 2 elections

I can say I've never voted for someone endorsed by the KKK. Trump and Stein voters cannot say the same.

Eh, the whole “endorsed by” thing is easily abused, people still try to say Putin is endorsing Harris with a straight face. There are a lot of other valid reasons to not support these people though besides just that.

Fair point. However, when it comes to white supremacists and their endorsements, it's worth noting. What do they see in her?

Probably not worth thinking about

I mean, her campaign said it out loud

They don't want to win, they just want to siphon Kamala votes

I'll be honest though, 3rd party votes don't really matter because most of them wouldn't've voted for either party anyways. And people always bring up 2016, but even if 90% of Stein voters went to Hillary, she still would've lost, plus like I said, you're not factoring in potential 3rd party voters who did switch

Exception being 1992 when Ross Perot got 19% of the vote and turnout was near enough 1988 and 1996 we can say he definitely siphoned likely voters. Other than that, I don't think it really changes enough. Like, the people voting Stein today would most all not vote Kamala if Stein wasn't on the ballot.

[MrDollarBills]

Eh, the whole “endorsed by” thing is easily abused, people still try to say Putin is endorsing Harris with a straight face. There are a lot of other valid reasons to not support these people though besides just that.

Fair point. However, when it comes to white supremacists and their endorsements, it's worth noting. What do they see in her?

Probably not worth thinking about

I mean, her campaign said it out loud

They don't want to win, they just want to siphon Kamala votes

I'll be honest though, 3rd party votes don't really matter because most of them wouldn't've voted for either party anyways. And people always bring up 2016, but even if 90% of Stein voters went to Hillary, she still would've lost, plus like I said, you're not factoring in potential 3rd party voters who did switch

Exception being 1992 when Ross Perot got 19% of the vote and turnout was near enough 1988 and 1996 we can say he definitely siphoned likely voters. Other than that, I don't think it really changes enough. Like, the people voting Stein today would most all not vote Kamala if Stein wasn't on the ballot.

Wait. Her campaign admitted this?

I mean if true that's basically saying "I work for Putin and Trump".

[Clyde_Style]

And I'm crying in my coffee now (laughter or sadness, not sure) over the notion that a vote for Stein is pro-Muslim and Harris is anti-Muslim.

Yeah, helping Trump get elected is really great for Muslims, right?

The man whose very first action as POTUS was imposing a Muslim ban at the airports that created instant chaos and discord.

Stein is the choice for Muslims! Unreal

I think when this is election is said and done we’ll see that TikTok had the same effect as Facebook had where foreign agents manipulated the Americans to act against their best interests. I don’t doubt the sadness and anger is real however social media has people willing to throw away their rights and the rights of their neighbours to make the conflict in the Middle East worse.

Even if Harris wins Putin, Xi and a bunch of hostile foreign countries have won. Americans are divided and they have a successful recipe to manipulate large numbers of Americans to pretty much bring down their country from the inside.

Yes, this is the vector we're on. TikTok has and will destroy more minds and it was more insidious this cycle like FB was in prior ones. Anyone who makes their choices from those content sources is easily manipulable and lacking in critical thinking skills. We're probably 1 or 2 more generations away from the overwhelming majority of Americans become herdable sheep led to slaughter. But I could be wrong and we're already there. It is sad.

People claim to be principled, yet their willingness to abstract their virtue to the point it will lead to the eradication of their own rights is horrifying, but here we are in this thread with people willing to sacrifice their freedom to vote for a third party candidate in a swing state. The symbolic gestures of the left are tragic in both their lack of effect and their disregard for actual consequences. Anger at the binary nature of our system has been exploited by Russian stooges like Jill Stein. It's absurd, yet truly dangerous. She's a viper and they suckle at her bosom.

[MrDollarBills]

I just saw that Trump on his social media platform threatened to prosecute, among other people, Donors to the Democratic party.

Sounds normal and totally worth throwing our country away for fellas.

[Clyde_Style]

F*ck Bill Maher.

I used to like him, but he repeats himself so much now it's tiring, and his anti-woke crusade is overdone and flat out annoying.

So . . . yes. F*ck him. I concur.

Bill Maher hasn't been relevant for 15 years. He's a hack

[Clyde_Style]

I just saw that Trump on his social media platform threatened to prosecute, among other people, Donors to the Democratic party.

Sounds normal and totally worth throwing our country away for fellas.

Trump has fully embraced his inner Lecter. The murder vibe is strong. Many will die under his authoritarian regime, either by slowly rotting away in a cell without a trial or by outright militia slaughter tribunals. ICE will have full authorization to use lethal force under any circumstance and they will kill people of Mexican and South American descent without any repercussions.

[Stannis]

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[MrDollarBills]

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Bibi is desperate

[RHODEY]

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Fck creepy ass Bill Maher. ZioNazi.

F*ck Bill Maher.

Yeah F*ck the truth!