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[KnicksGadfly]

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Heh, game winner against Portland ...... Portland. These aren't the same. Good for BI, he had a much better 2nd half, but he still can't play off Zion.

he's hit other game winners in the past against better teams.

here's a big one against boston. this one he hit came off a pass from zion.

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right now ingram is 80-69 with zion. there's really no proof that supports your argument lol

I feel the biggest proof is usually in the contracts. When teams believe that guys can play off other guys, which usually means they can space the floor and defend and play off ball and provide value to a better first option, they scramble to find ways to get them or get good trade value for them. In the past offseason, the Knicks gave up a whole lot for Mikal, and Philly basically gutted their team and maxed out an old Paul George. NOP, tellingly, chose to extend Trey Murphy while leaving Ingram hanging. I'd even argue that the KAT trade was also looking for someone to play off Brunson. I wanna throw OG in there, too.

Anyway, 80/149 = 53% win percentage. That's probably not what NOP wants long-term, and I'd argue that NOP's supporting staff, while not the best because they're missing a center, isn't awful either. The question for them to answer, imo, is whether Zion is really the guy to pick over Ingram. I think Ingram has ability to do damage when he has the ball. There are flaws with Zion, too.

[3toheadmelo]

Heh, game winner against Portland ...... Portland. These aren't the same. Good for BI, he had a much better 2nd half, but he still can't play off Zion.

he's hit other game winners in the past against better teams.

here's a big one against boston. this one he hit came off a pass from zion.

Watch on YouTube

right now ingram is 80-69 with zion. there's really no proof that supports your argument lol

I feel the biggest proof is usually in the contracts. When teams believe that guys can play off other guys, which usually means they can space the floor and defend and play off ball and provide value to a better first option, they scramble to find ways to get them or get good trade value for them. In the past offseason, the Knicks gave up a whole lot for Mikal, and Philly basically gutted their team and maxed out an old Paul George. NOP, tellingly, chose to extend Trey Murphy while leaving Ingram hanging. I'd even argue that the KAT trade was also looking for someone to play off Brunson. I wanna throw OG in there, too.

Anyway, 80/149 = 53% win percentage. That's probably not what NOP wants long-term, and I'd argue that NOP's supporting staff, while not the best because they're missing a center, isn't awful either. The question for them to answer, imo, is whether Zion is really the guy to pick over Ingram. I think Ingram has ability to do damage when he has the ball. There are flaws with Zion, too.

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

he's hit other game winners in the past against better teams.

here's a big one against boston. this one he hit came off a pass from zion.

Watch on YouTube

right now ingram is 80-69 with zion. there's really no proof that supports your argument lol

I feel the biggest proof is usually in the contracts. When teams believe that guys can play off other guys, which usually means they can space the floor and defend and play off ball and provide value to a better first option, they scramble to find ways to get them or get good trade value for them. In the past offseason, the Knicks gave up a whole lot for Mikal, and Philly basically gutted their team and maxed out an old Paul George. NOP, tellingly, chose to extend Trey Murphy while leaving Ingram hanging. I'd even argue that the KAT trade was also looking for someone to play off Brunson. I wanna throw OG in there, too.

Anyway, 80/149 = 53% win percentage. That's probably not what NOP wants long-term, and I'd argue that NOP's supporting staff, while not the best because they're missing a center, isn't awful either. The question for them to answer, imo, is whether Zion is really the guy to pick over Ingram. I think Ingram has ability to do damage when he has the ball. There are flaws with Zion, too.

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

[TheGreenArrow]

I feel the biggest proof is usually in the contracts. When teams believe that guys can play off other guys, which usually means they can space the floor and defend and play off ball and provide value to a better first option, they scramble to find ways to get them or get good trade value for them. In the past offseason, the Knicks gave up a whole lot for Mikal, and Philly basically gutted their team and maxed out an old Paul George. NOP, tellingly, chose to extend Trey Murphy while leaving Ingram hanging. I'd even argue that the KAT trade was also looking for someone to play off Brunson. I wanna throw OG in there, too.

Anyway, 80/149 = 53% win percentage. That's probably not what NOP wants long-term, and I'd argue that NOP's supporting staff, while not the best because they're missing a center, isn't awful either. The question for them to answer, imo, is whether Zion is really the guy to pick over Ingram. I think Ingram has ability to do damage when he has the ball. There are flaws with Zion, too.

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

You can run……………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BUT YOU CANT HIDEEEEEE NODOPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

You can run……………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BUT YOU CANT HIDEEEEEE NODOPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are LaMelos playoff averages, cool.


Are you still asking to get the Mikal thread locked because of how much you embarrassed yourself? Sad day for the Greenie fans out there to see you break character.

[TheGreenArrow]

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

You can run……………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BUT YOU CANT HIDEEEEEE NODOPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are LaMelos playoff averages, cool.


Are you still asking to get the Mikal thread locked because of how much you embarrassed yourself? Sad day for the Greenie fans out there to see you break character.

Doubted mikal???!!!!!!!!!!!

that's blasphemous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was the one that was telling you guys to relax and have faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never once did I doubt mikal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be better Nodope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

You can run……………..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BUT YOU CANT HIDEEEEEE NODOPEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are LaMelos playoff averages, cool.


Are you still asking to get the Mikal thread locked because of how much you embarrassed yourself? Sad day for the Greenie fans out there to see you break character.

Doubted mikal???!!!!!!!!!!!

that's blasphemous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was the one that was telling you guys to relax and have faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Never once did I doubt mikal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be better Nodope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BE BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd respect it more if you stood ten toes down or doubled down, but bold face lying isn't what superheroes do, you should hang up the mask. You're no green arrow, Oliver Queen would be ashamed of you, sad.

[3toheadmelo]

I feel the biggest proof is usually in the contracts. When teams believe that guys can play off other guys, which usually means they can space the floor and defend and play off ball and provide value to a better first option, they scramble to find ways to get them or get good trade value for them. In the past offseason, the Knicks gave up a whole lot for Mikal, and Philly basically gutted their team and maxed out an old Paul George. NOP, tellingly, chose to extend Trey Murphy while leaving Ingram hanging. I'd even argue that the KAT trade was also looking for someone to play off Brunson. I wanna throw OG in there, too.

Anyway, 80/149 = 53% win percentage. That's probably not what NOP wants long-term, and I'd argue that NOP's supporting staff, while not the best because they're missing a center, isn't awful either. The question for them to answer, imo, is whether Zion is really the guy to pick over Ingram. I think Ingram has ability to do damage when he has the ball. There are flaws with Zion, too.

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

He literally averaged 27 PPG with Ingram a couple years ago. Pelicans aren't a winning team if Zion is the main one who's dominating the ball. He has no jumper and can't play off the ball. They're a better team when Zion isn't the #1 option.

[stuporman]

Also seeing Ant launch 14 threes a game feels strange. I don't know how much of that is by design or him adjusting to a life without KAT or something else. I know he worked on his long range shooting and was taking a ton of threes in the preseason with and without Randle on the court but I hope one of the most athletic and dynamic players in the game doesn't just become another 3 point chucker.

I'm very confident that it's by design. And I think it's smart too. Only a two game sample, but Edwards' 3-point percentage is currently identical to what it was last season, and he's nearly doubled his volume (from 9.5 per 100 to 17.0 per 100).

A big talking here over the offseason is that it's a bad thing that we were third in the NBA last season in 3-point percentage, because it meant we didn't shoot enough of them. I think they have been pleading with guys to shoot more 3s. Heck, I think it might have even factored into the trade. Towns tends to be gun-shy at times, almost in a way to protect his percentages. Meanwhile, Randle shoots 3s at a similar rate as Towns, and DiVincenzo had one of the highest rates in the league.

He shot 31.1 3P% last season. I don’t know where you take that from, but I wouldn’t say you’re making a good point considering it’s a one game sample-size.

rate vs percentage

how many vs how efficiently

[stuporman]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

[3toheadmelo]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

[stuporman]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

[ScienceOfLosing]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Fair point but not indicative of being wrong in general.
We all get things wrong, at times.

[stuporman]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Fair point but not indicative of being wrong in general.
We all get things wrong, at times.

This is the ever present danger of melostan propaganda

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Isn't that what the Timberwolves just did with KAT and Naz Reid while coming off an WCF appearance? Not exactly a ringing endorsement for KAT there.

I don't really see a fit issue with Zion and Ingram. They've shown they can win together. It's the players around them. Doesn't make sense to have CJ and Dejounte around them.

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

He literally averaged 27 PPG with Ingram a couple years ago. Pelicans aren't a winning team if Zion is the main one who's dominating the ball. He has no jumper and can't play off the ball. They're a better team when Zion isn't the #1 option.

So, Zion's best scoring year was the only year he averaged more total touches per game than Ingram? You can't say Zion has the ball more than Ingram, the numbers quite literally say Ingram touches the ball more than him in the frontcourt, in time of possession, even down to dribbling the ball more. The only season Zion had more total touches was in 2020-2021 and even then he had the ball less in the front court. Ingram quite literally cannot play off the ball, I'm not even sure what team would maximize him. Zion being on the ball makes sense if he can't shoot, you put shooters around him and let him create more, which is what their plan was with Herb and Trey. If Ingram has the ball what use is Zion if he can't shoot?

I couldn't imagine drafting a guy 1, seeing him score 27ppg on just 34 touches in the frontcourt, then looking over and seeing a guy have 40 front court touches for 23.8ppg and being like "Yeah, that works, we need more of that" no, you get rid of the dude that has the ball more than the more efficient player and you start giving that guy those touches.

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[stuporman]

Scratch and sniff?

[3toheadmelo]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Quote me seriously saying that and not as an ironic taunt or it's just more propaganda from the pantaloons flambé district of melostan.

I literally coined the word nObi during his draft...

Post#606 » by stuporman » Sun Oct 8, 2023 11:58 pm

Obi gonna blossom away from NY and fans gonna be salty but I didn't even want the Knicks to take him though I supported him while he wore the jersey.

[3toheadmelo]

So someone wants the Knicks to get BI? They really do hate the people on this forum, huh.

You're the same guy that said Obi was gonna blossom when he leaves NY

Fair point but not indicative of being wrong in general.
We all get things wrong, at times.

I just find it funny when dude tryna talk bad about my opinion when his takes are garbage in general

[3toheadmelo]

CJ most likely would be coming off the bench if Trey/Dejounte were healthy. There is a fit issue with Zion, he has the ball more than Zion because he can't play off it. Last game he had 75 touches to Zions 63, there's no way he should have the ball more but since he's basically incapable of playing off it that's what happens. Zion is a 27/7/5 player when Ingram is out, they clearly want the ball to be in Zions hands a lot more.

They came to the realization that Zion or an actual PG should have the ball the most, not a wing that dominates the ball.

He literally averaged 27 PPG with Ingram a couple years ago. Pelicans aren't a winning team if Zion is the main one who's dominating the ball. He has no jumper and can't play off the ball. They're a better team when Zion isn't the #1 option.

So, Zion's best scoring year was the only year he averaged more total touches per game than Ingram? You can't say Zion has the ball more than Ingram, the numbers quite literally say Ingram touches the ball more than him in the frontcourt, in time of possession, even down to dribbling the ball more. The only season Zion had more total touches was in 2020-2021 and even then he had the ball less in the front court. Ingram quite literally cannot play off the ball, I'm not even sure what team would maximize him. Zion being on the ball makes sense if he can't shoot, you put shooters around him and let him create more, which is what their plan was with Herb and Trey. If Ingram has the ball what use is Zion if he can't shoot?

I couldn't imagine drafting a guy 1, seeing him score 27ppg on just 34 touches in the frontcourt, then looking over and seeing a guy have 40 front court touches for 23.8ppg and being like "Yeah, that works, we need more of that" no, you get rid of the dude that has the ball more than the more efficient player and you start giving that guy those touches.

Zion's numbers were up that year but it didn't impact winning. They went 31-41 and finished 11th in the conference. The Pelicans realized that and that's why they reduced his role since then and they've made the playoffs twice. They were never good with Zion being the main hub.