OT: USA 2024 Elections Thread Part # 2 (November 5th is Election Day!)

[HarthorneWingo]

Fck creepy ass Bill Maher. ZioNazi.

F*ck Bill Maher.

Yeah F*ck the truth!

You like creepy ass Bill Maher?

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[RHODEY]

F*ck Bill Maher.

Yeah F*ck the truth!

You like creepy ass Bill Maher?

Watch on YouTube

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Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

[Luv those Knicks]

Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

You posted the video replying to me saying "I don't know why she's not more popular" . . . . I wasn't really wanting to watch a 9 minute Bill Maher video, but now that I have some time, I'll give it a listen.

I started to dislike Bill Maher years ago when he didn't understand simple things, such as Isis and Al Qaeda didn't always agree and sometimes even fought each other, he seemed to think it was just 2 sides, US and them, and you can't understand policy if you don't understand the conflicts as they are.

Now he goes on his anti-woke, pro free speech crusade every episode, and I'm so tired of it I can't watch. There also seems to be less intelligent debate and more gotcha politics, even among his guests. I used to feel that sometimes, you'd get someone intelligent with something worth listening to on his show, but that happens far less often.

I was a fan. I used to like his show, but I can't watch it anymore. So . . . that's just explaining my initial resistance to your video.

But you didn't want to talk about Bill Maher, you wanted to talk about Kamala's popularity or lack there of, so out of respect for that, I'll give it a watch, but it's hard to not talk about Bill Maher when it's his video, so that'll come up too.

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Practically the first thing Bill Maher says is wrong. "Kamala Harris, will get all of Biden's campaign money" - is Maher not aware that donations increased when Biden dropped out. Kamala is a fundraising wizard. Maher makes it sound like she's running on Biden's money which is misleading. It took all of 11 seconds for Maher to piss me off with his inaccuracy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/09/politics/harris-billion-fundraising-election/index.html

other than that, the video is all over the place.

Yes, inflation makes Biden/Kamala look bad, but it wasn't their fault. The end of covid and the economy mostly makes it's own rules. Inflation is also getting under control. It's more of an image problem than a policy error.

I also don't think inflation is why Kamala is unpopular. It might be part of why Biden is unpopular.

As for the Border, OK, again, more of an image problem because the democrats have taken action on the border, it was Trump who urged republicans to block action. But, OK, the border makes Kamala look bad.

The guy who does the video makes some valid points. He's not bad. He's right that Kamala was kind of shoved down our throats, but that was a timing issue. Biden dropped out of the race too late and Kamala had little choice but to pick up the fumbled football and try to run with it. The democratic party backed her and at that point, it was done. It was after the primaries. This is what happens when a candidate drops out after the primaries, it's a scramble.

Some people who are mad about that, but I'd argue, those people don't seem to understand the timing of elections. Biden left the race too late, that's on Biden and his advisors, it's not Kamala's fault for picking up the fumble and trying to score.

I also don't think Kamala getting the party nomination in this way is the source of her unpopularity because she was more unpopular before that happened than after.

That she was a prosecutor, and nobody likes prosecutors. That I get.

She got 0 delegates in the primary in 2020, but what does that really mean? It was a crowded field. She did a few debates and dropped out December 2019. The first democratic primary was February 2020, so . . OFCOURSE SHE GOT ZERO. I'm not going trash someone for doing a few debates, not doing well and dropping out. I respect that 20 times more than someone like Tulsi Gabbard who stays in the race, has even less of a chance, gets 2 delegates, and is the last one to drop out other than Bernie, then later becomes a republican because she was never really a democrat to begin with.

Pete Buttigieg stayed in the race for a few contests and got 21 delegates, won one state. Does that, somehow make him a much better candidate than Kamala in 2024? I'd say he's about equal. I like Pete. I'd have been fine with him running and I might have voted for him had there been a primary, but the zero delegates is meaningless. Bill Maher is just making empty content.

But, I'm sorry. I can't make it through the video. Maher is just vomiting content trying to be clever and he's not. He just strings things together. Like putting that Fox News host on. Just why? We know Fox doesn't like Kamala just like Fox didn't like Obama or Bill or Hillary, that's Fox, and why is Maher giving them time on his show? I don't want to watch that Fox News garbage.

so, it might be better if you put it in your own words, and not post sh*tty videos. I gather you don't like Kamala. Tell me why. Also, do you like Fox News? Do you like Buck Sexton's point of view? I'd almost rather listen to nails on a chalk board than listen to Buck Sexton personally, but look, different strokes. If you like Fox News, say you like Fox News, and if you do Like Fox News, then your dislike of Kamala doesn't mean much because you dislike nearly every democrat and liberal by default.

Popularity is a curious thing in politics. Some on the far left don't like Kamala because she's too centrist. Wingo doesn't like Kamala because she won't condemn Israel. Republicans don't like Kamala because she's a democrat, so popularity is more about what the centrists and undecideds think than anything else, and I guess, on how many democrats don't like her.

You asked, there's my answer. My answer is long and mostly about Bill Maher making garbage videos. I kind of know why Kamala isn't popular, but I don't get it. Obviously, some people like her, or (perhaps more accurately) dislike Trump or she wouldn't be out fundraising him like crazy. You don't fundraise a billion dollars without some people liking you.

I know, my answers are too long. It's what I do.

[HarthorneWingo]

F*ck Bill Maher.

I used to like him, but he repeats himself so much now it's tiring, and his anti-woke crusade is overdone and flat out annoying.

So . . . yes. F*ck him. I concur.

Bill Maher hasn't been relevant for 15 years. He's a hack

He continues to recycle the same moderate republican/democratic guests on all the time. It’s so predictable and boring.

Maher lost his mind when the students at UC-Berkeley protested his appearance at the University and got his booking cancelled.

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah F*ck the truth!

You like creepy ass Bill Maher?

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Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

[sortpar]

You like creepy ass Bill Maher?

Watch on YouTube

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Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

You may have issues with parts of the Harris campaign platform, but based on her current attachment to the Biden Administration policies, Harris is walking a very unusual fine line. She is still Biden's wingman and as Vice President, she didn't get to set policy. As was mentioned the other day, Harris has to run flawless while campaigning and supporting the current administration, while Trump is being allowed to run lawless. Voting against Harris, isn't necessarily voting in your best interest. There is a reason, that there is a long list of Ex-Generals that reported to Trump, Ex-Trump Cabinet members, Ex-Trump Administration people and a long list of Economists and Scientists that are warning voters, that a vote for Trump, is a vote against democracy and also a vote against the best interests of the American people.

[Luv those Knicks]

He continues to recycle the same moderate republican/democratic guests on all the time. It’s so predictable and boring.

Maher lost his mind when the students at UC-Berkeley protested his appearance at the University and got his booking cancelled.

Was his event cancelled? Google tells me there was a petition to cancel his speaking engagement but UC Berkeley went through with it, so it wasn't even cancelled, unless maybe there was more than one time, but a brief google search suggests it wasn't cancelled.

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I struggle on this whole protest thing. On the one hand, singing a petition saying "this person shouldn't speak here, and this is why", is protected by free speech. The right to protest, the right to petition for a cancelation, IS FREE F*CKING SPEECH.

Maher made generalized statements about Muslims and terrorism and against religion in general and that's been an ongoing thing with him for some time. Some students felt that his over-generalizations were misrepresentative and harmful and they started a petition against him. Nothing wrong with that.

Maher called it cancel culture, and he hasn't let go of that bone since. The students protesting Maher, said they would be fine with it if he came in for a debate or dialogue, but not as a commencement speaker, and I think the students had a valid point. The students took the high-ground and made a clear argument. Maher continues to take the low ground, and I don't know why anyone watches him anymore at all.

That said, I'm not sure that protests do any good. Did protesting and creating this petition against Maher generate more understanding, or did it only give Maher a platform to preach from? It may have done more harm than good, their petition against Maher.

I have the same problem with black lives matter, and black lives absolutely matter, and I hate the way police do their jobs a lot of the time, though I think it's maybe 5%, perhaps less, of the cops who make problems, and the majority do their jobs well, but that 5% causes a lot of problems.

But black lives matter feeds the other side as much as it supports their cause, maybe more. A few damaged stores, a few fires and some media coverage and the protestors look like the bad guys, even though 99% of them are peaceful. I don't think protests are effective. There was a time when they were, but I don't think they are anymore.

Now, maybe I'm wrong, because this is a large and complicated subject.

[Luv those Knicks]

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

I think you and Rhodey agree on Kamala's unpopularity and the Bill Maher stuff sidetracked that a bit.

I was the one who said I didn't understand it. She seems intelligent, reasonable, she picked a good VP and I think she'll be good for the country. Outside of being a republican who dislikes democrats/liberals who are a die-hard team Bernie and who dislikes centrists, Kamala seems like a good candidate to me.

That republicans dislike the democratic candidate shouldn't be news to anyone any more than democrats disliking the republican candidate is news.

Popularity is on the margins. Like how Bill Clinton or Obama were generally popular, at least, above 50% but still disliked by the other side and never far above 50%.

Kamala doesn't have that. She's below 50% and not very popular along the margins and among centrists. That's what I said I didn't really get. I think she should be more popular than she is. I think she did a good job taking on the role of candidate when it was obvious that Biden needed to dropout.

You and Rhodey disagree with me, and that's fine. To me, Kamala seems to have good charisma, good intelligence, a fair minded approach, a proper sense of right and wrong and I think she'll be good for America. She's right on abortion, she's right on taxing the rich, she's right on respecting the constitution and on Obamacare and she's not in Putin's pocket. The lady should be more well liked, IMHO.

[Kampuchea]

As a member and supporter of humanity, I can't say that I'll be voting for Harris on Election Day without her changing her stance on Israel/Palestine. I'm sorry but I can't vote for anyone who supports the genocide of an indigenous and defenseless population. And I can’t vote for somebody who will co time to commit the war crimes that Biden administration has committed.

Harris needs to separate herself from Biden and call for an arms embargo on Israel, along with reparations for the Palestinians and a whole lot more. And that will never happen. So I plan on voting for Jill Stein. Oh, and I live in Pennsylvania. So if you want my vote, start pushing Kamala to where she needs to be. Also, there are 120,000 Muslims in Pennsylvania so she either better go get all those moderate republicans and independents or she's up Sheets Creak. American-Muslim citizens will not vote for her. Period.

Good call going for Stein, and happy to see more voters not stuck in the party lines. I am hoping to see a huge boost in independent voters in the next decade, which eats away at the numbers of both partys.

BTW - the betting odds now heavily favor Trump. https://electionbettingodds.com/

[Clyde_Style]

Very well said when it comes to voting and not voting.

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She's literally saying what we are saying but it's clear that people do not give a damn about who will be hurt by a 2nd and permanent Trump/Vance presidency as long as they get their pound of flesh. This seriously sucks

WINGO and ZENZIBAR Watch That AOC Clip

She is a leftist functioning within the Democratic Party.

If she gets it, you can too

This is not the time to facilitate the rise of fascism by throwing away your vote on a third party candidate. Trust AOC that voting for Harris is the only way forward, the only way to help Palestine, the only way to retain any semblance of a democracy. The alternative is Trump and turning America into a TV show called COPS: The Mexican Roundup & Political Opponent Extermination Edition. Israel will continue as it does now under Trump too.

[MrDollarBills]

https://theconversation.com/doctors-are-preoccupied-with-threats-of-criminal-charges-in-states-with-abortion-bans-putting-patients-lives-at-risk-240524

Doctors are preoccupied with threats of criminal charges in states with abortion bans, putting patients’ lives at risk

Abortion bans are intended to reduce elective abortions, but they are also affecting the way physicians practice medicine.

That is the key finding from our recently published article in the journal Social Science & Medicine.

Medical providers practicing in states that implemented abortion bans in the wake of the 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Supreme Court decision are forced to balance the needs of their pregnant patients against the risk that the providers could be prosecuted for treating these patients. This dilemma has serious and far-reaching consequences.

We interviewed 22 medical providers working in reproductive health care across Tennessee in the six months following the implementation of the state’s total abortion ban in 2022.

Providers spoke with our team about the need to protect themselves from criminal liability and told us that they were increasingly hesitant to provide care that their patients needed.

A 2024 ProPublica investigation found that at least two women have died in Georgia as a result of being denied medical care stemming from the implementation of these abortion bans. Nearly all of our interviewees spoke about their fear that these kinds of deaths would happen.

A vote for Trump, either directly voting for him, sitting out or voting for a Third Party candidate helps to ensure that this madness continues and there will be more deaths.

Yes, this is blood that will be on the hands of the American electorate if Trump is allowed to return to office after his hand pick SCOTUS judges helped send women's health care back to the dark ages.

If these are acceptable conditions to you, by all means continue on, because your moral compass is too far broken to have a rational discussion with. If not, then you may wanna not support Trump in any fashion at the polls.

[RHODEY]

Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

You may have issues with parts of the Harris campaign platform, but based on her current attachment to the Biden Administration policies, Harris is walking a very unusual fine line. She is still Biden's wingman and as Vice President, she didn't get to set policy. As was mentioned the other day, Harris has to run flawless while campaigning and supporting the current administration, while Trump is being allowed to run lawless. Voting against Harris, isn't necessarily voting in your best interest. There is a reason, that there is a long list of Ex-Generals that reported to Trump, Ex-Trump Cabinet members, Ex-Trump Administration people and a long list of Economists and Scientists that are warning voters, that a vote for Trump, is a vote against democracy and also a vote against the best interests of the American people.

It also reverts back to Trump is bad or other people who we are supposed to follow think Trump is bad ....the focus should be on policies imo.

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[RHODEY]

Not sure whether my liking him or his creepiness would matter. Either you agree or disagree.I agree with what he said re Kamala's popularity. What do you think?

You posted the video replying to me saying "I don't know why she's not more popular" . . . . I wasn't really wanting to watch a 9 minute Bill Maher video, but now that I have some time, I'll give it a listen.

I started to dislike Bill Maher years ago when he didn't understand simple things, such as Isis and Al Qaeda didn't always agree and sometimes even fought each other, he seemed to think it was just 2 sides, US and them, and you can't understand policy if you don't understand the conflicts as they are.

Now he goes on his anti-woke, pro free speech crusade every episode, and I'm so tired of it I can't watch. There also seems to be less intelligent debate and more gotcha politics, even among his guests. I used to feel that sometimes, you'd get someone intelligent with something worth listening to on his show, but that happens far less often.

I was a fan. I used to like his show, but I can't watch it anymore. So . . . that's just explaining my initial resistance to your video.

But you didn't want to talk about Bill Maher, you wanted to talk about Kamala's popularity or lack there of, so out of respect for that, I'll give it a watch, but it's hard to not talk about Bill Maher when it's his video, so that'll come up too.

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Practically the first thing Bill Maher says is wrong. "Kamala Harris, will get all of Biden's campaign money" - is Maher not aware that donations increased when Biden dropped out. Kamala is a fundraising wizard. Maher makes it sound like she's running on Biden's money which is misleading. It took all of 11 seconds for Maher to piss me off with his inaccuracy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/09/politics/harris-billion-fundraising-election/index.html

other than that, the video is all over the place.

Yes, inflation makes Biden/Kamala look bad, but it wasn't their fault. The end of covid and the economy mostly makes it's own rules. Inflation is also getting under control. It's more of an image problem than a policy error.

I also don't think inflation is why Kamala is unpopular. It might be part of why Biden is unpopular.

As for the Border, OK, again, more of an image problem because the democrats have taken action on the border, it was Trump who urged republicans to block action. But, OK, the border makes Kamala look bad.

The guy who does the video makes some valid points. He's not bad. He's right that Kamala was kind of shoved down our throats, but that was a timing issue. Biden dropped out of the race too late and Kamala had little choice but to pick up the fumbled football and try to run with it. The democratic party backed her and at that point, it was done. It was after the primaries. This is what happens when a candidate drops out after the primaries, it's a scramble.

Some people who are mad about that, but I'd argue, those people don't seem to understand the timing of elections. Biden left the race too late, that's on Biden and his advisors, it's not Kamala's fault for picking up the fumble and trying to score.

I also don't think Kamala getting the party nomination in this way is the source of her unpopularity because she was more unpopular before that happened than after.

That she was a prosecutor, and nobody likes prosecutors. That I get.

She got 0 delegates in the primary in 2020, but what does that really mean? It was a crowded field. She did a few debates and dropped out December 2019. The first democratic primary was February 2020, so . . OFCOURSE SHE GOT ZERO. I'm not going trash someone for doing a few debates, not doing well and dropping out. I respect that 20 times more than someone like Tulsi Gabbard who stays in the race, has even less of a chance, gets 2 delegates, and is the last one to drop out other than Bernie, then later becomes a republican because she was never really a democrat to begin with.

Pete Buttigieg stayed in the race for a few contests and got 21 delegates, won one state. Does that, somehow make him a much better candidate than Kamala in 2024? I'd say he's about equal. I like Pete. I'd have been fine with him running and I might have voted for him had there been a primary, but the zero delegates is meaningless. Bill Maher is just making empty content.

But, I'm sorry. I can't make it through the video. Maher is just vomiting content trying to be clever and he's not. He just strings things together. Like putting that Fox News host on. Just why? We know Fox doesn't like Kamala just like Fox didn't like Obama or Bill or Hillary, that's Fox, and why is Maher giving them time on his show? I don't want to watch that Fox News garbage.

so, it might be better if you put it in your own words, and not post sh*tty videos. I gather you don't like Kamala. Tell me why. Also, do you like Fox News? Do you like Buck Sexton's point of view? I'd almost rather listen to nails on a chalk board than listen to Buck Sexton personally, but look, different strokes. If you like Fox News, say you like Fox News, and if you do Like Fox News, then your dislike of Kamala doesn't mean much because you dislike nearly every democrat and liberal by default.

Popularity is a curious thing in politics. Some on the far left don't like Kamala because she's too centrist. Wingo doesn't like Kamala because she won't condemn Israel. Republicans don't like Kamala because she's a democrat, so popularity is more about what the centrists and undecideds think than anything else, and I guess, on how many democrats don't like her.

You asked, there's my answer. My answer is long and mostly about Bill Maher making garbage videos. I kind of know why Kamala isn't popular, but I don't get it. Obviously, some people like her, or (perhaps more accurately) dislike Trump or she wouldn't be out fundraising him like crazy. You don't fundraise a billion dollars without some people liking you.

I know, my answers are too long. It's what I do.

Hey I appreciate your well thought out response. And no personal insults were hurled ...kudos to you!

[Clyde_Style]

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

You may have issues with parts of the Harris campaign platform, but based on her current attachment to the Biden Administration policies, Harris is walking a very unusual fine line. She is still Biden's wingman and as Vice President, she didn't get to set policy. As was mentioned the other day, Harris has to run flawless while campaigning and supporting the current administration, while Trump is being allowed to run lawless. Voting against Harris, isn't necessarily voting in your best interest. There is a reason, that there is a long list of Ex-Generals that reported to Trump, Ex-Trump Cabinet members, Ex-Trump Administration people and a long list of Economists and Scientists that are warning voters, that a vote for Trump, is a vote against democracy and also a vote against the best interests of the American people.

It also reverts back to Trump is bad or other people who we are supposed to follow think Trump is bad ....the focus should be on policies imo.

Is that your way of saying you don't really care that Trump is a rapist and almost certainly a pedophile, a criminal, a deadbeat and a traitor?

Maybe those negative traits in a person don't mean anything to you, but I think it is a mark of basic sanity to actually care that the leader of your country does not have that horrendous collection of detrimental qualities.

[Clyde_Style]

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He is actively undermining the United States once again. What a garbage person this guy is.

[Kampuchea]

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Stay strong all other party voters, no need to vote for any other candidate.

[Pointgod]

If you insist …

I think that Kamala has popularity problems some of which are systemic in nature based on how she was forced into the race, some of them are due to flaws in her campaign strategy and in failing to address certain issues in the way that I’d hoped she would. That’s just my opinion. Her campaign is clearly targeting specific demographics in specific countries. So she not trying to speak to me.

As for that video, however, I could only watch 1:43 before I began to get physically nauseous. So I don’t know what was said after that.

You may have issues with parts of the Harris campaign platform, but based on her current attachment to the Biden Administration policies, Harris is walking a very unusual fine line. She is still Biden's wingman and as Vice President, she didn't get to set policy. As was mentioned the other day, Harris has to run flawless while campaigning and supporting the current administration, while Trump is being allowed to run lawless. Voting against Harris, isn't necessarily voting in your best interest. There is a reason, that there is a long list of Ex-Generals that reported to Trump, Ex-Trump Cabinet members, Ex-Trump Administration people and a long list of Economists and Scientists that are warning voters, that a vote for Trump, is a vote against democracy and also a vote against the best interests of the American people.

It also reverts back to Trump is bad or other people who we are supposed to follow think Trump is bad ....the focus should be on policies imo.

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Comrade Stein reporting for duty!

[Clyde_Style]

Comrade Stein reporting for duty!

Of course this guy would promote a Russian operative like Stein. His whole schtick is pulling for Trump by playing the both sides suck game. He's full-on MAGA while protesting they are not. Put them on ignore.