What does Steph Curry still have to do for you to consider him the greatest?

[DonaldSanders]

Actually, i'm thinking about taking this discussion to the GB, it should be fun.

It was already done by WarriorGM like a month ago, you can just search for that one.

What thread exactly did you have in mind?

I was wrong, you didn't make it but you were a very active participant. A little over 3 weeks ago it was started:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2404084&hilit=curry+goat

So we’re getting sloppy seconds?

What exactly do you mean by that?

Imagine someone eating from a bowl of chili, then they hand the remnants of the half-eaten bowl to you for your dinner. There's also a much nastier connotation a lot of people mean.

[WarriorGM]

It was already done by WarriorGM like a month ago, you can just search for that one.

What thread exactly did you have in mind?

I was wrong, you didn't make it but you were a very active participant. A little over 3 weeks ago it was started:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2404084&hilit=curry+goat

So we’re getting sloppy seconds?

What exactly do you mean by that?

Imagine someone eating from a bowl of chili, then they hand the remnants of the half-eaten bowl to you for your dinner. There's also a much nastier connotation a lot of people mean.

At least it is clear I'm not the only one who would ask questions along this line and this is not a matter of sloppy seconds whatever watch1958 may mean.

Although even then my cooking is good enough that whatever leftovers may remain is often still much better than the results of the effort put in by others.

[Maxthirty]

Realistically… nothing. I have a hard time seeing him pass Duncan even if the stars align for another championship and MVP.

I would say best he can hope for is Magic/Bird status, which is obviously great. But he’ll never be in the same tier as MJ, Bron, or Kareem.

[superunknown]

I think it's crazy to see how many people are so willing to put Lebron into the top 3 so easily. If you did it by purely basketball talent and skills yea I get it. But when you add in their resume I just don't see a top 3 resume.

to me as well.
the media, with ESPN upfront, has really done an amazing job in brainwashing people's brains over the last 2 decades.
a player with that losing record in the finals despite having "hand-picked" teams left right and center, who led the "coward's way" multiple times in his career, uncapable to win jack**** without stacking the deck and have a top 10 if not top 5 player in the league beside him, but very capable to defer to his teammates when it really matters, who is the main character in the biggest upset of modern NBA finals (2011 vs the mavs), should never ever be included in any top 5 list, let alone any GOAT conversation.
instead, here we are.
amusing.

[michaelm]

I think it's crazy to see how many people are so willing to put Lebron into the top 3 so easily. If you did it by purely basketball talent and skills yea I get it. But when you add in their resume I just don't see a top 3 resume.

to me as well.
the media, with ESPN upfront, has really done an amazing job in brainwashing people's brains over the last 2 decades.
a player with that losing record in the finals despite having "hand-picked" teams left right and center, who led the "coward's way" multiple times in his career, uncapable to win jack**** without stacking the deck and have a top 10 if not top 5 player in the league beside him, but very capable to defer to his teammates when it really matters, who is the main character in the biggest upset of modern NBA finals (2011 vs the mavs), should never ever be included in any top 5 list, let alone any GOAT conversation.
instead, here we are.
amusing.

Silly hypothetical but I will bite to agree with you.

LeBron probably has the greatest array of individual attributes ever, probably more than MJ even, but I will take Curry’’s wins which were all for my team rather than 4 titles for 3 different teams. I am also of the opinion that the best GSW team was better than the best of LeBron’s teams, none of which is in the conversation for best all time again imo, because LeBronball is limited by heliocentricity while Curry/Kerr ball is beautiful and superior. A further opinion is that even KD was at his best with GSW, and wouldn’t have been as good next to LeBron, although they would have won titles of course.

[Onus]

I think it's crazy to see how many people are so willing to put Lebron into the top 3 so easily. If you did it by purely basketball talent and skills yea I get it. But when you add in their resume I just don't see a top 3 resume.

to me as well.
the media, with ESPN upfront, has really done an amazing job in brainwashing people's brains over the last 2 decades.
a player with that losing record in the finals despite having "hand-picked" teams left right and center, who led the "coward's way" multiple times in his career, uncapable to win jack**** without stacking the deck and have a top 10 if not top 5 player in the league beside him, but very capable to defer to his teammates when it really matters, who is the main character in the biggest upset of modern NBA finals (2011 vs the mavs), should never ever be included in any top 5 list, let alone any GOAT conversation.
instead, here we are.
amusing.

Silly hypothetical but I will bite to agree with you.

LeBron probably has the greatest array of individual attributes ever, probably more than MJ even, but I will take Curry’’s wins which were all for my team rather than 4 titles for 3 different teams. I am also of the opinion that the best GSW team was better than the best of LeBron’s teams, none of which is in the conversation for best all time again imo, because LeBronball is limited by heliocentricity while Curry/Kerr ball is beautiful and superior. A further opinion is that even KD was at his best with GSW, and wouldn’t have been as good next to LeBron, although they would have won titles of course.

Lebron chose stats over wins, which hindered others playing with him and lowered the ceiling on all of his teams. People want to say who else can create offense and we are literally watching this lakers team create offense without being lebron centric and i think they’re going to be a top 6 team this year. So the answer to that is literally anyone especially when you have Wade, Bosh, ky, love.

[DonaldSanders]

Lebron chose stats over wins, which hindered others playing with him and lowered the ceiling on all of his teams. People want to say who else can create offense and we are literally watching this lakers team create offense without being lebron centric and i think they’re going to be a top 6 team this year. So the answer to that is literally anyone especially when you have Wade, Bosh, ky, love.

I don't think LeBron *chose* stats over wins, but his playstyle/strengths are to dominate the ball on offense which lowers the value of other stars he has played with. I think LeBron gets overrated by some (although I have him in my top 3) because he plays with these great players and their stats go down and people say "see, his help wasn't that good that year" instead of seeing that as a weakness of LeBron not getting his teammates going. Kevin Love was 2nd team All-NBA before joining the Cavs and then turned into a spot up shooter, and you'll hear people to this day talk about prime Kevin Love not being that good. Same for Bosh.

Where Steph gets underrated is that he supercharges other good players, which is tough to quantify. KD had his best seasons playing with Steph, had he played with LeBron his stats probably would have dipped instead of staying the same w/ superior efficiency like they did with Steph.

[Onus]

Lebron chose stats over wins, which hindered others playing with him and lowered the ceiling on all of his teams. People want to say who else can create offense and we are literally watching this lakers team create offense without being lebron centric and i think they’re going to be a top 6 team this year. So the answer to that is literally anyone especially when you have Wade, Bosh, ky, love.

I don't think LeBron *chose* stats over wins, but his playstyle/strengths are to dominate the ball on offense which lowers the value of other stars he has played with. I think LeBron gets overrated by some (although I have him in my top 3) because he plays with these great players and their stats go down and people say "see, his help wasn't that good that year" instead of seeing that as a weakness of LeBron not getting his teammates going. Kevin Love was 2nd team All-NBA before joining the Cavs and then turned into a spot up shooter, and you'll hear people to this day talk about prime Kevin Love not being that good. Same for Bosh.

Where Steph gets underrated is that he supercharges other good players, which is tough to quantify. KD had his best seasons playing with Steph, had he played with LeBron his stats probably would have dipped instead of staying the same w/ superior efficiency like they did with Steph.

I think he could’ve played without dominating the ball, which is why I say he chose stats over wins. Look at this lakers team. Lebron just wanted to make sure he had a gaudy stat line. He literally wouldn’t do anything unless it led to some type of stat. What he never understood or no coach was able to impart to him was that the first 43 minutes should be about getting everyone else involved and then take over in crunch time if needed. Or take over when needed. He would give half efforts and say see it’s not working until they put the ball back into hands.