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[MickeyDavis]

MILWAUKEE - Milwaukee Bucks guard Andre Jackson Jr. crashed into a Milwaukee townhouse on Saturday, Oct. 26.

It happened at the Yankee Hill Luxury Apartments complex on State Street near Van Buren Street. The Bucks told FOX6 News that Jackson was the only person in the car and crashed after the team's morning workout.
No one was injured, the team said, and Jackson did not need medical attention.

Jackson will be with the team for Sunday's game in New York against the Brooklyn Nets. He played one minute in the season opener against the Philadelphia 76ers and did not play in Friday's loss to the Chicago Bulls. As a rookie last season, he appeared in 57 games.

[MoreTrife]

Very bizarre. On his cell phone doesn't quite explain it. Medical emergency? If he's coming from practice can't be substance.

[emunney]

Not charged with anything? Had a certain coyote just painted a very realistic tunnel on the townhouse?

[-Jragon-]

If we trade Portis, we have no backup PF. Prince isn't good, and Middleton is a SF.

Now, would I trade Portis for a quick defensive combo forward? Sure, but we'd also need a backup center then.

Horst blew it for years, and now we're backed into a corner. Crazy thing is, Giannis, Dame, and Middleton might still carry us to a title.

You are what you can effectively guard. So Mids is positionless.. take that either way.

You continue to try to gas light with this ridiculous notion.
There's tons of different defensive metrics, many have different favorites. However, there isn't a single metric that suggests Middleton struggles defensively. Watch a game. He acticipates moves, and then uses his length to contest. He brings effort every night he plays. Sure, we'd all like him to play more, but you can say the same about 50 other highly paid players.

The reason metrics don't suggest that is because there isn't one that is valid to assess 1 player without context. For example, if Embiid is the best paint enforcer on his team and when he leaves a weaker defender comes in -- and the metric agrees that the D gets worse when he's off the court then it's valid. But what about if his replacement was a similarly good or even better defender? Now that measurement wouldn't show him to be a good defender. What is the context for a non-impact miscellaneous defender? It's just going to be random #s associated with teammates that are the enforcers

So what would a scout do to measure that guy? Criteria:
Does he keep his man in front?
Does he keep his balance?
Can he recover quickly when driven passed or after he helps?
Does he block or alter shots?
Does he pressure the ball?
Does he force his opponent into difficult shots or to give up the ball?

Effort and energy aren't really observable criteria. I haven't seen KM do much of any of the above since his 1st like 5 years in the league. He isn't impactful or disruptive on D and doesn't pick up the other team's top players. So his responsibility is staying close to some random role player and those dudes kill us regularly.

Time to be honest now. He is what he is... he can take over games still for stretches of times on offense and that's valuable... but often it requires him to keep the ball from Dame so it's rough when they're out there together because Dame NEEDS the ball and is a higher level and priority player in any historical context. Where does that leave KM? His strongest role would be to keep us in games when Giannis and/or Lillard are out. That's the time he should shoot himself hot, not when Dame and GA are standing there like Pat and Brook are doing. When he's in with both of them he needs to defer but then when they do kick it to him he needs to be aggressive in shooting those open shots -- quick offense.

[-Jragon-]

I'm going to say this again because I think it's important. In the NBA right now there isn't a better play than if Dame is hot, give him the ball back and set a screen. Thereby, our main priorities offensively should be...

1. Get Dame hot
2. Get Giannis the ball in space or 1v1 within hopefully 1 dribble spin step away from the hoop
3. If 1 and 2 happen then there will be space for EVERYONE else to eat and plenty of points to go around -- 130s and 140s

[ShootingtheJ]

You are what you can effectively guard. So Mids is positionless.. take that either way.

You continue to try to gas light with this ridiculous notion.
There's tons of different defensive metrics, many have different favorites. However, there isn't a single metric that suggests Middleton struggles defensively. Watch a game. He acticipates moves, and then uses his length to contest. He brings effort every night he plays. Sure, we'd all like him to play more, but you can say the same about 50 other highly paid players.

The reason metrics don't suggest that is because there isn't one that is valid to assess 1 player without context. For example, if Embiid is the best paint enforcer on his team and when he leaves a weaker defender comes in -- and the metric agrees that the D gets worse when he's off the court then it's valid. But what about if his replacement was a similarly good or even better defender? Now that measurement wouldn't show him to be a good defender. What is the context for a non-impact miscellaneous defender? It's just going to be random #s associated with teammates that are the enforcers

So what would a scout do to measure that guy? Criteria:
Does he keep his man in front?
Does he keep his balance?
Can he recover quickly when driven passed or after he helps?
Does he block or alter shots?
Does he pressure the ball?
Does he force his opponent into difficult shots or to give up the ball?

Effort and energy aren't really observable criteria. I haven't seen KM do much of any of the above since his 1st like 5 years in the league. He isn't impactful or disruptive on D and doesn't pick up the other team's top players. So his responsibility is staying close to some random role player and those dudes kill us regularly.

There's stats that measure the man your guardings field goal %, there's isolation stats. KM doesn't guard random role players, Dame does that. There's stats that measure the quality of the opponent you guard. All these stats strongly suggest your every instinct about Middleton is wrong.

[ShootingtheJ]

Ryan Dunn got the start for Phoenix last night in their win. He scored 13, and is now 6-13 from 3 on the season, and the Suns are 19 points/100 better with him on the floor.

See you guys later, I'm going to go throw up.

[Mtsportsfan]

Not charged with anything? Had a certain coyote just painted a very realistic tunnel on the townhouse?

Thank you! Needed a good laugh this morning! five minutes later and I'm still laughing!

[MickeyDavis]

Dunn was picked #28, it's not like only the Bucks passed on him.

[ShootingtheJ]

Dunn was picked #28, it's not like only the Bucks passed on him.

So it's OK to make bad picks instead of great picks if other teams did the same? Problem with that is some of the other team's also drafted viable players that addressed their needs. They didn't pick a 3rd string PG who will struggle in the G League.

[soxperry]

No one thought he could shoot. Seems like it was consensus. So without the benefit of knowing that he might now be able to shoot, is that a good fit for a team with Giannis on it? Feels like we really value shooting

[raferfenix]

MarJon and a first or another asset for Keon Ellis seems more plausible from the Kings’ end at least.

Read on Twitter

"You can see, just by the minutes, that I'm still not comfortable with my rotation," Brown said after Sacramento's 117-115 collapse Thursday. "I don't want DeMar to average 43 minutes a game. I don't want Keegan to average 43 minutes a game. And so that's something that I have to continue working on to help them out. I also don't want Domas at 38 and I don't want Fox at 37.

"So, again, that's something that I have to continue working on with the group to figure out what's going to be good for us rotationally going forward -- and it may take some time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/sacramento-kings/demar-derozan-deaaron-fox-mike-brown/1797661/?amp=1

[Badgerlander]

MarJon and a first or another asset for Keon Ellis seems more plausible from the Kings’ end at least.

Read on Twitter

"You can see, just by the minutes, that I'm still not comfortable with my rotation," Brown said after Sacramento's 117-115 collapse Thursday. "I don't want DeMar to average 43 minutes a game. I don't want Keegan to average 43 minutes a game. And so that's something that I have to continue working on to help them out. I also don't want Domas at 38 and I don't want Fox at 37.

"So, again, that's something that I have to continue working on with the group to figure out what's going to be good for us rotationally going forward -- and it may take some time."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/sacramento-kings/demar-derozan-deaaron-fox-mike-brown/1797661/?amp=1

I’m not giving up a first for him but any “asset” of matching salary is available except AJ Johnson or Tyler. I’d love to have Ellis. I assuming that they are trying to prop up Huerters value to dump him

[MickeyDavis]

Not trading a first to get Ellis

[Daver]

Not trading a first to get Ellis

Would ylu trade aj johnson plus marjon for him though

[Badgerlander]

Not trading a first to get Ellis

Would ylu trade aj johnson plus marjon for him though

We are a second apron team, cannot aggregate players in trade, but no i would not

[crowhead76]

Pat, Marjon and a 2nd for Lyles and Ellis

[raferfenix]

If the Bucks see Keon Ellis as a long term starter who solves our defensive woes on the wing that’d be very different than if he’s more a solid rotation guy.

That’s certainly for whether we’d include our lone future first.

AJ Green + MarJon in 2 technically separate deals could be another approach but idk if I see it being enough value for Keon (+ another minimum guy).

Bobby into Sacramento’s open MLE spot could be another option.

Bucks get a trade exception and out of the 2nd apron in that scenario too.

[Badgerlander]

If the Bucks see Keon Ellis as a long term starter who solves our defensive woes on the wing that’d be very different than if he’s more a solid rotation guy.

That’s certainly for whether we’d include our lone future first.

AJ Green + MarJon in 2 technically separate deals could be another approach but idk if I see it being enough value for Keon (+ another minimum guy).

Bobby into Sacramento’s open MLE spot could be another option.

Bucks get a trade exception and out of the 2nd apron in that scenario too.

Keon isn’t a starting caliber player in the league. He could start on our team because his strengths cover up some of our weaknesses and vice versa. He is basically Andre Jackson if Andre fixed his 3pt shot. Keon Ellis isn’t enough of a two way player to give up a first for.

[Badgerlander]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor