The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

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LeBron chews Rui out after a bad shot last night . I had the same reaction while watching the game live.

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LeBron chews Rui out after a bad shot last night . I had the same reaction while watching the game live.

JoRdAn MeNtAlItY AmIrIgHt?

[zimpy27]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

[tone wone]

Is Ham the worst HC that LBJ had in his career?

Not even close to being as bad as Luke Walton

[PistolPeteJR]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

Gabe’s been alright, not terribleeeeee. DLo and Christie have been atrocious, though DLo was a bit better yesterday.

[TroubleS0me]

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[zimpy27]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

Gabe’s been alright, not terribleeeeee. DLo and Christie have been atrocious, though DLo was a bit better yesterday.

I wouldn't say terrible. DLo, Max, Gabe have been decent, they've played their role well enough.

All 3 have shot the three pointer poorly.
Possessions added (OREB+STL-TO) per 100 for DLo is at +1, for Gabe is at +2.9 and Max is at 0.

I think Gabe has been the best but Max Christie has been the most disappointing. DLo has been shooting poorly to start but he's a positive for possessions while handing out 7.5 assists per 100 possessions. Dlo would be the best of the 3 if it wasn't for his defense which is the worst of the 3.

[PistolPeteJR]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

Gabe’s been alright, not terribleeeeee. DLo and Christie have been atrocious, though DLo was a bit better yesterday.

I wouldn't say terrible. DLo, Max, Gabe have been decent, they've played their role well enough.

All 3 have shot the three pointer poorly.
Possessions added (OREB+STL-TO) per 100 for DLo is at +1, for Gabe is at +2.9 and Max is at 0.

I think Gabe has been the best but Max Christie has been the most disappointing. DLo has been shooting poorly to start but he's a positive for possessions while handing out 7.5 assists per 100 possessions. Dlo would be the best of the 3 if it wasn't for his defense which is the worst of the 3.

Agreed. I’m rank ‘em the same way so far: Gabe, DLo, then Christie. But like, Max has been BAD. I can’t think of much he’s done well though, really.

[zimpy27]

Gabe’s been alright, not terribleeeeee. DLo and Christie have been atrocious, though DLo was a bit better yesterday.

I wouldn't say terrible. DLo, Max, Gabe have been decent, they've played their role well enough.

All 3 have shot the three pointer poorly.
Possessions added (OREB+STL-TO) per 100 for DLo is at +1, for Gabe is at +2.9 and Max is at 0.

I think Gabe has been the best but Max Christie has been the most disappointing. DLo has been shooting poorly to start but he's a positive for possessions while handing out 7.5 assists per 100 possessions. Dlo would be the best of the 3 if it wasn't for his defense which is the worst of the 3.

Agreed. I’m rank ‘em the same way so far: Gabe, DLo, then Christie. But like, Max has been BAD. I can’t think of much he’s done well though, really.

Yeah, he's playing like a developing player, he defends hard and plays hard. But I could see Olivari taking over his spot or even maybe JHS.

Seems to be a lot of love for Max though in the locker room.

[dcstanley]

But what is the deal?

Feels like Rui has to stay if he is playing like this

Still need a point guard if you move Dlo

Dlo, Gabe, and JHS/Reddish and Lewis in a 3 teamer for Lonzo and Coby White may be the way to go. Need to give up a 1st and 2nds probably? And find a 3rd team likely

Lonzo, Reaves, Bron, Rui, AD
Coby White, Christie, Vando, Wood, Hayes

Try and upgrade Hayes with whatever we got left? 2nds, swaps, JHS if he is left

I don't think the Bulls want to move White (would be an excellent fit here though) and still need to see more from Lonzo. He only played 14 mins in game 1 and missed tonight, not sure he could handle a full season and playoffs. I also don't think think they necessarily need to acquire a PG with the way JJ is playing through Reaves and Lebron, would prefer more size and athleticism replacing DLO. AR/wing/Rui/Lebron/AD is a more versatile playoff lineup with a higher defensive ceiling. Also, Gabe looked really good defensively tonight.. if he can hit shots I might prefer to keep him over Vando or Christie (when he's trade eligible).

When Christie becomes available to trade: DLO/Max/JHS is roughly 30 mil, DLO/Vando/JHS is roughly 33 mil, DLO/Vando/JHS/Max is roughly 40 mil.

The reason I have opened up to the idea of Lonzo a lot is b/c he is a big guard and versatile defensively, but you dont lose playmaking

Bogdan would be solid offesnviely for us from ATL, but not enough defense/athleticism in the backcourt I think

Is Bruce Brown good enough overall?

If we could move a 1st, a swap, JHS, and some 2nds for Lonzo and Coby White, that seems pretty good

Not sure if both 1sts are worth it, unless protecting 31 lottery and becomes 2nds

Bogdan is kind of a suped up Knecht. They could use more shooting but he’s kind of redundant. Brown is a peculiar fit, he can be good but not sure this is the right setting to optimize him. Plus he’s not a big enough upgrade over DLO.

I’m probably the last person still on the Jerami Grant train. He just had a 4 block game in which he also scored 28 points. The other night, he went 8/17 from three. His advanced numbers haven’t been great in Portland but he’s been a relatively efficient volume scorer in a miserable environment and still possesses the athletic tools to be a wing stopper. You could match his salary with DLO/JHS/Christie when Christie is trade eligible which keeps Vincent and Vando’s salaries for other trades if necessary. Knecht also gets bumped up in the rotation.

Reaves/Vincent
Grant/Knecht
Rui/Vando
Bron/Wood
AD/Hayes

The Lakers get more size, athleticism, defense, and scoring. Bron/Grant/Rui/Vando is more than sufficient wing depth. Guards are a little light but that can be solved with a Dinwiddie like acquisition in the buyout market.

[nzahir]

I don't think the Bulls want to move White (would be an excellent fit here though) and still need to see more from Lonzo. He only played 14 mins in game 1 and missed tonight, not sure he could handle a full season and playoffs. I also don't think think they necessarily need to acquire a PG with the way JJ is playing through Reaves and Lebron, would prefer more size and athleticism replacing DLO. AR/wing/Rui/Lebron/AD is a more versatile playoff lineup with a higher defensive ceiling. Also, Gabe looked really good defensively tonight.. if he can hit shots I might prefer to keep him over Vando or Christie (when he's trade eligible).

When Christie becomes available to trade: DLO/Max/JHS is roughly 30 mil, DLO/Vando/JHS is roughly 33 mil, DLO/Vando/JHS/Max is roughly 40 mil.

The reason I have opened up to the idea of Lonzo a lot is b/c he is a big guard and versatile defensively, but you dont lose playmaking

Bogdan would be solid offesnviely for us from ATL, but not enough defense/athleticism in the backcourt I think

Is Bruce Brown good enough overall?

If we could move a 1st, a swap, JHS, and some 2nds for Lonzo and Coby White, that seems pretty good

Not sure if both 1sts are worth it, unless protecting 31 lottery and becomes 2nds

Bogdan is kind of a suped up Knecht. They could use more shooting but he’s kind of redundant. Brown is a peculiar fit, he can be good but not sure this is the right setting to optimize him. Plus he’s not a big enough upgrade over DLO.

I’m probably the last person still on the Jerami Grant train. He just had a 4 block game in which he also scored 28 points. The other night, he went 8/17 from three. His advanced numbers haven’t been great in Portland but he’s been a relatively efficient volume scorer in a miserable environment and still possesses the athletic tools to be a wing stopper. You could match his salary with DLO/JHS/Christie when Christie is trade eligible which keeps Vincent and Vando’s salaries for other trades if necessary. Knecht also gets bumped up in the rotation.

Reaves/Vincent
Grant/Knecht
Rui/Vando
Bron/Wood
AD/Hayes

The Lakers get more size, athleticism, defense, and scoring. Bron/Grant/Rui/Vando is more than sufficient wing depth. Guards are a little light but that can be solved with a Dinwiddie like acquisition in the buyout market.

Grant, Rui, and Bron aren't quick enough I think to all play together

Grant is more of a 4 now
Rui is not able to move laterally very well on the perimeter
Lebron is old and can't give max effort all the time, slower feet now

Would need to bring Rui or Grant off the bench, but dont know if they can all play together and that may be an issue if Rui is legit

[trickshot]

To be fair most of the younger guys are experiencing their first two dribble-hand off system at this level. All the guards and smalls are struggling with their instinct. Give it a pass till a bigger sample. They are all making bad decisions. With Russell I thought he would be the biggest beneficiary as he has played on the Warriors and around the league but there's time.

[trickshot]

Cold take. He's going to have his most efficient year. Been watching out for this version for almost a decade. The player who is slowed down enough to need a system but dominant enough to transcend it in spurts. Dude refused to decline, he now has another 3 to 5 years at the top.

[Doug_12]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

I'd be fine with Gabe being our backup PG, I don't see why we need any better. I also like the Reaves/Knecht, Lebron/Rui, Davis/Wood rotations.

I don't see Hayes doing this for long stretches so imo next to the starting PG we need a starting/backup C (depending on how we see AD's role).

DLO, Vando, Max, JHS and a protected 1st can be sent out and with luck it is an achievable task. DLO and Vando are still serviceable players, they just happen to be not in the ideal situations: DLO is imo an ideal 6th man while Vando can be an impact defender in a team with a lot of shooters. Max's contract looks bad right now, but he is still younger than a lot of rookies this year. Similar goes to JHS.

[zimpy27]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

I'd be fine with Gabe being our backup PG, I don't see why we need any better. I also like the Reaves/Knecht, Lebron/Rui, Davis/Wood rotations.

I don't see Hayes doing this for long stretches so imo next to the starting PG we need a starting/backup C (depending on how we see AD's role).

DLO, Vando, Max, JHS and a protected 1st can be sent out and with luck it is an achievable task. DLO and Vando are still serviceable players, they just happen to be not in the ideal situations: DLO is imo an ideal 6th man while Vando can be an impact defender in a team with a lot of shooters. Max's contract looks bad right now, but he is still younger than a lot of rookies this year. Similar goes to JHS.

Well if you think about the Lakers playoffs 8 then it helps to work out priorities. The glaring hole is a 2-way guard like Lonzo or Jrue or White or Caruso. 3+D guard that can playmake a little.

That player with Reaves and Knecht would be the playoffs guard rotation covering a total of 96 minutes per game.

You then have LeBron, Rui, Davis cover SF-C spot with 2 of Vando, Wood, Hayes.



DLo+Christie for Lonzo+Craig


Playoff 8: Lonzo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Knecht, Vando, Hayes
Depth: Gabe, Olivari, Craig, Wood
Garbage time: JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Koloko

[Doug_12]

Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Rui, Davis -- Hayes

These 6 above have all been great. Lakers still have Vando and Wood to add to the above.


DLo, Gabe, Christie haven't been great and represent $37m.

Lakers would need a starting PG and backup PG. Or $26m for PG if they keep Gabe as backup for his experience.

I'd be fine with Gabe being our backup PG, I don't see why we need any better. I also like the Reaves/Knecht, Lebron/Rui, Davis/Wood rotations.

I don't see Hayes doing this for long stretches so imo next to the starting PG we need a starting/backup C (depending on how we see AD's role).

DLO, Vando, Max, JHS and a protected 1st can be sent out and with luck it is an achievable task. DLO and Vando are still serviceable players, they just happen to be not in the ideal situations: DLO is imo an ideal 6th man while Vando can be an impact defender in a team with a lot of shooters. Max's contract looks bad right now, but he is still younger than a lot of rookies this year. Similar goes to JHS.

Well if you think about the Lakers playoffs 8 then it helps to work out priorities. The glaring hole is a 2-way guard like Lonzo or Jrue or White or Caruso. 3+D guard that can playmake a little.

That player with Reaves and Knecht would be the playoffs guard rotation covering a total of 96 minutes per game.

You then have LeBron, Rui, Davis cover SF-C spot with 2 of Vando, Wood, Hayes.



DLo+Christie for Lonzo+Craig


Playoff 8: Lonzo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Knecht, Vando, Hayes
Depth: Gabe, Olivari, Craig, Wood
Garbage time: JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Koloko

Lonzo is a big risk, but I'd also do this. We can't lose much with this and if he came anywhere close to what he was pre-injury, he is the ideal PG for us.

I'd still trade Vando and JHS for a serviceable big though. Vando+JHS for Nick Richards+Vasilije Micic? Micic though more a filler in this deal, but could work as a safety guard behind Lonzo, Gabe, Reaves and Knecht.

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht / Reddish
James / Rui / Craig
Davis / Wood
Richards / Hayes

or

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht
Rui / Craig / Reddish
James / Wood
Davis / Richards / Hayes

[dcstanley]

The reason I have opened up to the idea of Lonzo a lot is b/c he is a big guard and versatile defensively, but you dont lose playmaking

Bogdan would be solid offesnviely for us from ATL, but not enough defense/athleticism in the backcourt I think

Is Bruce Brown good enough overall?

If we could move a 1st, a swap, JHS, and some 2nds for Lonzo and Coby White, that seems pretty good

Not sure if both 1sts are worth it, unless protecting 31 lottery and becomes 2nds

Bogdan is kind of a suped up Knecht. They could use more shooting but he’s kind of redundant. Brown is a peculiar fit, he can be good but not sure this is the right setting to optimize him. Plus he’s not a big enough upgrade over DLO.

I’m probably the last person still on the Jerami Grant train. He just had a 4 block game in which he also scored 28 points. The other night, he went 8/17 from three. His advanced numbers haven’t been great in Portland but he’s been a relatively efficient volume scorer in a miserable environment and still possesses the athletic tools to be a wing stopper. You could match his salary with DLO/JHS/Christie when Christie is trade eligible which keeps Vincent and Vando’s salaries for other trades if necessary. Knecht also gets bumped up in the rotation.

Reaves/Vincent
Grant/Knecht
Rui/Vando
Bron/Wood
AD/Hayes

The Lakers get more size, athleticism, defense, and scoring. Bron/Grant/Rui/Vando is more than sufficient wing depth. Guards are a little light but that can be solved with a Dinwiddie like acquisition in the buyout market.

Grant, Rui, and Bron aren't quick enough I think to all play together

Grant is more of a 4 now
Rui is not able to move laterally very well on the perimeter
Lebron is old and can't give max effort all the time, slower feet now

Would need to bring Rui or Grant off the bench, but dont know if they can all play together and that may be an issue if Rui is legit

Yeah I agree. I think the Grant/Rui/Bron trio works very well against DEN/OKC/MIN but isn’t equipped to guard a team like the Suns, for example. They need to break up the DLO/Reaves backcourt and bring in a player that can take the most difficult matchups. Right now, Reaves is the primary defender on the opposing team’s star perimeter player. That shouldn’t be the case.

[Doug_12]

I'd be fine with Gabe being our backup PG, I don't see why we need any better. I also like the Reaves/Knecht, Lebron/Rui, Davis/Wood rotations.

I don't see Hayes doing this for long stretches so imo next to the starting PG we need a starting/backup C (depending on how we see AD's role).

DLO, Vando, Max, JHS and a protected 1st can be sent out and with luck it is an achievable task. DLO and Vando are still serviceable players, they just happen to be not in the ideal situations: DLO is imo an ideal 6th man while Vando can be an impact defender in a team with a lot of shooters. Max's contract looks bad right now, but he is still younger than a lot of rookies this year. Similar goes to JHS.

Well if you think about the Lakers playoffs 8 then it helps to work out priorities. The glaring hole is a 2-way guard like Lonzo or Jrue or White or Caruso. 3+D guard that can playmake a little.

That player with Reaves and Knecht would be the playoffs guard rotation covering a total of 96 minutes per game.

You then have LeBron, Rui, Davis cover SF-C spot with 2 of Vando, Wood, Hayes.



DLo+Christie for Lonzo+Craig


Playoff 8: Lonzo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Knecht, Vando, Hayes
Depth: Gabe, Olivari, Craig, Wood
Garbage time: JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Koloko

Lonzo is a big risk, but I'd also do this. We can't lose much with this and if he came anywhere close to what he was pre-injury, he is the ideal PG for us.

I'd still trade Vando and JHS for a serviceable big though. Vando+JHS for Nick Richards+Vasilije Micic? Micic though more a filler in this deal, but could work as a safety guard behind Lonzo, Gabe, Reaves and Knecht.

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht / Reddish
James / Rui / Craig
Davis / Wood
Richards / Hayes

or

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht
Rui / Craig / Reddish
James / Wood
Davis / Richards / Hayes

Having read about Richards, we shall look for someone better. I'd love Kessler, though I'm not sure what his price tag is? Maybe JHS + top 10 protected 1st?

If everyone is healthy, this would be a very exciting lineup:
Lonzo / Vincent
Reaves / Knecht / Reddish
James / Rui / Craig
Davis / Vanderbilt
Kessler / Wood / Hayes

[falcolombardi]

Would dlo for schroeder be a option? Dennis fits better on a playoff scenario due to defense

[zimpy27]

Well if you think about the Lakers playoffs 8 then it helps to work out priorities. The glaring hole is a 2-way guard like Lonzo or Jrue or White or Caruso. 3+D guard that can playmake a little.

That player with Reaves and Knecht would be the playoffs guard rotation covering a total of 96 minutes per game.

You then have LeBron, Rui, Davis cover SF-C spot with 2 of Vando, Wood, Hayes.



DLo+Christie for Lonzo+Craig


Playoff 8: Lonzo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis -- Knecht, Vando, Hayes
Depth: Gabe, Olivari, Craig, Wood
Garbage time: JHS, Bronny, Reddish, Lewis, Koloko

Lonzo is a big risk, but I'd also do this. We can't lose much with this and if he came anywhere close to what he was pre-injury, he is the ideal PG for us.

I'd still trade Vando and JHS for a serviceable big though. Vando+JHS for Nick Richards+Vasilije Micic? Micic though more a filler in this deal, but could work as a safety guard behind Lonzo, Gabe, Reaves and Knecht.

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht / Reddish
James / Rui / Craig
Davis / Wood
Richards / Hayes

or

Lonzo / Vincent / Micic
Reaves / Knecht
Rui / Craig / Reddish
James / Wood
Davis / Richards / Hayes

Having read about Richards, we shall look for someone better. I'd love Kessler, though I'm not sure what his price tag is? Maybe JHS + top 10 protected 1st?

If everyone is healthy, this would be a very exciting lineup:
Lonzo / Vincent
Reaves / Knecht / Reddish
James / Rui / Craig
Davis / Vanderbilt
Kessler / Wood / Hayes

Kessler is nice but honestly Hayes has been a bright spot. He has great hands and activity as a roll man. He's still very young and will continue to develop.

His ft% is decent for a C and he's up there with Gobert for FG% most years.


Wood is coming back to give a different look. I think guard defense is the main need.