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[mattg]

Saw this floating around Twitter and Reddit from multiple people. No confirmation Ajax was involved yet. Hope whoever it was is okay.

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Drives liek he plays ball.

Probably not a DUI because the dude refuses to take shots

Dre can't turn the corner in the pick n roll or the BMW wtf Horst what are we doing here

[-Jragon-]

You continue to try to gas light with this ridiculous notion.
There's tons of different defensive metrics, many have different favorites. However, there isn't a single metric that suggests Middleton struggles defensively. Watch a game. He acticipates moves, and then uses his length to contest. He brings effort every night he plays. Sure, we'd all like him to play more, but you can say the same about 50 other highly paid players.

The reason metrics don't suggest that is because there isn't one that is valid to assess 1 player without context. For example, if Embiid is the best paint enforcer on his team and when he leaves a weaker defender comes in -- and the metric agrees that the D gets worse when he's off the court then it's valid. But what about if his replacement was a similarly good or even better defender? Now that measurement wouldn't show him to be a good defender. What is the context for a non-impact miscellaneous defender? It's just going to be random #s associated with teammates that are the enforcers

So what would a scout do to measure that guy? Criteria:
Does he keep his man in front?
Does he keep his balance?
Can he recover quickly when driven passed or after he helps?
Does he block or alter shots?
Does he pressure the ball?
Does he force his opponent into difficult shots or to give up the ball?

Effort and energy aren't really observable criteria. I haven't seen KM do much of any of the above since his 1st like 5 years in the league. He isn't impactful or disruptive on D and doesn't pick up the other team's top players. So his responsibility is staying close to some random role player and those dudes kill us regularly.

There's stats that measure the man your guardings field goal %, there's isolation stats. KM doesn't guard random role players, Dame does that. There's stats that measure the quality of the opponent you guard. All these stats strongly suggest your every instinct about Middleton is wrong.

It was a microcosm of 1 series, but you already admitted Jrue and Wes would cover the opponents best players. That's what the norm has been. So again, the stat needs context.

[Daver]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

[-Jragon-]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

The young dudes were hooping all summer. Let's wait and see.. maybe they just need another chance

[ShootingtheJ]

The reason metrics don't suggest that is because there isn't one that is valid to assess 1 player without context. For example, if Embiid is the best paint enforcer on his team and when he leaves a weaker defender comes in -- and the metric agrees that the D gets worse when he's off the court then it's valid. But what about if his replacement was a similarly good or even better defender? Now that measurement wouldn't show him to be a good defender. What is the context for a non-impact miscellaneous defender? It's just going to be random #s associated with teammates that are the enforcers

So what would a scout do to measure that guy? Criteria:
Does he keep his man in front?
Does he keep his balance?
Can he recover quickly when driven passed or after he helps?
Does he block or alter shots?
Does he pressure the ball?
Does he force his opponent into difficult shots or to give up the ball?

Effort and energy aren't really observable criteria. I haven't seen KM do much of any of the above since his 1st like 5 years in the league. He isn't impactful or disruptive on D and doesn't pick up the other team's top players. So his responsibility is staying close to some random role player and those dudes kill us regularly.

There's stats that measure the man your guardings field goal %, there's isolation stats. KM doesn't guard random role players, Dame does that. There's stats that measure the quality of the opponent you guard. All these stats strongly suggest your every instinct about Middleton is wrong.

It was a microcosm of 1 series, but you already admitted Jrue and Wes would cover the opponents best players. That's what the norm has been. So again, the stat needs context.

So everyone besides Jimmy is a bad player? Wes played a lot? Jrue is still on the team?

[Milbucks96]

Im of the belief that you can’t just hard work your way into a serviceable jumper. You either have the touch or you don’t. While Steph and even Seth surely benefited from having an nba dad for training and resources to become great shooters, I would bet his genetics played a bigger factor in them being able to hit half the 3’s they take.

Hand-eye coordination, certain muscles firing at the right time, levels of strength in other muscles etc. I think it’s more than just practicing a certain form or releasing at the right height. I just refuse to believe that guys like Giannis, Westbrook, and other hardworking, non-shooters need to practice more to become good at it.

[ShootingtheJ]

No one thought he could shoot. Seems like it was consensus. So without the benefit of knowing that he might now be able to shoot, is that a good fit for a team with Giannis on it? Feels like we really value shooting

Numerous reports stated he shot extremely well in workouts. He worked out with the Bucks. I've learned from Herb Jones that shooting can be improved when it's the sole focus.

If we value shooting, then how in the hell did we pick AJ Johnson?

[ShootingtheJ]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

The young dudes were hooping all summer. Let's wait and see.. maybe they just need another chance

Did you miss the preseason? They're all awful. I wasn't convinced last year, but with the larger sample size, it's official: Horst can't draft

[ShootingtheJ]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

Come on dude. Giannis works out constantly, including working on his jumper. He also works on his dribble moves, his handle, his finishes, and obviously, his body. His mid range shooting numbers were up last year, and are up again this year.

[Daver]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

Come on dude. Giannis works out constantly, including working on his jumper. He also works on his dribble moves, his handle, his finishes, and obviously, his body. His mid range shooting numbers were up last year, and are up again this year.

Ok fine thrlen spend the next to off seasons working on the fts then.His ft shooting will cost the bucks games as it did last year.Say what you will ive seen zero improvement in his dribbling his handles and his jumper

[Daver]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

Come on dude. Giannis works out constantly, including working on his jumper. He also works on his dribble moves, his handle, his finishes, and obviously, his body. His mid range shooting numbers were up last year, and are up again this year.

Maybe instead of him working on his body.Maybe he shoukd work on his cardio more dude gets tired 5 mins into a game

[ShootingtheJ]

Spynds like our MVP been in the keague 9 years not 2 or 3 n still cant spend anytime in the off season working on the huge holes in his game.
Remrmber when kawhi first was drafted i read where he spent the 1st 3 off seasons working on his jump shot.
Maybe im wrong but i have never heard or read anywhere where giannis spent any off season doing anything

Come on dude. Giannis works out constantly, including working on his jumper. He also works on his dribble moves, his handle, his finishes, and obviously, his body. His mid range shooting numbers were up last year, and are up again this year.

Maybe instead of him working on his body.Maybe he shoukd work on his cardio more dude gets tired 5 mins into a game

So he let himself be less effective so he can look less winded?

[BUCKnation]

I really like the potential of AJJ but Dunn was my #1 guy and a perfect fit right now. I don’t remember exactly but was there a legit threat AJJ wouldn’t be there at 33?

[drone3]

Dunn was our consensus pick..but horstle playing horst

[msiris]

Can Dame net us anything?

[ReasonablySober]

Its bewildering to me that MarJon and Andre may find themselves out of the league soon for not bothering to spend an offseason fixing their jumper by seeking out Brickley or another shot doctor

Is there any evidence that Ajax's jumper is one that needs fixing?

[paulpressey25]

Can Dame net us anything?

It will be like the Harden trade by Philly. You’ll get something valuable back, but it will be about 60 cents on the dollar for what you gave up. You need to find a contender that is willing to turn their whole identity over to Dame.

[msiris]

Can Dame net us anything?

It will be like the Harden trade by Philly. You’ll get something valuable back, but it will be about 60 cents on the dollar for what you gave up. You need to find a contender that is willing to turn their whole identity over to Dame.

I am ready to move on from him. He is pretty much a 3pt chucker.

[raferfenix]

Ok. Maybe don’t trade our first.

If we can deal Bobby for an athletic defender (Keon Ellis is my best guess as a target) do it.

[Ron Swanson]

On one hand it feels like we really need Bobby's scoring with the offense so mucked up and Middleton still sidelined. On the other, he's become such a lineup killer on defense that I don't know where you can feasibly hide him on that end anymore. It's....a conundrum.