OT: USA 2024 Elections Thread Part # 2 (November 5th is Election Day!)

[Stannis]

You mean our Most Bestest Friend Israel is interfering in our elections?

This is such an easy decision for Kamala and yet … nothing. She’s afraid of the Israeli lobby AIPAC. Israel has infiltrated all levels of our government and media.

It does not deserve any further support. Not one US troop should die for Israel. Let it rot. It’s an ethno-state genocidal theocracy

Yep... "Our Greatest Ally". Must support them at all cost. Even if it means them trying to sabotage your election chances.

[Stannis]

Just received, I wonder if they are after me as I’m not registered with either party or if the old records had me as a Dem.

“Team Harris Walz here. This is the last weekend to get out the early vote in several battleground states that will decide this election. The campaign needs to call 10 million voters across those states. Can we count on you to make calls with us?

Get started here: https://txt.democrats.org/5wcv stop to quit”


I’m sure I opted out of these text's before, may need to report this to the authorities.

If you wouldn't mind... reply back and ask them what their stance is on the genocide in Gaza. I'm curious if the responses are more serious in battleground states.

I asked my local politicians and got the generic spiel. Basically them rationalizing that 10,000 Arab lives = 1 white life

[Stannis]

The posts are laughable at this point, as if you, Zenzibar, Stannis needs a good “talking to” to get you back in line. No respect for a person being capable of making their own choice.

Muslims in anything related to US politics are treated like dogs right now.

Linda Sarsour campaigned her heart out for democrats in 2020 and got humiliated right afterwards. Then Rashida and Ilhan Omar. Recently, Kamala campaign then kicks out a Muslim at a rally.

Now Muslims voters are called vile names everywhere, even in this thread. apparently they are all "dumbasses". Whatever that Muslim ban was in 2016-2020 doesn't compare to having to watch this genocide, then be told it's actually mercy.

If anything, democrats should be thanking Muslims since they still vote majorly blue despite dems doing nothing but pointing and saying "dis guy worse". It probably won't be the 85% like 2020. But I'm betting it's still over the 60% mark.

I said it once, and I'll say it again. You can't burn these people alive and wonder they aren't as willing to vote democrat again.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm sure the Republicans will take good care of them and all their concerns.
Dumbasses.

Mr. Muslim Ban is a staunch supporter of Muslims.

Christ. This needs to end.

If either of you read the article, you'd know that of all the people interviewed, maybe one said he would vote for Trump. And that was him saying if he was forced to vote and those were his only two options.

Are they going to abstain from voting? Or voting 3rd party?

[HarthorneWingo]

You mean our Most Bestest Friend Israel is interfering in our elections?

This is such an easy decision for Kamala and yet … nothing. She’s afraid of the Israeli lobby AIPAC. Israel has infiltrated all levels of our government and media.

It does not deserve any further support. Not one US troop should die for Israel. Let it rot. It’s an ethno-state genocidal theocracy

Yep... "Our Greatest Ally". Must support them at all cost. Even if it means them trying to sabotage your election chances.

No one can say anything about Israel in the U.S. Tenured professors are being fired. College students, our future, being arrested for exercising their First Amendment rights. Meanwhile, Israel is assassinating U.S. citizens and journalists and UN, Irish, and other peacekeeping troops. But will Kamala take a stand? Nope. But they want our votes so they can keep on ethnically cleaning Muslims. The freaking INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OF THAT LAND! GTFO OF PALESTINE UNLESS YOU WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE WITH THE PALESTINIANS.

[HarthorneWingo]

Mr. Muslim Ban is a staunch supporter of Muslims.

Christ. This needs to end.

If either of you read the article, you'd know that of all the people interviewed, maybe one said he would vote for Trump. And that was him saying if he was forced to vote and those were his only two options.

Are they going to abstain from voting? Or voting 3rd party?

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than that of the present administration.

[HarthorneWingo]

What we should be doing is making peace with all of the Arab countries in the region instead of Israel. We can then end the mistake we made in 1947 while making peace with an entire region. Now THAT would be smart politics.

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[Stannis]

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than the present administration.

In that article? I read maybe one that said he was going to vote for Trump. Maybe 1 and a half tops, but the other basically just said the war and genocide happened under Biden and not Trump. It wasn't really them stating their vote.

[HarthorneWingo]

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than the present administration.

In that article? I read maybe one that said he was going to vote for Trump. Maybe 1 and a half tops, but the other basically just said the war and genocide happened under Biden and not Trump. It wasn't really them stating their vote.

No, just reports I'm seeing on youtube. I don't have any stats.

Did you see this from today or yesterday? I want to choke Mathew Miller. Check out the smirk he put on his face.

EDIT: Wow! YouTube is restricting access to pro Palestinian videos.

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[Stannis]

No, just reports I'm seeing on youtube. I don't have any stats.

Did you see this from today or yesterday? I want to choke Mathew Miller. Check out the smirk he put on his face.

EDIT: Wow! YouTube is restricting access to pro Palestinian videos.

Yeah, if we are talking about the same ones, I have a suspicion that they are Arab Zionist (they are enough of them like the Saudi Prince) and/or anti-Shias. Maybe they were even bought out by MBS to endorse Trump. And one of those on stage was even a former Marine. So I'm guessing they want to work with Zionists to kill/suppress the Iran/Shia influence that has been spreading due to them being the only ones defending the people of Gaza and now Lebanon.

From my research, the Sunni elite class is starting to really fear Iran and the Shias. Because the overwhelming population of these nations are still very pro-Palestine, it's just that the elite classes are not.

As far Matthew Miller. The man is an absolute joke. And I already said it before, if dems want to take this issue seriously moving forward, they need to get this guy the hell out of there. He's the first face many people see when they get the news on the subject. What the hell is this administration even doing at this point??

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[HarthorneWingo]

Here’s another POS Democrat, NY Congressman Ritchie Torres, who’s running for re-election. He supports Israel more than he does the New York or our country. AUPAC paid him off.

We need to get AIPAC - a foreign agent - out of our elections. We also desperately need election campaign finance reform. (LOL like that’s ever going to happen).

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[Stannis]

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[Stannis]

Here’s another POS Democrat, NY Congressman Ritchie Torres, who’s running for re-election. He supports Israel more than he does the New York or our country. AUPAC paid him off.

We need to get AIPAC - a foreign agent - out of our elections. We also desperately need election campaign finance reform. (LOL like that’s ever going to happen).

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100% with you. Have you seen this one?

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Mondaire Jones (sadly) even endorsed that Latimer guy over Jamaal Bowman, and is a staunch Israel support himself. Yet, this debate still turned into who loves Israel the most.

Our country has turned into an absolute joke. Imagine living in this district, and having to listen to this crap. This is what your everyday Americans are going through, now imagine the ones who were just hit by the Hurricanes.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Right! Ryan Grim was one of the reports. lol.

Check this out! Recent polling from CAIR:

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-swing-state-data-shows-muslim-voters-hold-diverse-preferences-still-up-for-grabs-in-2024/

Key Survey Findings:

Overall: CAIR’s initial August 25-27 survey revealed that 29.4% of American Muslims plan to vote for Kamala Harris of the Democratic Party, virtually tied with Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party, who follows closely with 29.1%. At the same time, Donald Trump of the Republican Party garners 11.2% of the vote, and Dr. Cornel West of the People’s Party receives 4.2%. Chase Oliver of the Libertarian Party has less than 1% support, with 16.5% of respondents remaining undecided.
Battleground States:

Dr. Stein is leading Harris in Arizona (35%) Michigan (40%) and Wisconsin (44%), while Harris leads Stein in Georgia (43%) and Pennsylvania (37%). Trump’s highest support is observed in Nevada (27%), just ahead of Harris (26%).

Gender: Kamala Harris leads among Muslim male voters with 29%, while Dr. Jill Stein holds a stronger position among Muslim women at 34%. Donald Trump has similar levels of support among men (14%) and women (10%). Additionally, a higher proportion of men (17%) are undecided compared to women (16%).

Racial Demographics: Kamala Harris is supported by 55.3% of Black Muslim voters, 28% of Asian Muslims, and 25.6% of White, Arab, and Turkic Muslims. Dr. Jill Stein is supported by 32.7% of White, Arab, and Turkic Muslim voters, 25.7% of Asian Muslims, and 11.2% of Black Muslim voters. Donald Trump is supported by 12.8% of White, Arab, and Turkic Muslims, 12.6% of Asian Muslims, and 9.8% of Black Muslim voters.

Party Affiliation: Harris slightly leads among Democrats (33%) and Independents (30%), while Dr. Stein also garners significant support from these groups (32% and 28% respectively). Donald Trump’s highest support comes from Republicans (48%).

Likelihood of Voting: Harris attracts a higher proportion of high-likelihood voters (33%), whereas Dr. Stein has a significant share of moderate-likelihood voters (65%). Trump’s support is concentrated among high-likelihood voters (13%).

Support for Third Parties: Overall, support for third-party candidates (Stein and West) comes from both Muslim Democrats and Republicans, indicating discontent with both parties’ platforms on the issues that Muslim Americans prioritize.

“These new survey findings make it clear that American Muslim voters have the potential to determine the outcomes in several key battleground states and that they are still up for grabs in the 2024 election,” said CAIR Government Affairs Director Robert S. McCaw. “Candidates running for office cannot afford to overlook the issues that matter most to Muslim Americans. Ignoring this community or taking their votes for granted could be a costly mistake, particularly in swing states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada and Wisconsin, where elections are often won by narrow margins. It’s time for candidates at every level of government to invest more time and resources in understanding the concerns of Muslim voters.”

[DOT]

Personally, I think it's become incredibly obvious the people who would vote Dem under most circumstances but can't justify it for moral reasons this time around, and people who were never gonna vote Dem and are just using Palestine as an excuse to continue to not do so

The former are people you can reason with, the latter are not. Some people in this thread would vote Dem if Dems reversed their stance on Israel, but some would not, they would just find some other reason to stay home.

[MrDollarBills]

If either of you read the article, you'd know that of all the people interviewed, maybe one said he would vote for Trump. And that was him saying if he was forced to vote and those were his only two options.

Are they going to abstain from voting? Or voting 3rd party?

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than the present administration.

I agree. It would help.

I frankly think that in light of the fact that Trump and Bibi are working together, she should call it out and say that she will not support continued funding for Israeli aggression at the cost of peace.

However I'm not in her position and there are probably multiple reasons why she can't go further than calling for a cease fire. She's the VP still. She can't undercut the administration. I don't think we can dismiss that fact.

She knows fully well that Trump and Bibi are working together. However, I can't imagine what the press headlines would be tomorrow if she would do what we want her to do. We can't also discount the fact that there are people voting for her who support Israel. This is the issue with having a massive catch all tent coalition politically in order to defeat Trumpism: the candidate has to walk a narrow tight rope.

I'm just being honest about the situation. I don't like any of this. But defeating Trump is my #1 focus at this moment.

[HarthorneWingo]

Are they going to abstain from voting? Or voting 3rd party?

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than the present administration.

I agree. It would help.

I frankly think that in light of the fact that Trump and Bibi are working together, she should call it out and say that she will not support continued funding for Israeli aggression at the cost of peace.

However I'm not in her position and there are probably multiple reasons why she can't go further than calling for a cease fire. She's the VP still. She can't undercut the administration. I don't think we can dismiss that fact.

She knows fully well that Trump and Bibi are working together. However, I can't imagine what the press headlines would be tomorrow if she would do what we want her to do. We can't also discount the fact that there are people voting for her who support Israel. This is the issue with having a massive catch all tent coalition politically in order to defeat Trumpism: the candidate has to walk a narrow tight rope.

I'm just being honest about the situation. I don't like any of this. But defeating Trump is my #1 focus at this moment.

Then they'll just vote 3rd Party or abstain. Asking Muslims to vote for Harris, who supports Netanyahu, is like asking Jews to vote for Hitler. Some Muslims think that Trump is just blowing smoke at Netanyahu just to get the Israeli vote and that he'll never send American troops into the minefield of the Middle East. Honestly, I can see the logic in that because I don't think that Trump has the guts to send U.S. troops into harms way in another protracted quagmire in the ME again. Plus, Daddy Putin will tell him stay seated at the table while the grownups handle this mess.

[HarthorneWingo]

How about Germany giving up half its land to Israelis. Now that would be fair. We can even throw in Ohio or North Dakota.

[MrDollarBills]

Some, incredulously, claim to be voting for Trump. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps they're confused or have been bamboozled into believing that he'll be better. He won't. But it does serve to show how fcking pissed off they are at the Harris. Others may vote third party, others will abstain, and others will vote for Harris. It's a mishmash at this point. It would help if she took a position different than the present administration.

I agree. It would help.

I frankly think that in light of the fact that Trump and Bibi are working together, she should call it out and say that she will not support continued funding for Israeli aggression at the cost of peace.

However I'm not in her position and there are probably multiple reasons why she can't go further than calling for a cease fire. She's the VP still. She can't undercut the administration. I don't think we can dismiss that fact.

She knows fully well that Trump and Bibi are working together. However, I can't imagine what the press headlines would be tomorrow if she would do what we want her to do. We can't also discount the fact that there are people voting for her who support Israel. This is the issue with having a massive catch all tent coalition politically in order to defeat Trumpism: the candidate has to walk a narrow tight rope.

I'm just being honest about the situation. I don't like any of this. But defeating Trump is my #1 focus at this moment.

Then they'll just vote 3rd Party or abstain. Asking Muslims to vote for Harris, who supports Netanyahu, is like asking Jews to vote for Hitler. Some Muslims think that Trump is just blowing smoke at Netanyahu just to get the Israeli vote and that he'll never send American troops into the minefield of the Middle East. Honestly, I can see the logic in that because I don't think that Trump has the guts to send U.S. troops into harms way in another protracted quagmire in the ME again. Plus, Daddy Putin will tell him stay seated at the table while the grownups handle this mess.

If they're voting 3rd party or abstaining, then they are supporting Trump.

Also, comparing a vote for Harris to a vote for Hitler, while knowing full well that Trump is working with Netanyahu, and then trying to gaslight me about what Trump will do while he's threatening to do a bunch of crazy sh*t is all I needed to hear.

You must really think that I'm f*cking stupid.

I understand now why you refused to answer the previous questions.

Take care Wingo. This is where i disengage because this is a bad faith argument.