PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

[prophet_of_rage]

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They will as long as Hart is healthy. He needs a runway to get thwre and will do it. Bridges could do it as well.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Get a grip it’s game three …Randle was smooth brained loser whose lack of. defense was only dwarfed by his inability to play in big games….

Randle was a loser
Carmelo was a loser


You don’t win with me first players

Brunson is me first.

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me first also refers to self accountability and willingness to team integrate and both the former were glaringly obstinate

Brunson just froze out KAT. He didn't pass to Robinson much at all last year He's just a smoother talker but he isn't much different than any other alpha in basketball.

Everybody os a loser until.they win.

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[prophet_of_rage]

feels like Thibs just has no idea how to use Kat and make no mistake about it, he benched Kat twice this game in favor of huk. it wasn't to get Kat a breather, he didn't like how Kat was defending and preferred a traditional big.

For Kat to have an impact he has to be producing on offense. it should not be very complicated either. stop the freelancing and install set plays in the offense. unfortunately we've seen Thibs offense for years so i'm not holding my breath.

just pay attention to any out of bounds or after timeout plays and the success rates. we don't run actual plays.

A Thibs big has a very limited role.

KAT needs to be the 4 but NBA money politics won't let you start a Huk when you have 200 mil Anunoby and 23 mil Bridges and 20 mil Hart.

We might be stuck until Robinson comes back and Hart most likely goes to the bench. If we trade Mitch and makenTowns our full time 5 ... welp, we're done.

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[mpharris36]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

Donte was a really high volume 3 point shooter and he just let it rip

Hart isn't high volume. And Mikal isn't high volume. And neither is OG.

So unless Brunson or KAT takes a bunch I don't think we will be up there.

But its up to Thibs to scheme stuff for KAT and Brunson and the teammates to look for him. So many times I think they are automatically conditioned not to find a big spacing the floor. They just assume they can't shoot. Gotta swing it to KAT if bigs are in drop coverage.

[thebuzzardman]

Lost money betting on the Knicks. They should’ve won by double digits.

Betting is bad for you. Please don’t take that as an offense, and I know it’s none of my business, but if you can, try to stop.

I agree. However, if you are going to bet on sports, never bet on your teams because you'll be biased. When I was betting, I made it a point not to bet on the Knicks, Mets or Jets. Too invested and I know i won't be objective

Always a good idea to bet against the Jets

[thebuzzardman]

It's only 3 games family...you havent seen "this team" yet. They need games to develop..

Looks like I'll start watching around game 30 then.

[thebuzzardman]

Can we all just agree Sims sucks?

[Wildcat]

Losing sucks - feels bad.

Guess that comes with having high expectations for this team. Should be a fun year seeing how everything comes together.

Just hope the team can stay healthy. They didn't survive the bench mins well at all. But Brunson playing so poorly didn't help at all.

Re the bench, we could use Kolek instead of Payne. Expect it at some point.

As much as I want Kolek there, he's not quite ready. He looked spooked in his last game. Payne is playing exactly how I expected him to play, which is not a good thing. This team doesn't need a shoot first PG off the bench. Payne came in and suddenly Bridges and Deuce were left out in the cold. Not happy about that.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

Donte was a really high volume 3 point shooter and he just let it rip

Hart isn't high volume. And Mikal isn't high volume. And neither is OG.

So unless Brunson or KAT takes a bunch I don't think we will be up there.

But its up to Thibs to scheme stuff for KAT and Brunson and the teammates to look for him. So many times I think they are automatically conditioned not to find a big spacing the floor. They just assume they can't shoot. Gotta swing it to KAT if bigs are in drop coverage.

OG isn't high volume however, he was averaging 6 per game the 4 seasons before he was traded here, he gets here and now he's taking 4 per game. Mikal averaged 7.2 threes per game last year, that's down to 4.7 this year, KAT is down to his second lowest attempts per game.

Dontes shooting should be replaced by group shooting and the fact the C spot went from taking none to what should be 5-7 per game. This is absolutely a scheme and coaching issue, the Bulls are firing up threes like their lives depend on it and we have better shooters than them.

[Enzo954]

IMO Brunson has shot creators all around him likes he's never had before. He needs to quit the hero ball crap and move the rock when he's not being efficient.

[Chanel Bomber]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

It's early in the season but our issues so far stem from Thibs moreso than our personnel.

KAT getting 8 FGAs in a game is unacceptable. He's our most efficient scoring option. It's on Brunson too, and I'm glad he took responsibility, but the offense should be designed to funnel the ball to KAT for at least 15-16 FGAs per game.

This offense simply does not generate enough 3s so far.

If Thibs can't get into the top 10 in 3FGAs with this roster, then he needs to go. And I'm someone who's defended him over the last couple of seasons.

It's early days so I'm not saying they should make that decision now. But if in March we're not in the top half in 3s attempted, I think there will be something fundamentally wrong with how this team is coached.

[whocares1]

It's only 3 games family...you havent seen "this team" yet. They need games to develop..

Looks like I'll start watching around game 30 then.

Probably by like Game 15 the Knicks should have a feel for things. Even without our offense figured out, we win that game if it wasnt for Garland going insane.

[Chanel Bomber]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

Donte was a really high volume 3 point shooter and he just let it rip

Hart isn't high volume. And Mikal isn't high volume. And neither is OG.

So unless Brunson or KAT takes a bunch I don't think we will be up there.

But its up to Thibs to scheme stuff for KAT and Brunson and the teammates to look for him. So many times I think they are automatically conditioned not to find a big spacing the floor. They just assume they can't shoot. Gotta swing it to KAT if bigs are in drop coverage.

OG isn't high volume however, he was averaging 6 per game the 4 seasons before he was traded here, he gets here and now he's taking 4 per game. Mikal averaged 7.2 threes per game last year, that's down to 4.7 this year, KAT is down to his second lowest attempts per game.

Dontes shooting should be replaced by group shooting and the fact the C spot went from taking none to what should be 5-7 per game. This is absolutely a scheme and coaching issue, the Bulls are firing up threes like their lives depend on it and we have better shooters than them.

I think what we miss from losing Donte is the movement off the ball and how quickly he could relocate and get himself open. Our starting lineup is heavier and more predictable on the weak side.

Nevertheless, it's not an excuse for taking so few 3-pointers.

KAT should be attempting at least 5 or 6 per game.

[prophet_of_rage]

Losing sucks - feels bad.

Guess that comes with having high expectations for this team. Should be a fun year seeing how everything comes together.

Just hope the team can stay healthy. They didn't survive the bench mins well at all. But Brunson playing so poorly didn't help at all.

Re the bench, we could use Kolek instead of Payne. Expect it at some point.

As much as I want Kolek there, he's not quite ready. He looked spooked in his last game. Payne is playing exactly how I expected him to play, which is not a good thing. This team doesn't need a shoot first PG off the bench. Payne came in and suddenly Bridges and Deuce were left out in the cold. Not happy about that.

Thibs doesn't coach variety. His subs are usually just worse versions of his starters. It is part of the reason his teams dont adjust

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[Context]

Can we all just agree Sims sucks?

If it were up to me I’d let Huk have his minutes…

[Chanel Bomber]

Brunson is absolutely a me-first player.

He only gets a pass because he's good at it. Which is fair.

But he will have to adjust his game a bit to get the most out of his partnership with KAT, which would increase our odds of winning games.

Giannis didn't want to make sacrifices with Dame and their partnership has (so far) failed as a result. Kobe made sure to trust and empower Gasol in the post and it made both of them better.

So there is a Brunson question there. Taking responsibility is great but he was groomed to know how to handle the NBA media. We will need to see it in the games. I'm cautiously optimistic he'll make the necessary adjustments.

[prophet_of_rage]

IMO Brunson has shot creators all around him likes he's never had before. He needs to quit the hero ball crap and move the rock when he's not being efficient.

Brunson has been hero ball all last season. Someone needs to take the ball from him. That could be Hart.

I'm seeing why Donte went at Rick Brunson.

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[Wildcat]

Can we all just agree Sims sucks?

If it were up to me I’d let Huk have his minutes…

Yesterday seems like we got our wish. I hope Thibs saw enough to keep him in the rotation.

[mpharris36]

We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

Donte was a really high volume 3 point shooter and he just let it rip

Hart isn't high volume. And Mikal isn't high volume. And neither is OG.

So unless Brunson or KAT takes a bunch I don't think we will be up there.

But its up to Thibs to scheme stuff for KAT and Brunson and the teammates to look for him. So many times I think they are automatically conditioned not to find a big spacing the floor. They just assume they can't shoot. Gotta swing it to KAT if bigs are in drop coverage.

OG isn't high volume however, he was averaging 6 per game the 4 seasons before he was traded here, he gets here and now he's taking 4 per game. Mikal averaged 7.2 threes per game last year, that's down to 4.7 this year, KAT is down to his second lowest attempts per game.

Dontes shooting should be replaced by group shooting and the fact the C spot went from taking none to what should be 5-7 per game. This is absolutely a scheme and coaching issue, the Bulls are firing up threes like their lives depend on it and we have better shooters than them.

Yeah I don't want to put it just on there historical volume as you pointed out. Career wise they have typically shot more. Part on thibs and then also part on brunson. He was so use to doing everything offensively at end of last year and playoffs...someties the tough floater in the lane isn't the best look. He can kick it back out for an open 3 because we have the guys to hit them.

Brunson held himself accountable but THibs needs to scheme some better sh*t as well.