PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT?

[DOT]

We don't take enough 3s, but I genuinely don't think that's the problem

We have the 3rd most efficient offense in the league, but the absolute least efficient defense. It's just we're the slowest team in the league so both ppg and opponent ppg numbers look average

Brunson/KAT is an exploitable matchup in the PnR. We have 2 great wing defenders and a guy who has legitimately infinite stamina, I know I'm a hater but it's genuinely on Thibs to get them on the same page so we rotate correctly.

[mpharris36]

Brunson is absolutely a me-first player.

He only gets a pass because he's good at it. Which is fair.

But he will have to adjust his game a bit to get the most out of his partnership with KAT, which would increase our odds of winning games.

Giannis didn't want to make sacrifices with Dame and their partnership has (so far) failed as a result. Kobe made sure to trust and empower Gasol in the post and it made both of them better.

So there is a Brunson question there. Taking responsibility is great but he was groomed to know how to handle the NBA media. We will need to see it in the games. I'm cautiously optimistic he'll make the necessary adjustments.

Yeah before when it was him and Randle it was more you take a turn I take a turn because both players thrive in isolation.

KAT needs Brunson to work off him. He should come into every game getting his guys involved and that will just make the game easier for him down the stretch when he can take over.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Donte was a really high volume 3 point shooter and he just let it rip

Hart isn't high volume. And Mikal isn't high volume. And neither is OG.

So unless Brunson or KAT takes a bunch I don't think we will be up there.

But its up to Thibs to scheme stuff for KAT and Brunson and the teammates to look for him. So many times I think they are automatically conditioned not to find a big spacing the floor. They just assume they can't shoot. Gotta swing it to KAT if bigs are in drop coverage.

OG isn't high volume however, he was averaging 6 per game the 4 seasons before he was traded here, he gets here and now he's taking 4 per game. Mikal averaged 7.2 threes per game last year, that's down to 4.7 this year, KAT is down to his second lowest attempts per game.

Dontes shooting should be replaced by group shooting and the fact the C spot went from taking none to what should be 5-7 per game. This is absolutely a scheme and coaching issue, the Bulls are firing up threes like their lives depend on it and we have better shooters than them.

I think what we miss from losing Donte is the movement off the ball and how quickly he could relocate and get himself open. Our starting lineup is heavier and more predictable on the weak side.

Nevertheless, it's not an excuse for taking so few 3-pointers.

KAT should be attempting at least 5 or 6 per game.

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This man is talking about generating more layups when we're dead last in threes. As though the spacing should be used to generate more 2s, when it should be used to generate a higher volume of three point attempts.

[j4remi]

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- I'm more concerned with KAT's defense than his lack of FGAs, mainly because I'm confident the FGA's will sort themselves out.

- I'm a little annoyed that the team got away from Mikal, who was torching cross matchups all night and often had Garland to abuse.

- The bench needs more than one productive player. Deuce had 14 points, Payne had 6 points on 7 rushed attempts, and no one else scored.

- I like Hukporti...he challenged everything at the rim, and he's ALWAYS looking to box out. Hart's outburst in the second-quarter was boosted by Huk clearing out a ton of space for Hart to fly into.

- Despite all the doom and gloom, this game probably goes differently if Brunson doesn't get a clash of knees in the third quarter or Hart doesn't take two hard fouls that knock him out of the game in the late fourth.

- I hope things look different when we get Precious back and eventually Mitch, but I'm a little nervous since Thibs is a creature of a habit.

[Chanel Bomber]

OG isn't high volume however, he was averaging 6 per game the 4 seasons before he was traded here, he gets here and now he's taking 4 per game. Mikal averaged 7.2 threes per game last year, that's down to 4.7 this year, KAT is down to his second lowest attempts per game.

Dontes shooting should be replaced by group shooting and the fact the C spot went from taking none to what should be 5-7 per game. This is absolutely a scheme and coaching issue, the Bulls are firing up threes like their lives depend on it and we have better shooters than them.

I think what we miss from losing Donte is the movement off the ball and how quickly he could relocate and get himself open. Our starting lineup is heavier and more predictable on the weak side.

Nevertheless, it's not an excuse for taking so few 3-pointers.

KAT should be attempting at least 5 or 6 per game.

This doesn't exactly give me confidence

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This man is talking about generating more layups when we're dead last in threes. As though the spacing should be used to generate more 2s, when it should be used to generate a higher volume of three point attempts.

This answer doesn't overly worry me in the sense that layups are still more efficient than 3s. More rim pressure and better decisions in the paint should unlock more 3s, and I think it's partly what he's alluding to here as well.

[G_K_F]

KAT has disappeared in offenses before.

He had low FGA games with the T Wolves as well.

He's not aggressive on offense. He's lost on defense.

Last night at the end of the game in a crucial possession he was standing 40 feet away from the basket at the top of the key watching Brunson drive to the basket.

I think we changed our entire dynamic going from Hartenstein to Towns and I think it will absolutely negatively affect us moving forward on offense, defense and rebounding.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think what we miss from losing Donte is the movement off the ball and how quickly he could relocate and get himself open. Our starting lineup is heavier and more predictable on the weak side.

Nevertheless, it's not an excuse for taking so few 3-pointers.

KAT should be attempting at least 5 or 6 per game.

This doesn't exactly give me confidence

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This man is talking about generating more layups when we're dead last in threes. As though the spacing should be used to generate more 2s, when it should be used to generate a higher volume of three point attempts.

This answer doesn't overly worry me in the sense that layups are still more efficient than 3s. More rim pressure and better decisions in the paint should unlock more 3s, and I think it's partly what he's alluding to here as well.

You're hoping that's what he's alluding too, but we were posting KAT up like it's 1993, so I'm not really sure what he's trying to do on offense.


Also, I know everyone loves Hart, but in 2 games now the opponents have basically let his defender roam. Mobley on Hart was a big issue, we had a 101 ORTG with Josh on the court last night, his sheer unwillingness to let the three fly is something teams with a mobile big and wing defenders can take advantage of.

[Context]

It's only 3 games family...you havent seen "this team" yet. They need games to develop..

Looks like I'll start watching around game 30 then.

Probably by like Game 15 the Knicks should have a feel for things. Even without our offense figured out, we win that game if it wasnt for Garland going insane.

I think we would have won if Hart was still in the game...

[The Vo Show]

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- I'm more concerned with KAT's defense than his lack of FGAs, mainly because I'm confident the FGA's will sort themselves out.

- I'm a little annoyed that the team got away from Mikal, who was torching cross matchups all night and often had Garland to abuse.

- The bench needs more than one productive player. Deuce had 14 points, Payne had 6 points on 7 rushed attempts, and no one else scored.

- I like Hukporti...he challenged everything at the rim, and he's ALWAYS looking to box out. Hart's outburst in the second-quarter was boosted by Huk clearing out a ton of space for Hart to fly into.

- Despite all the doom and gloom, this game probably goes differently if Brunson doesn't get a clash of knees in the third quarter or Hart doesn't take two hard fouls that knock him out of the game in the late fourth.

- I hope things look different when we get Precious back and eventually Mitch, but I'm a little nervous since Thibs is a creature of a habit.

Watching KAT get scored on for like 5 mins in the 3rd wasn't fun. He's fast enough and strong enough to handle Mobley and yet Mobley just scored on him at will. Was very odd to watch him let Mobley get position 1 dribble away from the basket, get an entry pass, and turn and score. It was like he didn't know how to defend a post player.

[X-Man Cometh]

Should’ve went after Lowry instead of Payne.

KAT has to be more assertive on offense, too. Randle, for better or worse, would have demanded the ball more.

Also, sad to remember that Mitch ate Mobley and Allen for lunch in those playoffs. He looked like prime Bill Russell. KAT can’t do that. Maybe playing him together with Huk would’ve helped.

[KnixinSix]

Brunson is absolutely a me-first player.

He only gets a pass because he's good at it. Which is fair.

But he will have to adjust his game a bit to get the most out of his partnership with KAT, which would increase our odds of winning games.

Giannis didn't want to make sacrifices with Dame and their partnership has (so far) failed as a result. Kobe made sure to trust and empower Gasol in the post and it made both of them better.

So there is a Brunson question there. Taking responsibility is great but he was groomed to know how to handle the NBA media. We will need to see it in the games. I'm cautiously optimistic he'll make the necessary adjustments.

Yeah before when it was him and Randle it was more you take a turn I take a turn because both players thrive in isolation.

KAT needs Brunson to work off him. He should come into every game getting his guys involved and that will just make the game easier for him down the stretch when he can take over.

This chemistry thing is not an overrated thing. It is very real.

People are going to freak out game in and game out because they only look at the snapshots (often because of the desire to see their team winning in that moment) but not the whole picture.

This tapestry is not finished by a longshot.

If it fails it may be more an indictment on the coaching than the talent. There are so many ways a team with this much talent can be successful.

But it requires players learning how to play with each other, what each other's best roles are and the coaches to establish a system that puts these players in best positions to utilize their skill sets.

It might be a combination of things too . Where KAT is sometimes at the 4 or the 5 depending on matchups. Last night was a time to create open 3s and we barely shot any. We have great 3 point shooters on this team. Until Proven otherwise Thibs is a stud coach when he can run his preferred system of drop coverage and close out on the 3. He may be forced get used to trying things he doesn't like to run as much for the betterment of the team.

In any event they are finding their way right now. Like I said before that historically talented Miami heat team when they assembled in 2010 they started barely over .500 in their first 17 games. People were screaming they were a failure and fire Spoelstra Lol.

[TheGreenArrow]

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Twolves guys making fun of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs needs to get it together and figure this out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chanel Bomber]

This doesn't exactly give me confidence

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This man is talking about generating more layups when we're dead last in threes. As though the spacing should be used to generate more 2s, when it should be used to generate a higher volume of three point attempts.

This answer doesn't overly worry me in the sense that layups are still more efficient than 3s. More rim pressure and better decisions in the paint should unlock more 3s, and I think it's partly what he's alluding to here as well.

You're hoping that's what he's alluding too, but we were posting KAT up like it's 1993, so I'm not really sure what he's trying to do on offense.


Also, I know everyone loves Hart, but in 2 games now the opponents have basically let his defender roam. Mobley on Hart was a big issue, we had a 101 ORTG with Josh on the court last night, his sheer unwillingness to let the three fly is something teams with a mobile big and wing defenders can take advantage of.

Yes, that's a fair observation. Hart is my favorite Knick (with Mitch) but to me should be coming off the bench. He should be a guy you have the option to play crunch-time minutes depending on how the game is going and his impact on the floor, but without having to entirely depend on him.

[DaGawd]

the irony of the trades is that we might need a different coach in here to best utilize this new roster…. go figure

[WargamesX]

You can tell Jalen cares, and he knows he was a big cause of the loss. Last year he played with Randle who would demand the ball and get his own shot, before that it was Luka who was the same way. KaT is different in that he has to feed him because he is a more traditional big in that he can get his shot but he isn't nearly as ball dominant.

[KnixinSix]

This answer doesn't overly worry me in the sense that layups are still more efficient than 3s. More rim pressure and better decisions in the paint should unlock more 3s, and I think it's partly what he's alluding to here as well.

You're hoping that's what he's alluding too, but we were posting KAT up like it's 1993, so I'm not really sure what he's trying to do on offense.


Also, I know everyone loves Hart, but in 2 games now the opponents have basically let his defender roam. Mobley on Hart was a big issue, we had a 101 ORTG with Josh on the court last night, his sheer unwillingness to let the three fly is something teams with a mobile big and wing defenders can take advantage of.

Yes, that's a fair observation. Hart is my favorite Knick (with Mitch) but to me should be coming off the bench. He should be a guy you have the option to play crunch-time minutes depending on how the game is going and his impact on the floor, but without having to entirely depend on him.

Last night was not a time to force it in the paint it was a time to create open looks from 3 with all our 3 point shooters.

[jvsimonetti0514]

In the role we need. This is a total build around Jalen which is a mistake for the basketball reasons I set out from the announcement of the trade.

KAT doesn't create with the ball or callapse a defence like Randle. We need somebody who can do that.

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He does play drive and kick a lot, which is also the only way of creating Randle does.

He doesn't do it as well because he doesn't drag the help defence as much as Randle did. KAT right now is being forced i tot he Randle role without being suited for it becauae they basically had their training camp ready and like the soap operas the part of Julius Randle is now being played by Karl Anthony Towns instead of having a real role foe Karl Anthony Towns.

Thibs offence is get into position, get the ball and do something with it. That isn't KAT. And we might need til All Star brrak to change because NBA teams don't practice like that once the seaosn starts.

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Last night just seems to be more about execution than anything else. Randle’s gravity was massively important but I’ve seen towns be successful and force doubles in the post in the past. Guys either missed him or tried exploiting their mismatches unsuccessfully. Cavs looked like a team that has been playing together for while cuz their switches and rotations were top notch. Def didn’t help Mobley and Allen were awesome and defended him well enough that they didn’t need to send help all that much.

Don’t think we’ll need to wait till all star break for them to figure things out. They need just from watching film and see the spots Karl gravitates to on the floor will be a big help.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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- I'm more concerned with KAT's defense than his lack of FGAs, mainly because I'm confident the FGA's will sort themselves out.

- I'm a little annoyed that the team got away from Mikal, who was torching cross matchups all night and often had Garland to abuse.

- The bench needs more than one productive player. Deuce had 14 points, Payne had 6 points on 7 rushed attempts, and no one else scored.

- I like Hukporti...he challenged everything at the rim, and he's ALWAYS looking to box out. Hart's outburst in the second-quarter was boosted by Huk clearing out a ton of space for Hart to fly into.

- Despite all the doom and gloom, this game probably goes differently if Brunson doesn't get a clash of knees in the third quarter or Hart doesn't take two hard fouls that knock him out of the game in the late fourth.

- I hope things look different when we get Precious back and eventually Mitch, but I'm a little nervous since Thibs is a creature of a habit.

They went away from it because the Cavs started to abandon Hart in the corner. Mobley started helping off him and blowing up plays because they don't view Hart as much of a threat.




Look at where Mobley is, and because we have KAT in the dunkers spot for some unknown reason Allen can cover KAT and Hart if the ball is swung there while Mobley can relocate back to KAT. The spacing there and floor balance is just gross. KAT should be top of the three point line which would give Mikal more room, why the **** would you post up your guard with your C on the opposite block when he can shoot threes


This play is a joke too, why is Deuce screening for Jalen? Then we have 2 guys going to the same area which means Mobley can help off Hart yet again because Wade can cover both guys if the ball is swung back out.



They shut down the Mikal offense in the 4th because they figures out KAT isn't shooting and Hart in the corner is free money for Mobley to disrupt plays.

[Garbagelo]

The game i thought we were gonna have against Indiana happened against the Cavs instead

Still pretty much on track. Bumpy road for a bit until we hit our stride and the Thibs conditioning becomes a major advantage

Lost some strengths of last year and gained some new weaknesses but now we have a team that can win in more ways

[Gravy]

-Garland went off. sheesh

-Feels like Towns has to be two players we lost, on offense he has to replace Randle and on defense he has to be Ihart. He's a different player than both of them and the team is getting used to him. Its going to take time

-Mobley and the Cavs took advantage of rookie Huk and the Knicks bench lack of size in the 2nd half. We need Precious back soon.

If only the team had two or three defensive wings to mitigate this kind of thing, the Knicks would have had a chance to win

Mobley was destroying them inside and erased the 13 pt lead.

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