PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT?

[jvsimonetti0514]

We had a 78.6 ORTG in the 4th quarter with Josh on the floor, almost every big defensive play Mobley made in the 4th was because he helped off Josh. They were basically running a soft double at Mikal all 4th quarter, he tried to post up Garland but Mobley came over and Bridges rushed his pickup once he saw him for a turnover.

Another play he just left Hart and got the block on Jalen who blew by LeVert.

Not disputing that there’s issues with people helping off of hart but we scored 3 baskets in the last 30 seconds probably explain some of the difference in offensive ratings. If you exclude those baskets, we only put up 7 points in about 3 1/2 without him on the floor. Plus Hart had the best +\- of all the players that got big minutes in the 4th and had the best defensive rating too. Maybe it would have happened anyways with him on the floor but I don’t think the execution got a whole lot better without him and the Cavs were able to put the game out of reach pretty much the minute he left.

Hart was -44.5 net rating in the 4th, only Mikal was worse because he was trying to guard Garland. He was the biggest issue on offense in the 4th, I posted these gifs earlier.









And the Huk dunk that was wiped off was because Mobley helped off Hart in the corner. These 3 possessions alone, look at the score, look at what Mobley's doing then consider he was doing that all throughout the time Hart was on the court in the 4th. It completely disrupted our offense, our defense gave up 110pts to a team that was averaging 128ppg before playing us, it gave us a chance to win, but our offense was crippled. The game was already over when he left the game, we were out of sync and they found their sea legs.

We scored 13 points in harts minutes and 13 points in the minutes without him. 6 of those came in the last 30 seconds of the game when the game was out of reach. We scored 23% of the 4th quarter points in those last 30 seconds.

Those garbage time points would have an effect on net rating too, not just the offensive rating. So we basically scored 20 points in the non garbage time minutes. Which I don’t need to tell you is very bad.

I agree those possessions are bad and I’m open to the idea of benching hart but we didn’t really score better without him on the floor last night. It probably was about the same. If you go with starting deuce, the bench loses most of its shot creation. It’s not an easy answer with how thin this teams rotation is right now.

[koogiking]

I'm afraid that KAT is weak sauce. An empty stats guy that people overlooked because the Wolves have been better once Anthony Edwards came along

[prophet_of_rage]

I don't expect a flawless team, however Josh's weaknesses on offense allows for teams to negate what should be our strength. If you have the right roster you can put a smaller player on KAT and a big on Josh and take away what should be a mismatch with a back line shot blocker who is helping off the poor shooter. This is why the Rockets went ultra small when they had Westbrook, because teams would put their C on him, so they decided that having him and Capella on the floor was basically two centers as far as the defense was concerned so they removed the big entirely. The way the Celtics and Cavs defended him is how he would be guarded if we made it to the ECF because whoever is across from us will have a good coach.

Josh has to be a willing shooter on good volume, he cannot pass up shots just to brick other wide open shots or dribble in on them. Our coach may not be creative enough to get him in spots where we use him like Draymond, that is a high volume three point shooting team with 2 non shooters in their lineup. Teams know how to defend poor shooters who hang out in the corner, they just don't guard them.

Josh should be put in the Randle role. Hey Josh you rebound, keep it, push and drive into the paint. You get the paint touch and spray or you finish. If Brunson brings the ball up you play on the same side as him and set the pick for him to get to the middle and then pop out for the stampede catch. If Brunson kicks out to the opposite side then set a pindown for Brunson to zipper up back to the top.

You just keep your defender engaged in motion.

The challenge there is that he doesn't command the same sort of defensive attention in that role. Randle gets at least full attention and a hedger. Often double. It could be an option (same same Mikal) but we can't spam it like we did with Randle.

Make Josh move constantly and you will be good. Make Josh stand and you are in trouble.

[prophet_of_rage]

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Everybody Sees it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thibs needs to be better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too many cornermen.

[Chanel Bomber]

I'm afraid that KAT is weak sauce. An empty stats guy that people overlooked because the Wolves have been better once Anthony Edwards came along

Minnesota just made the WCF with KAT as a core piece. I don't think the empty stats guy allegations are warranted. Players need talent around them to succeed in a team sport, and whenever KAT played with a legit star (Jimmy then Edwards), his teams were largely successful. All we know from that resume is that he's no 1A. But he can play with other stars.

It's early days with this Knicks core, we'll see how they play.

[Reign23]

should've made the donovan mitchell trade too. leon hosed.

Is there anything else you desperately wanna get off your chest before this turns around in a few weeks? I swear it’s like you’re waiting for this **** and were upset you couldn’t say it vs Indiana. This team will go through ups and downs before they truly figure out and even so, they should’ve won this game with Brunson going 8-24.

It’s **** like this that makes it annoying when the team is winning cause yall act like you didn’t say anything.

[Reign23]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

that is 100% not true, homie

[Clyde Frazier]

If brunson doesn't temporarily go down i think we get the win. Still a big letdown and hopefully hart is ok. Feels like this team is gonna have highs and lows because they did look great for stretches last night.

[RHODEY]

This was a game where I noticed how much we miss Mitch.

I don’t miss Mikal though

But I bet you miss James Harden

Watch on YouTube

[Reign23]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

[Reign23]

caught up to the entire thread. gonna have to say Melo getting into it with the 100th different poster and then playing victim is really something else. now I've seen it all.

[Chanel Bomber]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

They're gonna have to cut him. He's one of the lowest basketball IQ players in the league. You're not gonna coach basketball intelligence into him. To borrow guan0's words he's unserious. Cut him.

[Guano]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

that is 100% not true, homie

Idk, maybe I'm naive. I've been accused of worse. But I have a hard time believing anyone that frequents here wants the team to lose. Even with their agendas. If someone takes a lil joy in being proven right when Kat plays like sht it doesn't mean they are glad the knicks lost it means they're feeling themselves for being right. Idk I try to give people the benefit of positive intent. And I also enjoy the diversity of takes that happen here. Rather ignore those I disagree with than have them silenced.

I think its similar to the randle hate. People went in on him all the time. But it was accepted her cause the consensus was he was a losing player. So an outlier here is kat is a loser. And those that think that way are labeled haters. Sure it's not always brought up in the most flavorful way. But the point is similar.

My initial response to the kat move was fairly negative. And while I still am not sold on it. And ultimately think we're capped below a championship level team. I'll root for the teams success and hope I'm wrong. Sham and wingo are dusty and deserve to see a championship.

[Guano]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

They're gonna have to cut him. He's one of the lowest basketball IQ players in the league. You're not gonna coach basketball intelligence into him. To borrow guan0's words he's unserious. Cut him.

Or, hear me out, bring in BRODIE and get this party LIT

[Reign23]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

They're gonna have to cut him. He's one of the lowest basketball IQ players in the league. You're not gonna coach basketball intelligence into him. To borrow guan0's words he's unserious. Cut him.

couldn't agree more. I've never liked him.. its really bad if he hits his first 1-2 shots, because then its the green light for himself.

[Guano]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

They're gonna have to cut him. He's one of the lowest basketball IQ players in the league. You're not gonna coach basketball intelligence into him. To borrow guan0's words he's unserious. Cut him.

couldn't agree more. I've never liked him.. its really bad if he hits his first 1-2 shots, because then its the green light for himself.

See you can give people the benefit too cause it doesn't matter if the first 2 or 5 are misses he is seeing green on the 6th shot.

[Reign23]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

that is 100% not true, homie

Idk, maybe I'm naive. I've been accused of worse. But I have a hard time believing anyone that frequents here wants the team to lose. Even with their agendas. If someone takes a lil joy in being proven right when Kat plays like sht it doesn't mean they are glad the knicks lost it means they're feeling themselves for being right. Idk I try to give people the benefit of positive intent. And I also enjoy the diversity of takes that happen here. Rather ignore those I disagree with than have them silenced.

I think its similar to the randle hate. People went in on him all the time. But it was accepted her cause the consensus was he was a losing player. So an outlier here is kat is a loser. And those that think that way are labeled haters. Sure it's not always brought up in the most flavorful way. But the point is similar.

My initial response to the kat move was fairly negative. And while I still am not sold on it. And ultimately think we're capped below a championship level team. I'll root for the teams success and hope I'm wrong. Sham and wingo are dusty and deserve to see a championship.

a few pointed out there is this thing going with just having a tweet ready about a certain player for a loss at the top of the PG thread. and this is 100% true.
I knew that this was coming when Brunson bricked his 5th shot in a row. this is just bs posting and it causes trouble.

(you are right about Randle and I was guilty of it too sometimes. but I think there is some line between trolling here and there and the "SEE!!!!"-posts in a thousand ways after every single loss).

[Reign23]

another way to get our four best players as many shots as possible is run plays for whoever is on the court with the second unit and not let freaking Cam Payne shoot every time.

They're gonna have to cut him. He's one of the lowest basketball IQ players in the league. You're not gonna coach basketball intelligence into him. To borrow guan0's words he's unserious. Cut him.

Or, hear me out, bring in BRODIE and get this party LIT

MSG would probably go up in flames. Or it could solve the misery because one of his threes hits Dolan in the head and he is gone.

[Chanel Bomber]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

that is 100% not true, homie

Idk, maybe I'm naive. I've been accused of worse. But I have a hard time believing anyone that frequents here wants the team to lose. Even with their agendas. If someone takes a lil joy in being proven right when Kat plays like sht it doesn't mean they are glad the knicks lost it means they're feeling themselves for being right. Idk I try to give people the benefit of positive intent. And I also enjoy the diversity of takes that happen here. Rather ignore those I disagree with than have them silenced.

I think its similar to the randle hate. People went in on him all the time. But it was accepted her cause the consensus was he was a losing player. So an outlier here is kat is a loser. And those that think that way are labeled haters. Sure it's not always brought up in the most flavorful way. But the point is similar.

My initial response to the kat move was fairly negative. And while I still am not sold on it. And ultimately think we're capped below a championship level team. I'll root for the teams success and hope I'm wrong. Sham and wingo are dusty and deserve to see a championship.

The notion that people who login daily to an obscure site called Realgm Knicks want the Knicks to fail is ridiculous.

That's an argument people use to moralize the discussion, putting themselves in the right and the other in the wrong from a moral standpoint. Therefore there's nothing the other can say - however rational or constructive - that is valid. Because their intentions are wrong anyways. It's really a dishonest way of interacting with others, and it mirrors the way people "discuss" politics these days.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.

#freemeLo

that is 100% not true, homie

Idk, maybe I'm naive. I've been accused of worse. But I have a hard time believing anyone that frequents here wants the team to lose. Even with their agendas. If someone takes a lil joy in being proven right when Kat plays like sht it doesn't mean they are glad the knicks lost it means they're feeling themselves for being right. Idk I try to give people the benefit of positive intent. And I also enjoy the diversity of takes that happen here. Rather ignore those I disagree with than have them silenced.

I think its similar to the randle hate. People went in on him all the time. But it was accepted her cause the consensus was he was a losing player. So an outlier here is kat is a loser. And those that think that way are labeled haters. Sure it's not always brought up in the most flavorful way. But the point is similar.

My initial response to the kat move was fairly negative. And while I still am not sold on it. And ultimately think we're capped below a championship level team. I'll root for the teams success and hope I'm wrong. Sham and wingo are dusty and deserve to see a championship.

Nah, sham would genuinely like to see us struggle so he can say we need Mitch, he got to the point where he actually said he wanted him traded because we didn't appreciate him If we had Mitch right now he'd still be posting and taking shots at KAT during the games like he did with Ihart, despite Ihart helping us when Mitch was out. The schtick got old cause anytime he tries it now people just remind him that Mitch can't stay healthy, so the complaints don't really make sense, like get ya mans some more calcium in his diet. sham took his ball and went home cause he couldn't freely just hate on a player, while propping up another player that isn't healthy.

I will say I think you and I are similar, in that in the end, we don't care. I don't take anything seriously, I supported RJ and Obi, but now that they're not Knicks I just don't care. I'm not a fan of player type of person, I grew up and had no posters on my wall and never had any jerseys. If someone insults me on here, I'll shoot back because that's just how it goes on the internet, but almost everything I post has some level of satire or joke in it to keep things light.