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[RiotPunch]

Not trading Bobby at any point in the past year is unserious business and makes me not take this team seriously.

It'd be one thing if he was just a trash defensive player. But even offensively, in 2024 the dude is taking the fewest 3PA since his 2nd season almost a decade ago at this point. But is #2 in the entire league in post up frequency on crap efficiency, despite playing on a team with Giannis/Dame. And it's not a small sample size thing either, he was #2 in post up frequency last year as well.

We are almost 18 points per 100 possessions worse with this loser on the floor and you feel it every time he's in the game. I'm just so tired man. If he is not traded idk if I'm making it through this season lol.

C'mon bro, really with this?

The crowd chants, "BOBBY! BOBBY! BOBBY!"

[blazza18]

If you're not careful we're going to hear again about Bobby's rebounding and making a USA team that one time.

[-Jragon-]

Every statement about Giannis should be preceded by saying that Doc is a **** disaster. Two of the best offensive players of all time and he can't scheme easy baskets for them or others who should theoretically be open.

It's pathetic.

Maybe. You can coach Giannis to do all the right things. He'll nod. And then he goes out and plays the same way he always plays. And Dame isn't the same player when he only initiates some of the time. Can it still work with the 2 of them? Sure. But it becomes less likely with each game.

Dame is top 5 in the league on # of passes. He's still initiating... the problem I see is that the guys that get the ball often decide against giving it back to him and instead do some wack a$$ black hole bs.. they need to work on a secondary action where someone screens off ball for Dame and gets it back to him.

When Dame does get the ball he draws tons of fouls because teams decided that's how to limit him -- be grabby. Also, I think he should get like 25 shots per game because his hot stretches + his free throws is a nightly 40+ game. The role players need to be more patient wait for the Giannis and Dame gravity to hit -- which might be later in the clock or even game.. and they need to cash in open shots and drives.

Giannis also needs to pass more so his pass fakes work to deter that double team. Too much black hole bs offense.. the initial action is better than last year but we don't have patience after that original play. More ball movement overall.. more cutting later in the clock right when the defender looks away from you, etc.

[Sigra]

Only 4 games but...

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Only 4 games but...

the early versions of mvp giannis numbers like this were literally impossible. but a version of this has existed for several years now. hes changed as a player. thanks for posting and it deseves it own thread

[RubberSoul]

I miss the old DPOY version of Giannis. I don’t think it’s loss of athleticism either I think it’s just his selfish get buckets mindset he has now. His attitude on defense is just sad to see remembering how he used to play.


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[nagawicka]

Still thinking about Delon dribbling up the court and Bobby messing around jogging and Delon dribbling into him and turning the ball over. CLown show. Butt fumble territory.

Almost as impressive as watching Khris dribble off his leg, Giannis cosplay point guard or crash into 3 people & fall down, or either one pass to nobody in the stands. Almost.

[JayMKE]

team defense falling off makes everybody look ****

[Bernman]

I miss the old DPOY version of Giannis. I don’t think it’s loss of athleticism either I think it’s just his selfish get buckets mindset he has now. His attitude on defense is just sad to see remembering how he used to play.

He also said in an interview he doesn't value the regular season anymore cuz of his untimely injuries. Which is, to a degree, a defensible position. But let's not then pretend it doesn't adversely effect him now & he won't eventually have to show up.

[Milbucks96]

Giannis is being asked to carry some bad lineups when he’s not playing with the starters. His second most used lineup on cleaning the glass is him with Wright, green, Bobby, and Pat and it’s a -16 per100. I think he’s being asked to do a little too much with too little. Though I do agree that his defensive intensity and tunnel vision is contributing to our slow start, I don’t think he’s the blame for me, Not yet at least. Our guys outside of Dame, Brook, and Giannis just aren’t good enough right now.

[German Athens]

Giannis has been bad to start the year, and to some degree, this is a trend for him when starting a season. Last year at this time plenty of people were frustrated with him. A few years back I recall he started off the season averaging 35ppg over the first ten games or something, but I think a lot of us thought his feel for the court and touch were missing. It was clunky.

Giannis is a rhythm player in every conceivable way. He'll get it together like he always does.

As for the terrible on/off - it matches the eye test so far, but we're also talking about a 4 game sample. He had a +12 on/off last year which was the second-best mark of his career. His advanced stats were awesome last year, too - his Lebron rating was second in the league just barely behind Jokic, and his EPM was also right next to Jokic's at +7 (the formula changed recently. At the end of last year Embiid and Shai were 1 and 2, but now when I look at it Shai is behind Giannis, and Jokic is number 1, either way Giannis mark was high end there as well).

I think some on this board suspected that Bud made Giannis, and when he dominated last year, that should have disproven it, but I think some are still trying to confirm priors and jump on his poor start to the year. He's a superstar and is super dominant. He'll be that way again. Hopefully he snaps out of whatever he's going through quickly, but I'm not worried about Giannis's ability to positively impact a game.

[BUCKnation]

I haven't been able to stop thinking about this play.

Giannis's lack of awareness, not finding Walsh and boxing out, all at a key moment in the second half when Boston was beginning to stretch their lead.

Stuff like that can't happen.



Even Bobby is like WTF?

I thought Giannis was a lot more aggressive getting rebounds in this game, but man, it's been doing my head in how much of a problem this has been from Giannis and others.

[Ron Swanson]

Here's a thought: Bring KG back to practice and have him get in Giannis' ear. Convince him about playing closer to the basket and show him nothing but 2008 KG tape on loop with his eyes pried open, Clockwork Orange style.

[emunney]

How exactly was this a charge? It could have been a flop (Jrue was starting to sit down before Giannis even made contact), it could have been a block or a non-call (Jrue was inside the charge line). Based on Jrue's feet, it absolutely can't be a charge.

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[-Jragon-]

This is going to sound bad but I think we pass too much to our "scrubs" ... they actually aren't scrubs but look.. everytime Dame has the ball, their whole defense adapts to defend Dame at multiple levels with multiple guys (anticipating where he'll go)...and everytime Giannis gets the ball their whole defense goes into defend Giannis mode. ANYONE else gets the ball their defense stays home.

The way to take advantage of that is quick passes between Dame and Giannis and don't give the ball to scrubs unless they are wide open standing or cutting and ready to shoot/layup. This is what Kyrie and Luka do and go back to LeBron and Wade.. they knew too.. back and forth so their defense is always scrambling and you can catch them slipping that way... then let the scrubs cut to open spots if they want the ball -- work for it.. they can get rebounds or steals if they want the ball
We're too nice. If a dude isn't hitting then stop giving him the ball as much.. Brook will be like 0-5 from 3 and Dame is still like believing in him for some reason.. control the ball and shots better.

[rilamann]

The guys on the Ricky Sanchez pod (Sixers) hate Doc with the power of one thousand suns. They call him lazy, incompetent and a big phony. I tried for the past year to rationalize that Spike and Mike’s thoughts were way over the top.

They weren’t.

I am sure you will enjoy me saying this...

But me wanting Bud fired might be my #1 all-time Be careful what you wish for moment as a sports fan.

I will admit when I am wrong. I will be eating crow on that one for awhile.

Nah, we were going nowhere with bud. There was always the chance we’d get worse without him, but we had to make a change.

I agree, my main thing with Bud wasn't that I didn't think he was a good coach. My thing was he had gone stale and the Bucks needed a fresh voice.

That said, I still say it was a ''be careful what you wish for'' situation because Stale Bud is still worlds better than what we ended up with in his place in Griffin and Doc.

And Stale Bud in all honesty is probably still better than a majority of NBA head coaches.

Now if we had hired Nurse and had made a run to at least the ECF last season, then I am not eating crow. But that didn't happen. Griffin and Doc and lots disappointment happened.

[MickeyDavis]

Ah yes, Nick Nurse. Should have hired him. After all, he led the Sixers to a...first round exit.

[BUCKnation]

Nurse would’ve been better than AG obv but he’s shockingly overrated

[Jez2983]

I think I can convince myself that our best basketball will work in the playoffs (not that we are playing even close to our best now).

But during the season, you need a heap of athletic shooters that attack close outs and run around the perimeter with their arms out to stay in/win games.

We seem to coast through the season, then get injured, then lose.

[Ruben Quevedo]

I am sure you will enjoy me saying this...

But me wanting Bud fired might be my #1 all-time Be careful what you wish for moment as a sports fan.

I will admit when I am wrong. I will be eating crow on that one for awhile.

Nah, we were going nowhere with bud. There was always the chance we’d get worse without him, but we had to make a change.

I agree, my main thing with Bud wasn't that I didn't think he was a good coach. My thing was he had gone stale and the Bucks needed a fresh voice.

That said, I still say it was a ''be careful what you wish for'' situation because Stale Bud is still worlds better than what we ended up with in his place in Griffin and Doc.

And Stale Bud in all honesty is probably still better than a majority of NBA head coaches.

Now if we had hired Nurse and had made a run to at least the ECF last season, then I am not eating crow. But that didn't happen. Griffin and Doc and lots disappointment happened.

I agree, stale Bud is still a really good coach. The Griffin hire was obviously an absolute disaster. Doc I think is still a decent coach, and it's possible he is better for us in a playoff situation. Either way I think our weak bench and lack of speed is a bigger issue than the coach right now.