2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

famicommander · Post #41 » by **famicommander** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:29 am

Players in NBA history with at least 29/18/16 in a game:
Oscar Robertson (twice)
Nikola Jokic

That's the list.

B-easy · Post #42 » by **B-easy** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:37 am

Gatorade Sax wrote:Jokic will likely have his best statistical season ever, but his chances to win yet again will be slim. Will require the 1 seed, nothing less I would say..

Nah. Jokic will have the best stats again (he always does) and if the team records are close to other MVP candidates then he will win again.

Ambrose · Post #43 » by **Ambrose** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 1:41 pm

Jokic will deserve it but won't win it.

1993Playoffs · Post #44 » by **1993Playoffs** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:17 pm

Crazy , SGA isn’t A better player than Jokic or Luca, but he’s getting propped up as the MVP

The-Power · Post #45 » by **The-Power** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 2:57 pm

1993Playoffs wrote:Crazy , SGA isn’t A better player than Jokic or Luca, but he’s getting propped up as the MVP

He's been an MVP-level player last season (better than Luka during the RS) and has had a great start to the new season. Of course he's being talked about as an MVP candidate. Why wouldn't he be?

falcolombardi · Post #46 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:27 pm

The-Power wrote:
1993Playoffs wrote:Crazy , SGA isn’t A better player than Jokic or Luca, but he’s getting propped up as the MVP

He's been an MVP-level player last season (better than Luka during the RS) and has had a great start to the new season. Of course he's being talked about as an MVP candidate. Why wouldn't he be?

I think shai is still too "new" in people's minds compared to luka and jokic

The tanking okc roster after 2020 made people forget about him as a star prospect and his amazing 2023 came in a team that missed the playoffs.

Last year was the first time we saw shai in the "big leagues/spotlight"

falcolombardi · Post #47 » by **falcolombardi** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:30 pm

Ambrose wrote:Jokic will deserve it but won't win it.

Players ln worse teams will almost always have the craziest stats as they need to go all out even vs weaker teams. But doing the most in meh teams (even if you are carrying them to their high 40's record in a herculean effort) is usually not rewarded with mvps

Special_Puppy · Post #48 » by **Special_Puppy** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:40 pm

B-easy wrote:
Gatorade Sax wrote:Jokic will likely have his best statistical season ever, but his chances to win yet again will be slim. Will require the 1 seed, nothing less I would say..

Nah. Jokic will have the best stats again (he always does) and if the team records are close to other MVP candidates then he will win again.

Given how good the Celitcs and Thunder are, Denver would probably need to win around 56 games in order for Jokic to win MVP. They might be on track to win around 46 games at the moment.

The-Power · Post #49 » by **The-Power** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:20 pm

falcolombardi wrote:
The-Power wrote:
1993Playoffs wrote:Crazy , SGA isn’t A better player than Jokic or Luca, but he’s getting propped up as the MVP

He's been an MVP-level player last season (better than Luka during the RS) and has had a great start to the new season. Of course he's being talked about as an MVP candidate. Why wouldn't he be?

I think shai is still too "new" in people's minds compared to luka and jokic

The tanking okc roster after 2020 made people forget about him as a star prospect and his amazing 2023 came in a team that missed the playoffs.

Last year was the first time we saw shai in the "big leagues/spotlight"

Sure, but it's weird to be surprised by, or take offense with, SGA being in the MVP conversation after he finished 2nd last year, plays on the team favored to be the #1 seed, and had a great start to the season.

I could understand someone being hesitant to have SGA in the ‘best player in the league’ conversation unless and until he has more playoff success. That's a fair conservative mindset. But not having him on as a shortlisted candidate for MVP? That's just silly.

ITYSL · Post #50 » by **ITYSL** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:02 pm

Early season rankings:
Jokic
AD
SGA
Paolo
Tatum

Others: Mitchell, Giannis, LaMelo

Walton the GOAT · Post #51 » by **Walton the GOAT** » Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:08 pm

I don't even see the point in talking about jokic, they're not going to give it to him

Wolfgang630 · Post #52 » by **Wolfgang630** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:08 am

Walton the GOAT wrote:I don't even see the point in talking about jokic, they're not going to give it to him

Yeah because you can see the future. If he’s playing like an MVP then he will be discussed.

GeorgeSears · Post #53 » by **GeorgeSears** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:59 am

Walton the GOAT wrote:I don't even see the point in talking about jokic, they're not going to give it to him

I said the same after Jokic won his 2nd MVP.

The problem with competing with Jokic is that he's a seasoned marathon runner, and the others are very good 10K runners running a marathon.

They start out strong, and even post a great time at the 5K mark. But then it dawns on them that they have another 37KM to go and Jokic is behind them pacing himself. By the time he's at the 15KM mark, they're way behind him with their legs giving away, knowing they can't make it.

Exp0sed · Post #54 » by **Exp0sed** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:22 am

The-Power wrote:
falcolombardi wrote:
The-Power wrote:He's been an MVP-level player last season (better than Luka during the RS) and has had a great start to the new season. Of course he's being talked about as an MVP candidate. Why wouldn't he be?

I think shai is still too "new" in people's minds compared to luka and jokic

The tanking okc roster after 2020 made people forget about him as a star prospect and his amazing 2023 came in a team that missed the playoffs.

Last year was the first time we saw shai in the "big leagues/spotlight"

Sure, but it's weird to be surprised by, or take offense with, SGA being in the MVP conversation after he finished 2nd last year, plays on the team favored to be the #1 seed, and had a great start to the season.

I could understand someone being hesitant to have SGA in the ‘best player in the league’ conversation unless and until he has more playoff success. That's a fair conservative mindset. But not having him on as a shortlisted candidate for MVP? That's just silly.

obviously SGA has been a prime candidate for MVP coming into the season and OKC being 4-0 adds alot of fuel to that fire but if we're being honest - he hasn't played at an MVP level (yet) this season. he will shoot better no doubt, it's been just 4 games but he's been off in terms of scoring efficiency after being the 2nd most consistent in terms of efficiency he's only at about 53 TS% and shouldn't be in the convo this season (yet). that's not to say he won't, but as of now he hasn't been quite himself in the first couple of games.

Exp0sed · Post #55 » by **Exp0sed** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:25 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
Walton the GOAT wrote:I don't even see the point in talking about jokic, they're not going to give it to him

Yeah because you can see the future. If he’s playing like an MVP then he will be discussed.

"if"? this is Jokic we're talking about, him playing like an MVP goes without saying. the man is a machine.

_NoMas · Post #56 » by **_NoMas** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:13 am

FIBA Schroder has entered the chat

Eightnineborn · Post #57 » by **Eightnineborn** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 11:12 am

I hope Donovan gets some love… hope the Cavs win 60 games and then see if he has a shot.

Post #58 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:09 pm

Defense often goes out the window in these conversations, but SGA is third in the league in stocks. Chet is 1.

brackdan70 · Post #59 » by **brackdan70** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:50 pm

Eightnineborn wrote:I hope Donovan gets some love… hope the Cavs win 60 games and then see if he has a shot.

Allen is the best player on the Cavs so far this year and leads the league in Win shares with a top 10 BPM. Mitchell has been a bit below his standard so far. Lots of turnovers.

Exp0sed · Post #60 » by **Exp0sed** » Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:18 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Defense often goes out the window in these conversations, but SGA is third in the league in stocks. Chet is 1.

Chet has a good argument for having been the OKC's most productive player in the first 4 games of the season

Who is leading the 2024-25 NBA MVP race?