Tank World Order V (Rise of the Phoenix)

[ForeverTFC]

I wonder if the Scottie injury accelerates the rebuild.

Wonder if we will see Poetl , BB, Boucher moved earlier than expected

Takes two (or three) to tango. Need to give time for teams to figure out what they need first, even if we are willing trade partners.

The easiest move for a Yak deal was probably the Pelicans, but then Murray and TM3 got hurt, so who knows where that team is at?

Also, what happens if the Pacers start shopping Turner, and then the Raps are competing with them for deals.

2 very different players.

I don't know why the Pacers would trade him as we own their pick next year and they have no replacement for him nor is there any FAs out there to go get that can fill his role. If he was extension eligible, I'm pretty sure he'd be locked up already. And even if they were to trade him, their asking price will be very different than ours. They wanted 2 first or a prospect and a first for him before the extension. To trade him now, they will need another big to come in through a 3-way as draft assets do nothing for them and they are not in a position to take on salary.

The real Poeltl threats are Valanciunas, Allen, Claxton, and Kessler. Cleveland seems like they will roll with Mobley/Allen at least for this full season so he's likely out. Claxton and Valanciunas can't be traded until the deadline I believe, and Poeltl is better than both of them. And Kessler has been on the market since the off-season.

[ItsDanger]

In wanting to compete now or tank for a prime draft pick, tail risk is often ignored here. Injuries can often happen and derail the season despite good intentions. More should consider the longer term view and be more patient.

[PhilBlackson]

The Tanking Gods want us to bring Ace home!!!

[Scase]

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as saying they were taking it easy, but I dont think they were taking it all too seriously either.

westbrook was definitely out there trying hard.

Jokic had to go for 40 on 27 FGA in 44 minutes on the first night of a back to back. The premise that they weren't trying hard is absurd. Jokic scored 40+ only 3 times last year. He's already had to do it twice this year. I really don't think he had watched any of their games until that night.

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

[PushDaRock]

westbrook was definitely out there trying hard.

Jokic had to go for 40 on 27 FGA in 44 minutes on the first night of a back to back. The premise that they weren't trying hard is absurd. Jokic scored 40+ only 3 times last year. He's already had to do it twice this year. I really don't think he had watched any of their games until that night.

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

They didn't clamp down anything, it was a 5 point game after the 3rd quarter and they were down 8 with a chance at 9 on a Scottie FT with under 2 minutes to go. You think they were playing around and letting that happen knowing they lose in that situation about 90% of the time?

Jokic played 44 mins, 39 in regulation. You think they weren't trying their hardest to win that game?

[ForeverTFC]

Jokic had to go for 40 on 27 FGA in 44 minutes on the first night of a back to back. The premise that they weren't trying hard is absurd. Jokic scored 40+ only 3 times last year. He's already had to do it twice this year. I really don't think he had watched any of their games until that night.

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

They didn't clamp down anything, it was a 5 point game after the 3rd quarter and they were down 8 with a chance at 9 on a Scottie FT with under 2 minutes to go. You think they were playing around and letting that happen knowing they lose in that situation about 90% of the time?

Jokic played 44 mins, 39 in regulation. You think they weren't trying their hardest to win that game?

He's clueless.

Personal attack.

[niQ]

A Top 3 pick would be nice.

[Scase]

Jokic had to go for 40 on 27 FGA in 44 minutes on the first night of a back to back. The premise that they weren't trying hard is absurd. Jokic scored 40+ only 3 times last year. He's already had to do it twice this year. I really don't think he had watched any of their games until that night.

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

They didn't clamp down anything, it was a 5 point game after the 3rd quarter and they were down 8 with a chance at 9 on a Scottie FT with under 2 minutes to go. You think they were playing around and letting that happen knowing they lose in that situation about 90% of the time?

Jokic played 44 mins, 39 in regulation. You think they weren't trying their hardest to win that game?

Maybe let's try and read the conversation as a whole instead of coming in half cocked with peanuts from the gallery.

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as saying they were taking it easy, but I dont think they were taking it all too seriously either.

[720]

[metafisical]

Sad to hear about Barnes. I don't wish bad health or injuries on anyone.

That said, if life hands you lemons, then you may as well make Mike's Hard Lemon, am I right? Take the tank to the extreme if possible and don't waste Barnes' sacrifice. This may be the year we are gifted a top 3 pick!

[Scase]

That's not at all what ace bailey looks like.

[PhilBlackson]

I say Ace but I swear anytime I watch Malauch highlights, it's hard to imagine Masai pass on him. Id still be super excited with that outcome and to see what we could get out him. His ceiling is as high as almost anyone’s in the draft and at 7’2 that could monstrous.

[Pointgod]

Cooper Flagg here we come

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Capture the Flagg!

[will]

That's not at all what ace bailey looks like.

Ace Bailey passed away in 1992, though.

[PushDaRock]

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

They didn't clamp down anything, it was a 5 point game after the 3rd quarter and they were down 8 with a chance at 9 on a Scottie FT with under 2 minutes to go. You think they were playing around and letting that happen knowing they lose in that situation about 90% of the time?

Jokic played 44 mins, 39 in regulation. You think they weren't trying their hardest to win that game?

Maybe let's try and read the conversation as a whole instead of coming in half cocked with peanuts from the gallery.

Yeah I wouldn't go so far as saying they were taking it easy, but I dont think they were taking it all too seriously either.

lmao being down 8 points with under 2 mins to go and needed us to miss 3 FT's to get to OT is not struggling to beat us? They weren't taking it too serious but Jokic needs to play 44 mins? Sure, that makes perfect sense only in your head.

Once again you make ridiculous statements, have it get pointed out and then try to act like other people are the ones with the misunderstanding.

[NinjaBro]

Barnes and Quickly ruled out tonight. Looking good boys!

"We need to trade Siakam for AJ Griffin before it's too late!" - PhilBlackson

[PushDaRock]

Your only argument is using box score stats, so I don't see how watching the game would matter in this case lol. My boss of 2 years was born and raised in Denver, we talk basketball all the time, I have more than enough 2nd hand knowledge from someone who watches 82 games a year to know.

Jokic having to put up 40 isn't because they were magically trying their hardest to beat us, but because their team has bled massive amounts of scoring options over the last couple of years. Jokic has to shoulder more of the offensive load, still doesn't prove they weren't trying their darndest.

Jokic scored 24.5ppg when they won the chip, he then put up 26.4ppg the next year, and is now putting up 31.5ppg. Because they keep bleeding offensively productive players. The team as a whole is worse, but that doesn't mean they are struggling to beat us.

They put the clamps on us defensively in the 4th quarter, you don't find another gear out of nowhere, it needs to exist. But sure, the Nuggets were struggling with our powerhouse of a team, and so were the wolves, we are just that much competition for them.

They didn't clamp down anything, it was a 5 point game after the 3rd quarter and they were down 8 with a chance at 9 on a Scottie FT with under 2 minutes to go. You think they were playing around and letting that happen knowing they lose in that situation about 90% of the time?

Jokic played 44 mins, 39 in regulation. You think they weren't trying their hardest to win that game?

He's clueless.

lol yeah Jokic playing playoff minutes in the 3rd game of the season after an 0-2 start clearly shows they weren't trying very hard to win right?

[720]

That's not at all what ace bailey looks like.

I’ll take Ace. He pairs better with Scottie too.

[Scase]

That's not at all what ace bailey looks like.

I’ll take Ace. He pairs better with Scottie too.

Yeah that's my dream scenario, getting that #1 scoring option to pair with him, that's potential contender status in some years.

[SFour]

In wanting to compete now or tank for a prime draft pick, tail risk is often ignored here. Injuries can often happen and derail the season despite good intentions. More should consider the longer term view and be more patient.

or the draft pick could be a bust and have an injury riddled career like Wiseman....there's risk in everything