Game 4: Miami vs Knicks Oct 30th 730 PM EST

[UFAlum88]

He's not playing aggressively on purpose, he's able to do alley oops and putback dunks so there's not that regression physically holding him back, it's Butler holding himself back.

It’s the scheme holding him back.

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

Ironically, the Heat said they practiced all offseason to limit those shots. Maybe they are just not that good???

[Kobewade11]

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Ware time Spo

[twix2500]

Nah I disagree. Ware would make a difference. His height and length alone would allow bam to do things we havent seen in a long time.

Cant hold 3 young players from playing for long.

[AirP.]

Nah I disagree. Ware would make a difference. His height and length alone would allow bam to do things we havent seen in a long time.

I watched Ware not block out for rebounds and not help teammates out defensively, he's big and mobile but doesn't have the motor or IQ that is needed, he'd probably hurt the team greatly at this point. It's not like the coaching staff hasn't been watching him in practices against Bam and Bryant.

[MettaWorldPanda]

It's so easy to keep putting the blame on Bam when for years since Tucker left I've been begging to get him some help in the front court. He has to pull too much weight to carry these group of scrubs who just either want to chuck shots and barely play any defense or just can't. Having Jovic as the starting PF is not the answer and neither is playing any undersized player we have. Jaime Jaquez has struggled at the 4 when he should be playing a cut to the basket style of game from the 3 spot.

Jovic is fine. They just need another physical player who can set hard screens and shoot. To many players trying to be scorers. They need to have players who help the scorer get open.

I watched Jovic try to set a screen tonight that was so piss poor for Rozier that I just kept shaking my head. I remember when Tucker was here he was setting screens and popping corner 3's at an MVP type level.

[AirP.]

He's not playing aggressively on purpose, he's able to do alley oops and putback dunks so there's not that regression physically holding him back, it's Butler holding himself back.

It’s the scheme holding him back.

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

Hasn't this been said basically every year and yet the team got to the Finals twice and the ECF 3 times? You play to your team's strengths.

[Johnny Fontane]

Bam was making threes in the Olympics and in the post season . Season starts and shooting worse than shaq on 3s. Hes been god awful so far . Playing like how he did vs bucks in the PO 2 years ago.

He'll play better and with more force next game because he's gonna go home tonight and read all the comments from media laying into his ass, book it.

Like clockwork. If he’s a guy that needs critics motivation to get him playing good again he’s simply just not a franchise caliber torch bearer as hailed by many in the organization

[AirP.]

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Nah I disagree. Ware would make a difference. His height and length alone would allow bam to do things we havent seen in a long time.

I watched Ware not block out for rebounds and not help teammates out defensively, he's big and mobile but doesn't have the motor or IQ that is needed, he'd probably hurt the team greatly at this point. It's not like the coaching staff hasn't been watching him in practices against Bam and Bryant.

So you suggest we keep going with the same mid ass garbage? I'd rather lose developing hope for the future then being in this disgusting mud we've been dealing with this core group for years.

[AirP.]

Nah I disagree. Ware would make a difference. His height and length alone would allow bam to do things we havent seen in a long time.

I watched Ware not block out for rebounds and not help teammates out defensively, he's big and mobile but doesn't have the motor or IQ that is needed, he'd probably hurt the team greatly at this point. It's not like the coaching staff hasn't been watching him in practices against Bam and Bryant.

So you suggest we keep going with the same mid ass garbage? I'd rather lose developing hope for the future then being in this disgusting mud we've been dealing with this core group for years.

I say do what's best for Ware in the long run, try to force him to play the right way to get minutes because if you don't, you're going to have a very flawed player.

[Bishop45]

Knicks are a really talented team, no shame in losing to them.

Embarrassing way to lose, but not an unbelievable cast to lose to

[twix2500]

It's so easy to keep putting the blame on Bam when for years since Tucker left I've been begging to get him some help in the front court. He has to pull too much weight to carry these group of scrubs who just either want to chuck shots and barely play any defense or just can't. Having Jovic as the starting PF is not the answer and neither is playing any undersized player we have. Jaime Jaquez has struggled at the 4 when he should be playing a cut to the basket style of game from the 3 spot.

Jovic is fine. They just need another physical player who can set hard screens and shoot. To many players trying to be scorers. They need to have players who help the scorer get open.

I watched Jovic try to set a screen tonight that was so piss poor for Rozier that I just kept shaking my head. I remember when Tucker was here he was setting screens and popping corner 3's at an MVP type level.

Because Jovic is looking to cut his screen early to be a scorer. Too many players trying to be the scorer. Coaches need to set priorities.

[VaDe255]

T&T did fine with 50p on 34 shots, 14 asts on only 3 TOs Terry wasn't as bad, played a much better 2nd half.

Jimmy & Bam scored efficiently 26p on 16 shots.
I like low usage Bam on offence, so this game from him on offence was fine. Butler needs to be more aggressive though, he can create efficient shots on his own, while Bam simply can't.

Bench players are underperforming with Duncan having a horrible season and Jaquez missing too many makeble shots today.

Overall defence seemed not good enough, this is where I'd put it on Bam to be better and he wasn't good enough today.

Close game though, could have gone either way. Knicks made too many shots/3s in 2nd half, where a few misses could have swung the game the other way.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bam is the ultimate superstar glue guy who does superstar things in other aspects of the game that don't involve being a superstar scorer. You saw how great he looked with team USA. Build a real team around him. Tear this chit down and build a legit complimentary team around this guy with young hungry players. Get Butler the heck out of here already. This build is toast

[AirP.]

I'm guessing no post-game interviews with Butler?

[marson]

Knicks are a really talented team, no shame in losing to them.

Embarrassing way to lose, but not an unbelievable cast to lose to

We should win this game, no excuse. They are a new team and still figuring it out.

Can't imagine what will happen in the 2 meetings in March.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Jovic is fine. They just need another physical player who can set hard screens and shoot. To many players trying to be scorers. They need to have players who help the scorer get open.

I watched Jovic try to set a screen tonight that was so piss poor for Rozier that I just kept shaking my head. I remember when Tucker was here he was setting screens and popping corner 3's at an MVP type level.

Because Jovic is looking to cut his screen early to be a scorer. Too many players trying to be the scorer. Coaches need to set priorities.

Jovic is not the player we need him to be. Might be better served coming off the bench in a scorers capacity.

[Hallstar]

It’s the scheme holding him back.

You cannot have a scheme for midrange jumpers in 2024. What do you think would have been different if you had brought in Dame? Honest question

Hasn't this been said basically every year and yet the team got to the Finals twice and the ECF 3 times? You play to your team's strengths.

Jimmy played out of his mind and we got elite shooting from streaky players..shooting that evaporated in the last finals. That's not a regular season offense

[Shewasfly]

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Good coaching on Spo's part to not let this completely break Bam's confidence.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Butler has to be traded sooner rather then later. This team needs a locker room face lift