Celtics Haven't Had Any Mega-Billionaires Enter Bidding With Steve Pagliuca's Position Strengthening

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Celtics Haven't Had Any Mega-Billionaires Enter Bidding With Steve Pagliuca's Position Strengthening 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:57 pm

The Boston Celtics are for sale and thus far non mega-billionaire suitors have emerged to bid on the franchise, sources tell the New York Post. The Celtics' controlling owners, Irving Grousbeck and his son Wyc Grousbeck, put the team up for sale in July. The Grousbeck family owns approximately 30 percent of the team.


The Celtics were valued at $6 billion by Forbes in their annual rankings released last week.


Current minority owner Steve Pagliuca is attempting to become the controlling owner. Pagliuca owns 20 percent of the team already and has pressed minority shareholders who own roughly another 30 percent to fall in with him in the bidding. This could give Pagliuca leverage and bring down the valuation to $5 billion. Pagliuca is managing director, but there are reports of a strained relationship with Wyc Grousbeck.


A Pagliuca spokesman insisted there is no animosity between the two. 


“Steve and Wyc enjoy both a close personal and professional relationship and any suggestion to the contrary is simply false,” the spokesman said. 


The Celtics do not own their arena and are facing rising luxury tax bills.


“When you pay $6 billion for an NFL team they are making $250 million a year,” the sports banker said. “The Celts are losing money and that makes this a little harder.”

Via Josh Kosman/New York Post

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Re: Celtics Haven't Had Any Mega-Billionaires Enter Bidding With Steve Pagliuca's Position Strengthening 

Post#3 » by purpleswordfish » Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:37 am

They're losing money and it's not a real investment for a billionaire. That's why a billionaire is selling the team - it's not an investable business.

The NBA can dislike the Celtics being devalued, but they only have themselves to blame. The owners and commissioners agreed to this ludicrous CBA that has led to many players being massively overpaid. You have players who have never accomplished anything on a winning team making $30M+ a year.

It doesn't matter if you sell out every game, win a championship or come close. You're going to lose money between player salaries, operating costs and the luxury tax.
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Re: Celtics Haven't Had Any Mega-Billionaires Enter Bidding With Steve Pagliuca's Position Strengthening 

Post#4 » by haste10176 » Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:42 am

purpleswordfish wrote:They're losing money and it's not a real investment for a billionaire. That's why a billionaire is selling the team - it's not an investable business.

The NBA can dislike the Celtics being devalued, but they only have themselves to blame. The owners and commissioners agreed to this ludicrous CBA that has led to many players being massively overpaid. You have players who have never accomplished anything on a winning team making $30M+ a year.

It doesn't matter if you sell out every game, win a championship or come close. You're going to lose money between player salaries, operating costs and the luxury tax.


Most teams operate at a profit.. They agreed to the luxury tax provisions.. Forget what the players are paid they often are paying triple that in luxury tax.. But that luxury tax goes to other teams not paying it.. soooo they are making a lot of money.. I hope this clears things up..
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Re: Celtics Haven't Had Any Mega-Billionaires Enter Bidding With Steve Pagliuca's Position Strengthening 

Post#5 » by purpleswordfish » Fri Nov 1, 2024 4:53 pm

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purpleswordfish wrote:They're losing money and it's not a real investment for a billionaire. That's why a billionaire is selling the team - it's not an investable business.

The NBA can dislike the Celtics being devalued, but they only have themselves to blame. The owners and commissioners agreed to this ludicrous CBA that has led to many players being massively overpaid. You have players who have never accomplished anything on a winning team making $30M+ a year.

It doesn't matter if you sell out every game, win a championship or come close. You're going to lose money between player salaries, operating costs and the luxury tax.


Most teams operate at a profit.. They agreed to the luxury tax provisions.. Forget what the players are paid they often are paying triple that in luxury tax.. But that luxury tax goes to other teams not paying it.. soooo they are making a lot of money.. I hope this clears things up..


"I hope this clears things up" is so passive aggressively saying I don't know what I'm talking about and that's why I'm replying.

You are correct, most NBA teams do operate at a profit. We are talking specifically about the Celtics here. They admit that they barely broke even last year and are preparing to lose $80M this season. Here's a source for that:

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2024/09/14/wyc-h-irving-grousbeck-celtics-ownership-sale/

So yes, most teams operate at a profit, but not the Celtics. As far as your comment about teams like the Celtics paying triple in luxury tax what they pay the players, you're wrong again. At their current track, with repeater penalties, the Celtics would pay a luxury tax of ~$280M against a player payroll of $225M. $280M is 124.4% of $225M. That's close to 1.25x, not anywhere close to 3x. I will assume that you are either misinformed, making things up and/or just don't know how to do basic math.

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