Official NBA General Discussion 2024-25 V1.0

[JB7]

mavs still eating the wolves lunch

and the nuggets having trouble with the nets lol

Nuggets needed OT to beat Nets

They were almost 0-4 to start the season. Not looking good in Nuggetland

[Dalek]

Anthony Davis is playing amazing. I thought this Lakers team would struggle, but they are playing really well together.

It is almost like JJ Reddick is a great coach from day one. I remember we interviewed him, Charles Lee, and Jordi Fernandez and in the end we took Darko over all those coaches. Tonight we play Charles Lee team and the Hornets look improved.

Reddick would have been a great coach for Toronto. I was really hoping for Fernandez but I guess the espresso drinker talks a good game.

[Los_29]

Anthony Davis is playing amazing. I thought this Lakers team would struggle, but they are playing really well together.

It is almost like JJ Reddick is a great coach from day one. I remember we interviewed him, Charles Lee, and Jordi Fernandez and in the end we took Darko over all those coaches. Tonight we play Charles Lee team and the Hornets look improved.

Reddick would have been a great coach for Toronto. I was really hoping for Fernandez but I guess the espresso drinker talks a good game.

Redick has coached 4 games so far. He also has the luxury of coaching a veteran team.

Fernandez has been turned down by many teams. He’s not a bad coach but he did make some glaring mistakes in the Olympics.

At the end of the day you have to go with the coach who can develop players especially when compared to coaches that aren’t known for neither their X’s and O’s and player development. Easy choice and it’s looking pretty good so far.

[YogurtProducer]

Wish we had this year Indiana first round pick instead of next year ...

Well, that was not possible with them giving us the 2024 1st.

[YogurtProducer]

Haliburton is back to being bad again?

Man.. if his first half of 2023/24 was a mirage we might have a great pick next year... Siakam one year older, Turner is a FA (we could **** with Indiana and go after him), etc.

[JB7]

Haliburton is back to being bad again?

Man.. if his first half of 2023/24 was a mirage we might have a great pick next year... Siakam one year older, Turner is a FA (we could **** with Indiana and go after him), etc.

Teams will chase after Turner. He is probably getting paid. I wonder if that is why the Pacers signed Wiseman, as a backup plan (not saying this is a good backup plan).

[Lord_Zedd]

Haliburton clearly needs to rest. I don't think I've ever seen him hoist up a couple air balls in a single game before.

Maybe one - but twice in the same game vs ORL? yeah.....

And Nembhard looks like he's fallen back to earth

If they do rest him, hopefully it's next year

[Zeno]

Haliburton is back to being bad again?

Man.. if his first half of 2023/24 was a mirage we might have a great pick next year... Siakam one year older, Turner is a FA (we could **** with Indiana and go after him), etc.

Teams will chase after Turner. He is probably getting paid. I wonder if that is why the Pacers signed Wiseman, as a backup plan (not saying this is a good backup plan).

I don't think he will be as expensive as people think. His defense has really fallen off and the teams that have more than the MLE to offer in capspace (basically the Nets) aren't really in the market for a C. he probably gets a little squeezed by the market.

[JB7]

Haliburton is back to being bad again?

Man.. if his first half of 2023/24 was a mirage we might have a great pick next year... Siakam one year older, Turner is a FA (we could **** with Indiana and go after him), etc.

Teams will chase after Turner. He is probably getting paid. I wonder if that is why the Pacers signed Wiseman, as a backup plan (not saying this is a good backup plan).

I don't think he will be as expensive as people think. His defense has really fallen off and the teams that have more than the MLE to offer in capspace (basically the Nets) aren't really in the market for a C. he probably gets a little squeezed by the market.

Just because he is a 3pt shooting C, I would think he'll draw decent interest. Some team will be stupid enough to overpay him.

Can another team use the Nets to facilitate a S&T, if Indy tries to squeeze him?

[YogurtProducer]

Haliburton is back to being bad again?

Man.. if his first half of 2023/24 was a mirage we might have a great pick next year... Siakam one year older, Turner is a FA (we could **** with Indiana and go after him), etc.

Teams will chase after Turner. He is probably getting paid. I wonder if that is why the Pacers signed Wiseman, as a backup plan (not saying this is a good backup plan).

Not a lot of cap space out there this summer. We are actually one of the few that can make some though, or at least one that has some assets to make a sign and trade work.

[Zeno]

Teams will chase after Turner. He is probably getting paid. I wonder if that is why the Pacers signed Wiseman, as a backup plan (not saying this is a good backup plan).

I don't think he will be as expensive as people think. His defense has really fallen off and the teams that have more than the MLE to offer in capspace (basically the Nets) aren't really in the market for a C. he probably gets a little squeezed by the market.

Just because he is a 3pt shooting C, I would think he'll draw decent interest. Some team will be stupid enough to overpay him.

Can another team use the Nets to facilitate a S&T, if Indy tries to squeeze him?

No, you can't use capspace to sign and then trade a free agent that isn't your own I don't believe. But I'm sure Indy will work a sign and trade if necessary, just saying that it is unlikely he just walks in free agency.

[ForeverTFC]

I don't think he will be as expensive as people think. His defense has really fallen off and the teams that have more than the MLE to offer in capspace (basically the Nets) aren't really in the market for a C. he probably gets a little squeezed by the market.

Just because he is a 3pt shooting C, I would think he'll draw decent interest. Some team will be stupid enough to overpay him.

Can another team use the Nets to facilitate a S&T, if Indy tries to squeeze him?

No, you can't use capspace to sign and then trade a free agent that isn't your own I don't believe. But I'm sure Indy will work a sign and trade if necessary, just saying that it is unlikely he just walks in free agency.

Yup. And, I'm not sure why Indy would do a sign and trade unless he wants out and is refusing to sign - even if he does ask for a lot. If Indy could extend him, they already would have done so. He's not extended because they can't with the way they did his last extension. So Indy has to wait for him to go to FA to sign him again. There are no real Cs in the market next year, and they need a stretch C to put beside Siakam who they've invested a max in. They also owe us a pick and don't have the luxury of taking a step back. Odds that he's not there next year are like <5%.

[YogurtProducer]

Just because he is a 3pt shooting C, I would think he'll draw decent interest. Some team will be stupid enough to overpay him.

Can another team use the Nets to facilitate a S&T, if Indy tries to squeeze him?

No, you can't use capspace to sign and then trade a free agent that isn't your own I don't believe. But I'm sure Indy will work a sign and trade if necessary, just saying that it is unlikely he just walks in free agency.

Yup. And, I'm not sure why Indy would do a sign and trade unless he wants out and is refusing to sign - even if he does ask for a lot. If Indy could extend him, they already would have done so. He's not extended because they can't with the way they did his last extension. So Indy has to wait for him to go to FA to sign him again. There are no real Cs in the market next year, and they need a stretch C to put beside Siakam who they've invested a max in. They also owe us a pick and don't have the luxury of taking a step back. Odds that he's not there next year are like <5%.

Say Indiana has a poor season, like 35-47, do they really wanna invest $30M into Turner when Siakam/Hali are making $90M? They maybe just spend elsewhere and hope Isaiah Jackson can scale up minutes or something.

Flip side - if they are not great this year they could pull an "us" and just rebuild again. They have so much youth in Hali / Nemnhard / Mathurin / Walker / Jackson / Nesmith / Sheppard maybe they decide that keeping Siakam and 30 year old Turner is not preferable.

[Zeno]

No, you can't use capspace to sign and then trade a free agent that isn't your own I don't believe. But I'm sure Indy will work a sign and trade if necessary, just saying that it is unlikely he just walks in free agency.

Yup. And, I'm not sure why Indy would do a sign and trade unless he wants out and is refusing to sign - even if he does ask for a lot. If Indy could extend him, they already would have done so. He's not extended because they can't with the way they did his last extension. So Indy has to wait for him to go to FA to sign him again. There are no real Cs in the market next year, and they need a stretch C to put beside Siakam who they've invested a max in. They also owe us a pick and don't have the luxury of taking a step back. Odds that he's not there next year are like <5%.

Say Indiana has a poor season, like 35-47, do they really wanna invest $30M into Turner when Siakam/Hali are making $90M? They maybe just spend elsewhere and hope Isaiah Jackson can scale up minutes or something.

Flip side - if they are not great this year they could pull an "us" and just rebuild again. They have so much youth in Hali / Nemnhard / Mathurin / Walker / Jackson / Nesmith / Sheppard maybe they decide that keeping Siakam and 30 year old Turner is not preferable.

Agreed, that is why I suggested that they might look to trade him now or do a sign and trade next offseason. His defence has fallen off quite a bit.

[ForeverTFC]

Yup. And, I'm not sure why Indy would do a sign and trade unless he wants out and is refusing to sign - even if he does ask for a lot. If Indy could extend him, they already would have done so. He's not extended because they can't with the way they did his last extension. So Indy has to wait for him to go to FA to sign him again. There are no real Cs in the market next year, and they need a stretch C to put beside Siakam who they've invested a max in. They also owe us a pick and don't have the luxury of taking a step back. Odds that he's not there next year are like <5%.

Say Indiana has a poor season, like 35-47, do they really wanna invest $30M into Turner when Siakam/Hali are making $90M? They maybe just spend elsewhere and hope Isaiah Jackson can scale up minutes or something.

Flip side - if they are not great this year they could pull an "us" and just rebuild again. They have so much youth in Hali / Nemnhard / Mathurin / Walker / Jackson / Nesmith / Sheppard maybe they decide that keeping Siakam and 30 year old Turner is not preferable.

Agreed, that is why I suggested that they might look to trade him now or do a sign and trade next offseason. His defence has fallen off quite a bit.

They're only in year 1 of Hali's 5 year supermax and Siakam's 4 year max. It's hard to see them pulling the plug on that core this early. So I think it's prudent to think about them building around these 2. Of course there is always the possibility that they decide to pull the plug early, but the fact that they are not an FA market and that their owner refuses to tank/lose, it's tough to see that possibility.

So if we assume they are going to build around Siakam and Hali and try to win, their hole is pretty clear: a big 3+D wing. If you remove Turner from their cap sheet, they are still over so would need to trade for that piece. They have ~3 big enough contracts to be able to bring in anyone above the MLE on in a trade: Turner, Toppin, Nemhard. They also have all of their picks outside the '26 they owe us. So Tuner walking in FA is out of the question from a cap perspective - he's either re-signed, traded, or sign and traded.

So then let's look at the trade route. If they remove Turner to bring in a wing, they now have a hole at C. It's tough to envision Jackson in that role based on who they've built around. We have 3 years of data on Jackson: he doesn't shoot. That profile of a C doesn't work with how Carlilse has this team playing or what you need beside Siakam and Hali. Given they have all of their picks, it will be better for them to move the Toppin/Nemhard salaries + their picks to address the hole instead of just creating another one.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but I think it has to be last resort. And as mentioned by others, Turner really isn't in a place to demand a ton of money as the Nets are the only team with cap room next year big enough to sign him. I'd have to think they would have already made moves if they thought they couldn't bring Turner back. Keep in mind that they can't extend him because of how his contract was structured, but that doesn't mean they haven't discussed what a next contract could look like.

[WaltFrazier]

Indiana beat Boston tonight in OT after having big lead. Mathurin 30 and Pascal 29.

Cavs handled Lakers, is the shine coming off JJ with 2 straight losses.

KAT scores 44 and destroyed Bam. Big comeback win by NYK.

Quite a night in the Association.

[PushDaRock]

Siakam showing up clutch for once is nice to see for him.

[ItsDanger]

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NGL i wasn't too high on this one coming into the draft but hes been playing really good this year....Forsure he was on Masai radar.

[Tripod]

Gradey and Bilal are tied at 18.8pts/game this year and that leads their draft class. Scoring more than Wemby so far!

But it's early.