2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[al bondiga]

Ain't it funny how in the nba, Standings are almost always More or less the same at the end of the season as in the beginning... It has been this way since I can remember

Does this mean the heat will finish with the fourth seed???

[al bondiga]

[eddieheatfan]

Thru the first three games of the Terro backcourt

37.6 pts, 29.3 fga, 37 3p%, 8.5 ast

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Right, but I say Herro because that's what I've seen for many years now, Rozier is playing basically the same high volume game as Herro does so now Miami has two high volume lower efficiency scorers on the court with Butler and Bam. Bam isn't all that demanding on wanting the ball so I expect his FGA will be much lower this year than previous years while Butler will still try to get his possessions somewhere in the game.

I do believe Spoelstra has decided to play towards Herro and Roziehttps://www.vividseats.com/?wsUser=958r's strengths in hopes of making them more efficient and expecting the two top guys in Butler and Bam to figure out how they can get their own shots inside of that guard oriented offense. Maybe this is just the new build/system for the long term with this year just a transition to that new system which means slower paced players like Butler and possibly Bam no longer higher options in the offense.

With New York missing thier defensive center, Miami has a chance to start off at 4-1 (although that's not a given) which will make a lot of people hopeful, but by game 20 that hope may be completely erased.

I still believe its something that is going to fluctuate from game to game. Jimmy has the skillset that if he wants to force the issue early he can certainly put his head down and be in attack mode, and to be honest there are some matchups that its going to be exactly what this team needs - I don't think anyone is stopping him.

Now admittedly I'm more of an eye test guy than I am advanced stats, my early observation through three games with the starters is the ball is moving around and Jimmy does have pockets to attack but for whatever reason hasn't been as aggressive as he could be. Herro, perhaps surprising to some, has played the way people have wanted him to play with the starters. He isn't pounding the rock, his shots are coming within the flow of the offense, and he's actually making them at a pretty good clip. Again I'm not really into the advanced stats but I did look up first quarter numbers: 4/7 9 pts, 2/3 5 pts, 3/4 7 pts. Detroit game was on the higher side in terms of fga but he's been efficient to open games.

Long story short I'm not convinced its Spo consciously scheming towards the strengths of the backcourt as much it is Jimmy just not dialing his own number early in games as he has the ability to.

In the 3 games and specifically game 1 I saw a more open offense with the starters where the guards have most say about how the offense run but the last 2 games, I saw Butler doing about the same with the starters and then being more demanding for the ball with the backups. More games will help tell the story better than just the first 3 games but that 77 touches for Rozier was wild for a first game of the season.

[SA37]

I want that one trade Beenie suggested.

Green, Jabari, Reed, Thompson, 3 1sts and 3 pick swaps for Butler.

Sign me up.

No way Houston gives up all that for Butler.

My feeling is Miami wouldn't want much of what Houston has to offer, not least because they have a lot of young guys who play a similar position to Herro, JJJ, and Rozier. My guess is Miami would be looking to get a 3rd and/or 4th team involved to get more proven veterans in return. So perhaps targeting guys like Jerami Grant or Kyle Kuzma.

Miami gets: J Grant, R Sheppard, and a 1st from Houston

Houston gets: Butler

Portland gets: D Brooks and Amen Thompson

Bam / Bryant
Jovic / Love
Grant / JJJ
Herro / Robinson / Highsmith
Rozier / Sheppard / Richardson

Yeah, its too much. I was trolling Beenie a lil bit with that.

Your return is quality. If im nit picking, Id probably rather have Jabari than Jerami.

Would cut Portland out completely.

Apologies for not catching the good trolling

The trade idea is based on what I think Riley would do versus what I would do or like to see. I just can't see him trading Butler for a bunch of unproven youngsters/draft picks. He's always been a vet guy, and Grant is about as good of a player as Miami can expect to get given the lack of availability of a star. (I don't know Miami would have any interest in Trae Young, who is the other guy I think could potentially be available in a trade.)

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we do make this trade with Houston you guys might be highly disappointed in what we get back. I'm thinking it's going to be more like like Steven Adams(Expiring), Dillon Brooks(vet replacement at the 3 for Butler), and contract filler Tate to make the numbers work just enough to allow Houston to eat something like close to 8 million lowering the tax bill from 27 million to a more manageable figure. We would be over something like 5.9 million with a chance to dump Tate onto another team getting out of the tax penalties this year all together. I do think we'll end up with some variation of Houston's first round picks in 2027 and 2029. They own 2 I believe in those years. Getting a 2027 first will negate giving the Hornets an unprotected in 2028. Would give us the option of tanking this year if not and we somehow sneak into the back end of the playoffs with Brooks and pay out OKC. We will have picks in 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 (2) and 2030. Brooks and Rozier could then be shipped off with picks for a potential young star who wants out.

[RexBoyWonder]

Sadly, I have yet to see a true solution - a real path to build a legit contender without tanking.

Getting Jimmy for what we paid was a semi-miracle.

Jimmy's teams overachieving was also a semi-miracle.

Now with Jimmy's era coming to it's end - I didn't see any idea how to go about creating our next contending team. Creating huge cap space won't help us - no stars are hitting free agency anymore, they're all extending with their current teams for the biggest contracts they could get.

So how do you build a great team when you keep getting picks outside the lottery (where young stars are extremely rare)? To add to that, we still owe 2 first round picks in the next few years.

Riddle me that if you can.

[contract]

Through 4 games:

Butler 43 fga
Bam: 38 fga
Our 2 best players combined: 81 fga

Herro: 65 fga
Rozier: 57 fga
Our garbage backcourt: 122 fga

Everything is fine.

[contract]

This team is being held hostage by two garbage players who refuse to stop shooting the ball, and who aren't being forced to stop.

[contract]

There's no point in paying two guys max money just so they can watch Herro and Rozier play garbage basketball. Blow this whole team up.

[VaDe255]

Through 4 games:

Butler 43 fga
Bam: 38 fga
Our 2 best players combined: 81 fga

Herro: 65 fga
Rozier: 57 fga
Our garbage backcourt: 122 fga

Everything is fine.

I don't know why you are trashing T&T after those 4 games, they have been the best part of this team so far.

Tyler is playing at an all star level: 22.4 ppg / 63.3% TS / 43.2% on 3s and 5.3 asts / 1.8 TOs.
Terry is just fine: 18.5 ppg / 59.4% TS / 42.4% on 3s and 4.5 asts / 2.3 TOs.

These are great offensive stats for a backcourt, they are spacing the floor, scoring efficiently and making plays at good asts/TO ratios.
I expect these numbers to drop (they are not that good, imho), if they kept these numbers for a season it would be one of best offensive back courts in the league.

Bam is having a really bad start to the season and Jimmy should be more aggressive, also their bench play is incosistent so far and Duncan is just not performing at all, if you look for some blame it's more here than on T&T.

[Kobewade11]

Idk about anyone else but I dont want Herro to stop taking wide open shots due to some narrative about who should be getting the most FG attempts, especially at a blistering 43% from 3. Jimmy is the leader of team he can call his own number whenever he wants, if he wants the shots he can take them.

[MartyConlonJr]

Devils advocate here, but Herro is shooting 0.477 FG%, 0.432 3PT%, and 0.917 FT%, for an eFG% of .600 and a TS% of 0.633.

Jimmy has only once in his career hit a TS% that high and never an eFG% that high. Bam has never hit either efficiency markers.

[contract]

Through 4 games:

Butler 43 fga
Bam: 38 fga
Our 2 best players combined: 81 fga

Herro: 65 fga
Rozier: 57 fga
Our garbage backcourt: 122 fga

Everything is fine.

I don't know why you are trashing T&T after those 4 games, they have been the best part of this team so far.

Tyler is playing at an all star level: 22.4 ppg / 63.3% TS / 43.2% on 3s and 5.3 asts / 1.8 TOs.
Terry is just fine: 18.5 ppg / 59.4% TS / 42.4% on 3s and 4.5 asts / 2.3 TOs.

These are great offensive stats for a backcourt, they are spacing the floor, scoring efficiently and making plays at good asts/TO ratios.
I expect these numbers to drop (they are not that good, imho), if they kept these numbers for a season it would be one of best offensive back courts in the league.

Bam is having a really bad start to the season and Jimmy should be more aggressive, also their bench play is incosistent so far and Duncan is just not performing at all, if you look for some blame it's more here than on T&T.

Because it doesn't matter what their stats look like. "My stats are great" is the battle cry of every empty stats scrub in the league.

You can't compete for a championship with two bums dominating the ball and the shots.

[RexBoyWonder]

Terry and herro are playing great, better then what you can realistically expect.

It's the team chemistry that's off, combined with Bam sucking and Jimmy being too passive.

IF, and that's a big If, we can get everyone firing on all cylinders simultaneously - the upside of a very good team is there. but currently nothing is clicking collectively.

Spo has his work cut out for him.

[wadenation305]

This team is being held hostage by two garbage players who refuse to stop shooting the ball, and who aren't being forced to stop.

If your two top players are non-shooters (Or at least unwilling to tell someone to give me the damn ball and get out of my way) who else is going to shoot?

Don't get me wrong I agree the shot distribution should not be what it is, but I think that's more on Jimmy and Bam than anyone else. Do you think Lebron would be good with less than 10 shots a game? No, he'd demand the ball and for the other guy to learn his place. Our stars do not have that. Herro at least yesterday played up to his contract. Bam and Yimmy did not. Again I am not stanning for Herro, more of a critique on Bam And Butler.


People need to come to terms that the most logical thing this FO can do (and sadly won't) is blow it all up, recoup assets while they still can, and start again. I'd give Bam the option of waiting it out to see if one of his friends can be swayed to come, with us having cap space and assets so as not to be raked over the coals in any transaction we try.

[wadenation305]

Also, notice how "Jimmy needs to be more aggressive" has been a constant thing for over a year. If I'm in the FO and the guy wants an extension for a HIGHER AMOUNT than his current 48 MIL/yr plays like this. I'd ship his ass out with the quickness before anyone even knows what happened.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Can't extend Jimmy and don't need him opting in to his contract next year either. It's time to pull the plug and make a deal.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Honestly Herro has been the best part of this team this early season and is proving he wants to be here. Still think he needs a more defensive PG next to him in the lineup. I know the organization thinks they have that in Dru Smith but he's just another ultra jag like Jagsmith himself.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Terry and herro are playing great, better then what you can realistically expect.

It's the team chemistry that's off, combined with Bam sucking and Jimmy being too passive.

IF, and that's a big If, we can get everyone firing on all cylinders simultaneously - the upside of a very good team is there. but currently nothing is clicking collectively.

Spo has his work cut out for him.

Terry and Herro have been ok but inefficient at least coming from Terry's end. Also not good enough surrounding core defensively to support those two in the backcourt. Maybe if we had a skyscraping young 7 footer we could put in to protect the rim it could make things a little better. My guess is Spo will go back to putting the 6'8 cement footed Kevin Love back at Center when he comes back.