YogurtProducer wrote:Raps in 4 wrote:If I ignore 2022-2024, then it's very positive. He drafted well with the picks he had the last two years.
But we can't ignore the last two years of blunders, because they've put the team in a deep hole. Trading FRPs for Thad and Yak was a huge mistake. Holding onto Pascal until the last minute was another one. We should have had far more FRPs the last few years.
You also cant ignore the years before the last two years. That is equally illogical.
How many times does this need to be said though...
Thad - that was a trade down of 13 spots, not a trade away. Koloko was a good pick there (and would have been good at 20 to). Tough to fault anyone for a sickness.
Yak - huge mistake? If anything, the early returns this season on what we lost out on there are showing maybe losing that pick was not a big deal. Plus - no one knows what is gonna happen with Yak. For all we know he is packaged along with other stuff for a huge upgrade (or picks and a step back).
Pascal - we never were gonna get more than what we got unless we traded him at the peak out "this" team in 2020ish. But no one would have said you should trade away a 25 year old all-nba player
These are the posts that always kill me. Our "big mistakes" would mean having (best case) Walker Kessler (or honestly, maybe still Koloko) and Rob Dillingham/Zach Edey/Whoever, instead of what we have now. AKA - nothing that fundamentally would change our fortunes right now. Lets just be honest about it for once.
Well... if Masai is as good at finding "best cases" in the draft as some say, then if anyone would've recognized Kessler as superior, it would've been Masai, especially considering our needs at C. I'm actually high on Edey. We tanked hard late last season and I'd like to think maybe it was for Edey. He has good fundamentals, hard worker, good BBIQ (which Masai likes) and, again, C is a need.
Re Thad/Yak/Pascal, frankly, those were mistakes that you're putting political spin to make it appear better. You can do that with the positives as well & spin it the other way. E.g., on Barnes over Suggs wasn't so much of a reach since both were considered top 5 in the draft. And Suggs has been better since his rookie year now at 17/5/4 on 40% 3PT and NBA All-Defense Second Team.
Or if you count Koloko as poor luck, then to be consistent, can't you say Mogbo and Shead were luck (on the good side) as well? You can't credit him with only the good and the bad is excused away.
So if these posts "kill you," then for those who are tend to be less positive, your posts kill them as well. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. And I'll end off by saying I do think Masai tend to do well in the draft on average, which is why I think we shouldn't have been trading away and draft picks (or moving 13 spots down, whatever) when we were supposedly rebuilding.
