PushDaRock wrote:Tripod wrote:Mogbo average NBA athlete?
He can dunk but the average NBA player can as well, so that makes him an average NBA athlete clearly.
I didn't know dunking was how you determined an NBA athlete.
Carry on
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PushDaRock wrote:Tripod wrote:Mogbo average NBA athlete?
He can dunk but the average NBA player can as well, so that makes him an average NBA athlete clearly.
Tripod wrote:PushDaRock wrote:Tripod wrote:Mogbo average NBA athlete?
He can dunk but the average NBA player can as well, so that makes him an average NBA athlete clearly.
I didn't know dunking was how you determined an NBA athlete.
Carry on
Badonkadonk wrote:Dalek wrote:PushDaRock wrote:
It's insulting really to even imply something like this because it detracts from a guy that worked extremely hard to go from a largely unknown and unheralded prospect to becoming what appears to be a legit NBA player at worst.
I am sorry it feels insulting but this is the NBA and nepotism is commonplace. You have Bronny getting drafted for LBJ, you have father/son - Doc Rivers+Austin Rivers. There are just so many cases of Nepo babies. Being best friends with Scottie has got to be a factor.
On the surface of it, if there was no connection, why would the Raps want a player with zero shooting gravity and no size to play the frontcourt? What's the point of Mogbo? To take a long shot guess he would be the next OG or Precious? Mogbo is already turned 23 so the idea is he should be close to a finished product at this point as he hits his peak years.
It is up to Mogbo to stick in the NBA. He can guard, but he will have to learn to shoot. I still see an average NBA athlete with zero shooting range.
I think of guys like Kendall Brown, Greg Brown III who are those guys who could handle a bit, defend a bit and be athletes, and they never stuck. His template should be Naji Marshall but it will take a few years. I do see some hope because his freethrows look decent.
That's not insulting, it's just incorrect. Mogbo was mocked in the 30s for the most part, NBAdraft.net had him mocked 31st and 27th on their big board. It's not like a Bronny situation, he was well within the range of where he was expected to go given how variable those late picks can be.
Got Nuffin wrote:Badonkadonk wrote:Dalek wrote:
I am sorry it feels insulting but this is the NBA and nepotism is commonplace. You have Bronny getting drafted for LBJ, you have father/son - Doc Rivers+Austin Rivers. There are just so many cases of Nepo babies. Being best friends with Scottie has got to be a factor.
On the surface of it, if there was no connection, why would the Raps want a player with zero shooting gravity and no size to play the frontcourt? What's the point of Mogbo? To take a long shot guess he would be the next OG or Precious? Mogbo is already turned 23 so the idea is he should be close to a finished product at this point as he hits his peak years.
It is up to Mogbo to stick in the NBA. He can guard, but he will have to learn to shoot. I still see an average NBA athlete with zero shooting range.
I think of guys like Kendall Brown, Greg Brown III who are those guys who could handle a bit, defend a bit and be athletes, and they never stuck. His template should be Naji Marshall but it will take a few years. I do see some hope because his freethrows look decent.
That's not insulting, it's just incorrect. Mogbo was mocked in the 30s for the most part, NBAdraft.net had him mocked 31st and 27th on their big board. It's not like a Bronny situation, he was well within the range of where he was expected to go given how variable those late picks can be.
And he is the one starting in Barnes' absence because we have a need for a long defender at around his size with a high IQ and he fits the mold exactly. So no idea where this idea of him not having a point on this team is coming from. He's around the same age as Siakam was in his rookie year so to say he can't develop after following this team is nuts.
He has been a fantastic pick for us so far and will likely be a valuable bench piece for years to come.
Dalek wrote:PushDaRock wrote:Quattro wrote:
There is zero chance this front office drafted a guy because he was friends with Barnes. They've never operated like that.
It's insulting really to even imply something like this because it detracts from a guy that worked extremely hard to go from a largely unknown and unheralded prospect to becoming what appears to be a legit NBA player at worst.
I am sorry it feels insulting but this is the NBA and nepotism is commonplace. You have Bronny getting drafted for LBJ, you have father/son - Doc Rivers+Austin Rivers. There are just so many cases of Nepo babies. Being best friends with Scottie has got to be a factor.
On the surface of it, if there was no connection, why would the Raps want a player with zero shooting gravity and no size to play the frontcourt? What's the point of Mogbo? To take a long shot guess he would be the next OG or Precious? Mogbo is already turned 23 so the idea is he should be close to a finished product at this point as he hits his peak years.
It is up to Mogbo to stick in the NBA. He can guard, but he will have to learn to shoot. I still see an average NBA athlete with zero shooting range.
I think of guys like Kendall Brown, Greg Brown III who are those guys who could handle a bit, defend a bit and be athletes, and they never stuck. His template should be Naji Marshall but it will take a few years. I do see some hope because his freethrows look decent.
RoteSchroder wrote:Mogbo's already better than half the bench players in the league
leading our team in Ortg/Drtg (129/115) and BPM (3.1) where nearly the entire team is in the negative
GLF wrote:LOL why are people acting like Mogbo not being able to shoot means Masai wouldn’t want him? Raptors have been drafting guys who can’t shoot but are long and athletic for forever lol. The hope is always they can teach the player to shoot. It hasn’t always worked out, but shooting is still much easier to teach than feel for the game, and Mogbo is showing to have the latter already.
Since we lost almost all our 6’9 guys a player like Mogbo is even more needed. Mogbo also played amazing in college and had great advanced stats. To act like there is zero chance Masai wanted him beyond him being Scottie’s friend is crazy lol. We needed length, athleticism, defence and rebounding. He already brings all of that. And has a decent handle and passing chops for his size, which is just icing on the cake. Why are we acting like he fills no needs of ours.
I swear people on this board only care about shooting and that’s it. Right when a guy can’t shoot everyone acts like there is nothing else that player can bring to the game that can impact their team in a positive way. If that was the case everyone in the NBA would be able to shoot. Every NBA rotation player would be able to shoot. That’s just not the case. Some of y’all are very bad at evaluating talent. Thank God y’all are not the GM of this team and Bobby is lol
TGM wrote:People comparing Mogbo to Draymond are dreaming. Draymond had a very good jump shot back in college already. Motors were around the same, but Draymond was a clear leader, glue guy and was strong as hell. I think if Mogbo can be a strong role player/fringe starter I will be pretty happy.
OakleyDokely wrote:What Mogbo eventually becomes is up in the air. It's been 5 games, so who really knows.
But this idea that they only took him because he's friends with Scottie is ridiculous.
He was mocked by most reputable sites as an early 2nd round pick, some thought he could go as early as the late 1st. He was an analytical darling with advanced stats showing that he was an elite rebounder and passer at the college level. Add on top of that he's built like the ideal modern big wing, small ball big with a 7'2 wingspan and a NBA body.
And he's already showing why the pick was justified with his performance. It's very rare for a 2nd rounder to play right out of the gate and not look out of place, especially against starting caliber players. He definitely needs to work on his shooting to take the next step, but even without that, he's already contributing positively.
TGM wrote:People comparing Mogbo to Draymond are dreaming. Draymond had a very good jump shot back in college already. Motors were around the same, but Draymond was a clear leader, glue guy and was strong as hell. I think if Mogbo can be a strong role player/fringe starter I will be pretty happy.
Tripod wrote:TGM wrote:People comparing Mogbo to Draymond are dreaming. Draymond had a very good jump shot back in college already. Motors were around the same, but Draymond was a clear leader, glue guy and was strong as hell. I think if Mogbo can be a strong role player/fringe starter I will be pretty happy.
I thing it's more that he can be a small big on the floor who can facilitate at the top of the key on offense and be great defensively. Drayton certainly isn't known for his shooting and time will tell if Mogbo ever improves that part of his game. His FT shooting suggests that it possibly can.
Personally it looks like he can do more out there but is playing within his limits which is great. I do think when he is catching the ball at the top of the key he is only pooking to pass to run certain plays and never looking to drive fir his own bucket. And once he does that will open things up for others more. But that may also be by design given we are 5 games in.
GreatWhiteStiff wrote:So Mob has played 4 30 minute games (120 minutes). Per 36 of 15/9/4/3/2. He's true shooting is nearly 60% despite shooting 20% on 5 threes. PER is 19, and his plus minus has been relatively VERY GOOD in at least 3 games and solidly in the positive for the year. He might be leading the team in plus minus, not sure. I mean is anyone else on the team in the positives? I looked at Ochai, Barnes, Dick all negative.
Allegedly, and I mean it seems obvious, we're reliant on Scottie Barnes but he hadn't had a plus game this year before being injured, which is a bit odd.
Tripod wrote:PushDaRock wrote:Tripod wrote:Mogbo average NBA athlete?
He can dunk but the average NBA player can as well, so that makes him an average NBA athlete clearly.
I didn't know dunking was how you determined an NBA athlete.
Carry on
Scase wrote:Tripod wrote:TGM wrote:People comparing Mogbo to Draymond are dreaming. Draymond had a very good jump shot back in college already. Motors were around the same, but Draymond was a clear leader, glue guy and was strong as hell. I think if Mogbo can be a strong role player/fringe starter I will be pretty happy.
I thing it's more that he can be a small big on the floor who can facilitate at the top of the key on offense and be great defensively. Drayton certainly isn't known for his shooting and time will tell if Mogbo ever improves that part of his game. His FT shooting suggests that it possibly can.
Personally it looks like he can do more out there but is playing within his limits which is great. I do think when he is catching the ball at the top of the key he is only pooking to pass to run certain plays and never looking to drive fir his own bucket. And once he does that will open things up for others more. But that may also be by design given we are 5 games in.
It seems like he can ultimately grow into what Darko is trying to use Jak for now, a big man that handles the ball to a reasonable degree and isn't just a dump into the post type player. Jak is doing his best right now, but it ain't pretty and definitely not playing him to his strengths, Mogbo looks like he could probably manage that in the future.