The Gradey Dick Thread Part 3

[LoveMyRaps]

Yeah he's still on the outside looking in at 10-13.

Coulabily though..... he keeps up that offensive aggressiveness along with his advertised defense, he's easily top 3 in that draft.

Please name 10 rookies that would go above him in a redraft.

I know you didn't ask me, but I like these exercises.

I can confidently say that the following players would go above him, keeping in mind that there will still be a bet on potential: Wemby, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively, Podz. So at best, he's going 10th. I think you can have a real debate between him and Black, George, Podz, Jaquez, Whitmore.

With that said, if you asked who I personally would take over him based on play so far, the list gets shorter. For me, it would be Wemby, Miller, Amen, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively. This would put him as high as 7.

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

[djsunyc]

Yeah he's still on the outside looking in at 10-13.

Coulabily though..... he keeps up that offensive aggressiveness along with his advertised defense, he's easily top 3 in that draft.

Please name 10 rookies that would go above him in a redraft.

Wemby
Miller
Scoot (potential is to much to pass up I would guess)
Amen (potential is to much to pass up)
Black (see above)
Bilal
Wallace
Lively

Those are 8 "locks"

Then there is Ausar, Walker, Hendricks, JJJ, Podz, and Whitmore than you can convince yourself to take over him.

He is in that 8-15 range.

he might be the best scorer of his draft

[dagger]

My bet is if you did a redraft today by the teams themselves, many GMs wouldn't change their pick yet, too much of an admission of failure. Do the 2023 draft over a year from now, and there would be more movement.

[RoteSchroder]

Meanwhile, Cam Whitmore looking a bit rough in his first 5 games

[Reeko]

Meanwhile, Cam Whitmore looking a bit rough in his first 5 games

Lol I looked up his stats earlier today. His shooting splits on the season are like 39/0/63.

[WuTang_CMB]

My bet is if you did a redraft today by the teams themselves, many GMs wouldn't change their pick yet, too much of an admission of failure. Do the 2023 draft over a year from now, and there would be more movement.

Weltman botched it. Gradey was mocked to ORL for the longest time hence why we never really zoned in on him on this board. He should have been their pick.

[dTox]

Last season (post trade deadline), this team was almost unwatchable after Scottie went down, not this year.

[PhilBlackson]

Please name 10 rookies that would go above him in a redraft.

Wemby
Miller
Scoot (potential is to much to pass up I would guess)
Amen (potential is to much to pass up)
Black (see above)
Bilal
Wallace
Lively

Those are 8 "locks"

Then there is Ausar, Walker, Hendricks, JJJ, Podz, and Whitmore than you can convince yourself to take over him.

He is in that 8-15 range.

he might be the best scorer of his draft

Not hating but personally I think Miller pretty clearly is (for now) as he can both spot up & take it off the dribble.

Wemby of course can also end up being the ultimate cheat code as he continues to clean up his jumper because as it does there will really be no contesting his shot from anywhere on the court. Once he learns that foul line pull up like Embiid and improves that 3pt %, it’s just over lol.

[Basketball_Jones]

I’d probably take Gradey over Podz and Lively I just think he has more potential and both of those guys are closer to their ceilings already imo.

[JB7]

My bet is if you did a redraft today by the teams themselves, many GMs wouldn't change their pick yet, too much of an admission of failure. Do the 2023 draft over a year from now, and there would be more movement.

Weltman botched it. Gradey was mocked to ORL for the longest time hence why we never really zoned in on him on this board. He should have been their pick.

Yes - Gradey would have fit so perfectly into that team as well. Exactly what they needed. Good for the Raps though, that they were able to get that kind of talent at 13. Just goes to show, you need to be both good and lucky when it comes to the draft.

[YogurtProducer]

Last season (post trade deadline), this team was almost unwatchable after Scottie went down, not this year.

Well last year it wasn’t just Scottie. Itwas Scottie RJ IQ Poeltl Brown

After March, Scottie played 1, RJ 10, IQ 13, Poeltl 2, Boucher 3, Brown 16. Only guys to play more then 20 was Agbaji, JFL, Olynyk, Nwora, Dick.

AKA - 2 dudes not in the league, 2 bench guys, and Dixk (who still might be a bench guy)

[dagger]

Meanwhile, Cam Whitmore looking a bit rough in his first 5 games

It really helps young players shine if they are drafted by the right team. I watched parts of last night's Houston-Dallas game, and whereas Lively is in the perfect situation, with the Luka/Irving backcourt, he'd still be good but maybe less so if he was in a lineup with bad shooting. He doesn;'t space the court, but doesn't have to with Dallas.

Whitmore, on the other hand, played seven minutes. He's stuck behind multiple young guards (Green, Thompson, Sheppard). Reed Sheppard got more playing time in two-PG lineups. Whitmore is a scorer, and on a bad team he might be putting up 15-20 pts a game, but he has tunnel vision and seems to lack a deeper understanding of the game, and I imagine him as a throw-in in a big trade. The Rockets have given near-max deals to Sengun and Green, and will be doing the same for Jabari Smith next summer. I don't know how they will value Tari Eason but he's a lot more important to their future than Whitmore. So that's two more significant extensions handed out next summer, unless Smith or Eason move by trade (Giannis anyone)?

[YogurtProducer]

Please name 10 rookies that would go above him in a redraft.

I know you didn't ask me, but I like these exercises.

I can confidently say that the following players would go above him, keeping in mind that there will still be a bet on potential: Wemby, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively, Podz. So at best, he's going 10th. I think you can have a real debate between him and Black, George, Podz, Jaquez, Whitmore.

With that said, if you asked who I personally would take over him based on play so far, the list gets shorter. For me, it would be Wemby, Miller, Amen, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively. This would put him as high as 7.

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

While long term you might be right, man is this a homer take

Dick is also average 1 rebound and 1 assist this season per game. He also is at best average on the defensive end.

You discount Amen because he "cant shoot" but Dick "cant defend" so why does that not matter?

Also, just because Scoot has been worse does not mean teams are taking Dick over Scoot. Dicks #'s last year werent exactly great.

[Scase]

My bet is if you did a redraft today by the teams themselves, many GMs wouldn't change their pick yet, too much of an admission of failure. Do the 2023 draft over a year from now, and there would be more movement.

Weltman botched it. Gradey was mocked to ORL for the longest time hence why we never really zoned in on him on this board. He should have been their pick.

Yes - Gradey would have fit so perfectly into that team as well. Exactly what they needed. Good for the Raps though, that they were able to get that kind of talent at 13. Just goes to show, you need to be both good and lucky when it comes to the draft.

Definitely an odd choice, they desperately needed shooting, and they went with Howard? Admittedly, I haven't seen much of Howards game, but what I have seen, he never struck me as much of a scorer or shooter.

[Scase]

Meanwhile, Cam Whitmore looking a bit rough in his first 5 games

It really helps young players shine if they are drafted by the right team. I watched parts of last night's Houston-Dallas game, and whereas Lively is in the perfect situation, with the Luka/Irving backcourt, he'd still be good but maybe less so if he was in a lineup with bad shooting. He doesn;'t space the court, but doesn't have to with Dallas.

Whitmore, on the other hand, played seven minutes. He's stuck behind multiple young guards (Green, Thompson, Sheppard). Reed Sheppard got more playing time in two-PG lineups. Whitmore is a scorer, and on a bad team he might be putting up 15-20 pts a game, but he has tunnel vision and seems to lack a deeper understanding of the game, and I imagine him as a throw-in in a big trade. The Rockets have given near-max deals to Sengun and Green, and will be doing the same for Jabari Smith next summer. I don't know how they will value Tari Eason but he's a lot more important to their future than Whitmore. So that's two more significant extensions handed out next summer, unless Smith or Eason move by trade (Giannis anyone)?

Not to mention, how much expectations are really being put on a 20th OA pick. Who knows, maybe he's nothing impressive, but hard to judge him based of his draft position and being stuck behind a ton of young guards. I agree with you, he seems like the perfect sweetener piece in a trade.

[Psubs]

Please name 10 rookies that would go above him in a redraft.

I know you didn't ask me, but I like these exercises.

I can confidently say that the following players would go above him, keeping in mind that there will still be a bet on potential: Wemby, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively, Podz. So at best, he's going 10th. I think you can have a real debate between him and Black, George, Podz, Jaquez, Whitmore.

With that said, if you asked who I personally would take over him based on play so far, the list gets shorter. For me, it would be Wemby, Miller, Amen, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively. This would put him as high as 7.

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

Ya, that's my 3 before Dick. Though really soon, it might just be Wemby as Dick gets stronger.

[Kingsway_fan]

I know you didn't ask me, but I like these exercises.

I can confidently say that the following players would go above him, keeping in mind that there will still be a bet on potential: Wemby, Miller, Scoot, Amen, Ausar, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively, Podz. So at best, he's going 10th. I think you can have a real debate between him and Black, George, Podz, Jaquez, Whitmore.

With that said, if you asked who I personally would take over him based on play so far, the list gets shorter. For me, it would be Wemby, Miller, Amen, Coulibaly, Wallace, Lively. This would put him as high as 7.

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

While long term you might be right, man is this a homer take

Dick is also average 1 rebound and 1 assist this season per game. He also is at best average on the defensive end.

You discount Amen because he "cant shoot" but Dick "cant defend" so why does that not matter?

Also, just because Scoot has been worse does not mean teams are taking Dick over Scoot. Dicks #'s last year werent exactly great.

People aren't looking in the rear view mirror.. it's irrelevant now. they are assessing the present... and projecting THAT forward, near term.

Dick, last three games, averaging 23 points per game ,on over 54 percent efficiency... let's see a larger sample size before drawing more conclusions...

[Syd-TK3]

I’d probably take Gradey over Podz and Lively I just think he has more potential and both of those guys are closer to their ceilings already imo.

We're 5 games into year 2.
The discussion is fun and all but you'd be crazy to give up on some of these guys already just cause Gradey looks good

Edit: I quoted the wrong message but yeah same point lol

[YogurtProducer]

Wemby - Agreed
Miller - Agreed
Scoot - Nopes, Gradey has definitely been better. Numbers back that up.
Amen - Can't shoot.
Ausar - Blood clot issues (yikes!)
Coulibaly - Agreed.
Wallace - Neck & neck
Lively - Has the luxury of playing w/ Luka and has the easiest looks at the basket
Podz - Horrendous start to the season

(Side note: I like the Thompson twins a lot but their inability to shoot is a great concern)

Gradey is averaging near 14ppg on 46/40/86 splits in his last 37 games. Guys like Wallace and Podz don't even come close to those numbers in that same sample size.

With that being said....

I'd have it:
1. Wemby
2. Miller
3. Coulibaly
4. Dick
5. Lively

Not to mention, our of all these guys, Gradey has shown the greatest improvement and is on a clear uptrend.

While long term you might be right, man is this a homer take

Dick is also average 1 rebound and 1 assist this season per game. He also is at best average on the defensive end.

You discount Amen because he "cant shoot" but Dick "cant defend" so why does that not matter?

Also, just because Scoot has been worse does not mean teams are taking Dick over Scoot. Dicks #'s last year werent exactly great.

People aren't looking in the rear view mirror.. it's irrelevant now. they are assessing the present... and projecting THAT forward, near term.

Dick, last three games, averaging 23 points per game ,on over 54 percent efficiency... let's see a larger sample size before drawing more conclusions...

What rear view mirror? You need to look at more than a 3 game sample size to make judgments take this to the general board .Go see how many people rank Dick as 4th in a redraft.

[YogurtProducer]

I’d probably take Gradey over Podz and Lively I just think he has more potential and both of those guys are closer to their ceilings already imo.

We're 5 games into year 2.
The discussion is fun and all but you'd be crazy to give up on some of these guys already just cause Gradey looks good

Edit: I quoted the wrong message but yeah same point lol

Yeah giving up on high prospects 12 months into their career is crazy.

However, it does make me laugh how many people said we made a mistake not tanking when we took Dick, and now he apparently is a top 4 player from the draft SCOOT AND SCOTTIE was blasted on this boards for a long time as "even the consolation prize is great!".

Imagine if we blew up everything just so we could take Scoot **** Henderson