'25-'26 Dynasty - H2H format, keepers, new rules p94, draft oct 14

[sunskerr]

The trade in RealGM Suns Dynasty League was unsuccessful for the following reason:

This trade has not been accepted by the other team within 10 days and it has expired.

This sucks. Bad for league quality too. Not like the player I offered for was so highly valued, since he's been on the bench since the season started.

Dramas. Well I hope it wasnt Matas Buzelis since I've kept him shackled to my bench like the Bulls do irl.

Letting a trade offer go for 10 days does nobody any favors. Let's do our best to be reasonable about communicating/responding, everyone.

[PerkinsFor3]

Do we have any rules in place against tanking? i.e. keeping producing players on the bench when they play?

[bwgood77]

Do we have any rules in place against tanking? i.e. keeping producing players on the bench when they play?

It's frowned upon. We penalize teams from not playing a certain number of games and knock them down a draft tier. But if you just benched good players to play crap ones, that's not in the competitive spirit of the league.

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

My trade made me go young, but I still have good enough players I can't really tank and do some complete rebuild unless I actively did something like that.

[PerkinsFor3]

Do we have any rules in place against tanking? i.e. keeping producing players on the bench when they play?

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

[sunskerr]

Do we have any rules in place against tanking? i.e. keeping producing players on the bench when they play?

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

Yeah teams that are near the bottom of the year get reviewed for tanking and if needed get punished.

We had this conversation last year and determined nothing was egregious, and we have moved managers down a tier in the past.

I don't just look at games played, either -significant/productive players being sat or kept on IL are other factors, as well as rostering deadbeat players. And yeah "significant/productive" is intentionally slightly vague/loose in order to be flexible with catching tanking i.e. I will consider the teams entire circumstances/motivations for setting their lineups a specific way and rostering players, and not just their stats.

But it's also like less than two weeks into the season. You can't really accuse anyone of tanking that quickly.

Anyone is welcome to take the stealth tank challenge if they want to risk not being in the running for cooper flagg.

But I don't recommend it.

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

Yeah teams that are near the bottom of the year get reviewed for tanking and if needed get punished.

We had this conversation last year and determined nothing was egregious, and we have moved managers down a tier in the past.

I don't just look at games played, either -significant/productive players being sat or kept on IL are other factors, as well as rostering deadbeat players. And yeah "significant/productive" is intentionally slightly vague/loose in order to be flexible with catching tanking i.e. I will consider the teams entire circumstances/motivations for setting their lineups a specific way and rostering players, and not just their stats.

But it's also like less than two weeks into the season. You can't really accuse anyone of tanking that quickly.

Anyone is welcome to take the stealth tank challenge if they want to risk not being in the running for cooper flagg.

But I don't recommend it.

In general, it seems that when people set their lineups, say you set a week in advance, I always leave the last day with my worst players on the bench and the best ones in the starting spots. I wait until a day it happens where I can do that. That way if I ever did forget, you are still playing your best players. The only problem would be if some of those guys get injured.

I am not sure why people would not set their rosters. Though if you are not contending for the title I can see people not caring a lot. In my keeper football league, they just do a random lottery every year. Doesn't matter where you finish.

It would be nice if it auto tracked player games played vs how many games players were in a team's starting roster. Like if a top 100 player was benched for 5+ games he was healthy, there is some sort of penalty. It's not like the real NBA obviously, where playing your young guys gets them experience.

[bwgood77]

Damn, my team is being ravaged by injuries already.

[Qwigglez]

Damn, my team is being ravaged by injuries already.

Embiid hasn't played yet, Jazz are tanking hard to try and land Flagg so I doubt Lauri plays over 50 games this season.

[sunskerr]

At least you didn't have Aldama, Richards, and Mann on your radar and rostered before anyone else did and dropped them because they had bad games and were not actually good players last year, and then they suddenly broke out whilst they were all on waiver countdown and their teammates got injured/stayed injured. At the same time.

Oh yeah, the salt is real.

Looking for a forward. Miles Bridges, Anfernee Simons, Buzelis, Nurkic available.

[MrMiyagi]

Do we have any rules in place against tanking? i.e. keeping producing players on the bench when they play?

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

You have no chill my guy. This is a fantasy league with no real stakes.

[PerkinsFor3]

I wouldn't worry much. Even if you play all your players, you will likely finish last, or at worst bottom 3 if some other team has a ton of injuries.

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

You have no chill my guy. This is a fantasy league with no real stakes.

My time invested is real stakes. Right? You like sitting through a 2 hour game of Monopoly if another player is half assing it? This could be a season long version of that.

But as you said, it could just as well be me, and a matter of a bad fit - that's fine as well!

[MrMiyagi]

Im not worried about my own team, Im worried about the activity in the league. One week in, and we have offers simply expiring and rosters not being set by multiple teams. That is a bad sign to me.

You have no chill my guy. This is a fantasy league with no real stakes.

My time invested is real stakes. Right? You like sitting through a 2 hour game of Monopoly if another player is half assing it? This could be a season long version of that.

But as you said, it could just as well be me, and a matter of a bad fit - that's fine as well!

Bruh, you're in 14th place. Maybe you should reconsider how you spend your time?

[bigfoot]

Can I get a refresher on how the draft order is being selected next season? i thought there was an upcoming change but don't recall the details.

[PerkinsFor3]

You have no chill my guy. This is a fantasy league with no real stakes.

My time invested is real stakes. Right? You like sitting through a 2 hour game of Monopoly if another player is half assing it? This could be a season long version of that.

But as you said, it could just as well be me, and a matter of a bad fit - that's fine as well!

Bruh, you're in 14th place. Maybe you should reconsider how you spend your time?

Thanks for the advice, will do!

[bwgood77]

Can I get a refresher on how the draft order is being selected next season? i thought there was an upcoming change but don't recall the details.

3 team tiers, at least for the first 6 picks. Maybe it's the first 12 picks, and then the last tier is 4. sunskerr knows the details.

[sunskerr]

Can I get a refresher on how the draft order is being selected next season? i thought there was an upcoming change but don't recall the details.

3 team tiers, at least for the first 6 picks. Maybe it's the first 12 picks, and then the last tier is 4. sunskerr knows the details.

2025 draft lotto/order
16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

in 2026 (season after this one) we might be experimenting with tying our lotto to the NBA lottery for- at the risk of sounding like David Stern- the sake of driving up enthusiasm. And I may have made an error in thinking about how teams tank, develop, fluctuate year-to-year, etc. when formulating the above tiered system, so the NBA system might just be a really easy solution to this whole thing. Of course we'd modify it so like 14th and 13th seeds (3rd and 4th places) can't win the #1 pick.

Probably should have done it this year...if yall wanna vote on it we can do that doubt it passes mid-season. Sorry about that.

As for not setting lineups and responding to trade offers, I generally side with Kleine in that it's better to be reasonable/honest. Ignoring offers/communications probably does you more harm than good as an ignored inquiry is probably going to make a manager think "why bother" when it comes to future discussions. Setting lineups is just a matter of fair play. And we can catch tanking fairly easily which results in a fairly harsh penalty.

We're got a good mix of invested, new, and laissez-faire sort of managers. We have to be generally relaxed because despite us being a (because of the mixed nature of managers in the league) semi-competitive league, it's a pretty chill league- everyone works different hours, and we're international.

But there are limits to being relaxed/casual, particularly when it becomes an inconvenience or negligence. Setting lineups and checking dms here and trade offers in-app in 30 seconds every day or even two days is not a big ask at all. I think we're definitely more than gracious enough when it comes to managers having real lives (see: our amazing draft clock policy ).

[bigfoot]

Can I get a refresher on how the draft order is being selected next season? i thought there was an upcoming change but don't recall the details.

3 team tiers, at least for the first 6 picks. Maybe it's the first 12 picks, and then the last tier is 4. sunskerr knows the details.

2025 draft lotto/order
16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

in 2026 (season after this one) we might be experimenting with tying our lotto to the NBA lottery for- at the risk of sounding like David Stern- the sake of driving up enthusiasm. And I may have made an error in thinking about how teams tank, develop, fluctuate year-to-year, etc. when formulating the above tiered system, so the NBA system might just be a really easy solution to this whole thing. Of course we'd modify it so like 14th and 13th seeds (3rd and 4th places) can't win the #1 pick.

Probably should have done it this year...if yall wanna vote on it we can do that doubt it passes mid-season. Sorry about that.

As for not setting lineups and responding to trade offers, I generally side with Kleine in that it's better to be reasonable/honest. Ignoring offers/communications probably does you more harm than good as an ignored inquiry is probably going to make a manager think "why bother" when it comes to future discussions. Setting lineups is just a matter of fair play. And we can catch tanking fairly easily which results in a fairly harsh penalty.

We're got a good mix of invested, new, and laissez-faire sort of managers. We have to be generally relaxed because despite us being a (because of the mixed nature of managers in the league) semi-competitive league, it's a pretty chill league- everyone works different hours, and we're international.

But there are limits to being relaxed/casual, particularly when it becomes an inconvenience or negligence. Setting lineups and checking dms here and trade offers in-app in 30 seconds every day or even two days is not a big ask at all. I think we're definitely more than gracious enough when it comes to managers having real lives (see: our amazing draft clock policy ).

I think one thing that limits trade activity is the unlimited acquisition of free agents throughout the season. Maybe change the maximum free agent acquisitions in-season to 3-4 players which is typical of a real NBA season. I imagine once you run out of your acquisitions all you have left to help your teams is seeking out trades. Certainly a change I motion to consider for next season.

I do think an NBA style lottery is a good idea and do not oppose an in-season vote.

[Slim Charless]

3 team tiers, at least for the first 6 picks. Maybe it's the first 12 picks, and then the last tier is 4. sunskerr knows the details.

2025 draft lotto/order
16. 1st place (champion)
15. 2nd place
14. 3rd place
13. 4th place
tier 4.(picks 10-12) 5th 6th 7th
tier 3 (picks 7-9) 8th 9th 10th
tier 2 (picks 4-6) 11th 12th 13th
tier 1 (picks 1-3) 14th 15th 16th

in 2026 (season after this one) we might be experimenting with tying our lotto to the NBA lottery for- at the risk of sounding like David Stern- the sake of driving up enthusiasm. And I may have made an error in thinking about how teams tank, develop, fluctuate year-to-year, etc. when formulating the above tiered system, so the NBA system might just be a really easy solution to this whole thing. Of course we'd modify it so like 14th and 13th seeds (3rd and 4th places) can't win the #1 pick.

Probably should have done it this year...if yall wanna vote on it we can do that doubt it passes mid-season. Sorry about that.

As for not setting lineups and responding to trade offers, I generally side with Kleine in that it's better to be reasonable/honest. Ignoring offers/communications probably does you more harm than good as an ignored inquiry is probably going to make a manager think "why bother" when it comes to future discussions. Setting lineups is just a matter of fair play. And we can catch tanking fairly easily which results in a fairly harsh penalty.

We're got a good mix of invested, new, and laissez-faire sort of managers. We have to be generally relaxed because despite us being a (because of the mixed nature of managers in the league) semi-competitive league, it's a pretty chill league- everyone works different hours, and we're international.

But there are limits to being relaxed/casual, particularly when it becomes an inconvenience or negligence. Setting lineups and checking dms here and trade offers in-app in 30 seconds every day or even two days is not a big ask at all. I think we're definitely more than gracious enough when it comes to managers having real lives (see: our amazing draft clock policy ).

I think one thing that limits trade activity is the unlimited acquisition of free agents throughout the season. Maybe change the maximum free agent acquisitions in-season to 3-4 players which is typical of a real NBA season. I imagine once you run out of your acquisitions all you have left to help your teams is seeking out trades. Certainly a change I motion to consider for next season.

I do think an NBA style lottery is a good idea and do not oppose an in-season vote.

I always felt trades happen closer to the new year. I feel more teams knwo if theyre gonna be good or bad and decide accordingly to move guys. That's when I like to do it lol.

[sunskerr]

I think one thing that limits trade activity is the unlimited acquisition of free agents throughout the season. Maybe change the maximum free agent acquisitions in-season to 3-4 players which is typical of a real NBA season. I imagine once you run out of your acquisitions all you have left to help your teams is seeking out trades. Certainly a change I motion to consider for next season.

I do think an NBA style lottery is a good idea and do not oppose an in-season vote.

We're not particularly worried about the # of trades per se. It's probably a better thing that we dont have too many trades since that is a sign people are valuing their players. Really competitive leagues don't trade often at all. It's probably a good sign there isn't that much trade activity.

Restricting the number of FA pickups would probably have a negative effect because of how many teams do load management now.

non-expired dynasty discord invite for people who havent joined:
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It expires every week so I'll be updating it every now and then

[bwgood77]

I think one thing that limits trade activity is the unlimited acquisition of free agents throughout the season. Maybe change the maximum free agent acquisitions in-season to 3-4 players which is typical of a real NBA season. I imagine once you run out of your acquisitions all you have left to help your teams is seeking out trades. Certainly a change I motion to consider for next season.

I do think an NBA style lottery is a good idea and do not oppose an in-season vote.

We're not particularly worried about the # of trades per se. It's probably a better thing that we dont have too many trades since that is a sign people are valuing their players. Really competitive leagues don't trade often at all. It's probably a good sign there isn't that much trade activity.

Restricting the number of FA pickups would probably have a negative effect because of how many teams do load management now.

non-expired dynasty discord invite for people who havent joined:
https://discord.gg/y6js2Evf
It expires every week so I'll be updating it every now and then

Yeah, limiting free agent pickups make no sense. My roster, for example, is decimated, and I don't usually pick up a lot of free agents, but I had to if I didn't want to get too far behind in games played.