Welcome to Boston, Jaden Springer!

[165bows]

I've been vaguely optimistic about him, mainly based on the quality of Brad's evals and also just the idea of "high end wing defender who might become passable on offense" was a nice fit for this team.

But he's got some work to do. Plus I don't see too many sub-$4M contracts that are appealing and acquirable out there. Maybe Amir Coffey if LAC falls apart or something and want more of a developmental guy.

Prob just $$ but that's boring tho.

[Hal14]

Hal, please don't bother responding to me. I almost always find it tiresome.

Then why did you respond to me in the first place?

I replied to your post, and said why not both? You could've just ignored it and not replied. But you replied again and again and again. Then complain that it's tiresome.

Dude, it's just talking basketball. This is a message board. That's what you do on a message board. You have back and forth discussions.

You don't like "walls of text" ? Well, you can click the foe button and you won't see my posts. Sorry I sometimes have long winded posts where I go in depth and do research, include stats, examples and go into detail beyond just the surface level.

That's one of the reasons why I (sometimes) like coming to this board..because it seemed like on here there was more knowledgeable posters and you could sometimes see posts that were really well thought out, articulate and detailed and showed in depth knowledge of the game - compared to the casuals on the celtics facebook groups or wherever else..

And then YOU have the audacity to rag on me for doing "all of that research on basketball reference"

I wasn't ragging on you. I was just making a point that was relevant to our discussion. You were going on and on and on about positions and trying to dunk on me by saying my claim "was demonstrably false". I simply was countering that point you made and mentioned that in 2024 positions don't really matter that much so it's not worth doing a bunch of research into - so what? Is that a crime that I said that?

whatever man, enjoy your eye test, and writing us tomes about Edy Tavares.

Idk why you're making this so personal and bringing up a player I posted about like 3 years ago.

Remember the "new Hal" who was going to be "more like Switzerland" or whatever? That was an interesting commitment, showed some self-awareness that I'd encourage you to continue to reflect on.

Yes, I do remember. I'm still doing that.

Me putting that in my signature was a commitment to not have personal beefs with posters on here anymore. It was a commitment to try to be more friendly, more cordial with the other posters and to try and keep the content of my posts to just basketball. To only post about basketball and to not post anything where I am talking crap about another poster.

This discussion we've had in this thread, I've only been talking basketball. I haven't made it personal. I have been friendly. And I think I have been respectful. Nothing wrong with some back and forth hoops discussion, exchanging ideas - having a difference in opinion is okay

I didn't call you any names, I didn't swear or flame you. I didn't talk sh*t about you..I just talked basketball. Even though you baited me with the "at the risk of triggering Hal with this" comment. But I still didn't take the bait..I reponded to your post but kept my post about basketball.

Good day, and go Celtics!

[Parliament10]

Alright Everyone, let's stop picking on Hal.
Hal = You need to lighten up, as well.

~ Parl

[Dogen]

I appreciate the way Switzerland Hal will sometimes sift through my rambling, inchoate musing, consider the thesis, and bring actual receipts, whether in agreement or otherwise.

Like my last Springer post, he took the time to add factual, historical information to support my point. This type of activity is literally in the name "RealGM". We get to play like we are GM's and evaluate, teams, players, coaches -- and we get to agree and disagree with each other. Or ignore any post at our wish (and peril! ). And we get to follow up with each on our RealGM skills as the season progresses, ideally in a friendly competitive spirit.

Personally, I slightly preferred the archaic version of this board, when it was more randy. But we are in a kinder, gentler age now.

Now, with that out of the way: to you Springerstan defectors, fading on The Jade One .

You will rue the day!

YOU WILL RUE THE DAY!!

[shackles10]

I appreciate the way Switzerland Hal will sometimes sift through my rambling, inchoate musing, consider the thesis, and bring actual receipts, whether in agreement or otherwise.

Like my last Springer post, he took the time to add factual, historical information to support my point. This type of activity is literally in the name "RealGM". We get to play like we are GM's and evaluate, teams, players, coaches -- and we get to agree and disagree with each other. Or ignore any post at our wish (and peril! ). And we get to follow up with each on our RealGM skills as the season progresses, ideally in a friendly competitive spirit.

Personally, I slightly preferred the archaic version of this board, when it was more randy. But we are in a kinder, gentler age now.

Now, with that out of the way: to you Springerstan defectors, fading on The Jade One .

You will rue the day!

YOU WILL RUE THE DAY!!

Use words like "inchoate" during the wild west days of this board before we won the most recent title and see if you make it out of the thread alive...

[Dogen]

Use words like "inchoate" during the wild west days of this board before we won the most recent title and see if you make it out of the thread alive...

Point taken shackles10, Ritalin Reggie would surely have eaten me alive.

[31to6]

If I rue the day on Springer, awesome.
And then Dogen can DOG ON me!

[redslastlaugh]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

[Parliament10]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

This is so True. I wonder about Scheierman, as well. Brad may have done a bonehead on this one.

Springer = Trade for no one back. Pick only.
Scheierman = Should spend the year in the G League.
Lonnie Walker = Get him back. Pronto.

[Hal14]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

The more I think about it and the deeper we get into the season with Walsh getting rotation mins, Springer getting no rotation mins and the rumors that Brad was shopping Springer in a trade, makes me think that there was kind of a training camp battle with Walsh and Springer. Joe knew there would be an opportunity for 1 of them to crack the rotation but not both of them. So he gave both of them some rotation mins with the regulars during preseason. Walsh was better during preseason and got that spot, and then we hear rumors that Brad made some calls to explore a Springer trade.. (and perhaps Walker was brought in to training camp as insurance in case both Walsh and Springer sucked in camp and Walker was amazing, which didn't happen)

It's still very early in the season. Things could change. Springer could end up getting some mins here and there and contributing. But obviously it's not looking good at this point and does seem like a fairly hgh chance he'll be traded by the deadline..

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

[Dogen]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Lastly, Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

The more I think about it and the deeper we get into the season with Walsh getting rotation mins, Springer getting no rotation mins and the rumors that Brad was shopping Springer in a trade, makes me think that there was kind of a training camp battle with Walsh and Springer. Joe knew there would be an opportunity for 1 of them to crack the rotation but not both of them. So he gave both of them some rotation mins with the regulars during preseason. Walsh was better during preseason and got that spot, and then we hear rumors that Brad made some calls to explore a Springer trade..

It's still very early in the season. Things could change. Springer could end up getting some mins here and there and contributing. But obviously it's not looking good at this point and does seem like a fairly hgh chance he'll be traded by the deadline..

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

Et tu, Heretic14?

-- The Ministry of Springerstan

Nah, I get it. If Walsh has moved ahead of Springer, good on him. He seems to fit well with the ethos of the team and is paying within his role. And a team like the Celtics is going to develop a limited number of players. There's just not the minutes available.

We'll see if Springer gets some minutes once the grind of the reg season sets in more and starters are needing rest. Even if just to showcase him.

Charlotte would not be a bad destination for him. He'd be a nice compliment as a defensive guard on a young team looking to move up the rankings. And it's his hometown.

Whatever happens, Brad is usually good about finding a good situation for players. Jaden may even be secretly -- or openly -- wishing to move on to somewhere where he can get some real court time.

[24istheLAW]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

This is so True. I wonder about Scheierman, as well. Brad may have done a bonehead on this one.

Springer = Trade for no one back. Pick only.
Scheierman = Should spend the year in the G League.
Lonnie Walker = Get him back. Pronto.

While we're ascribing voodoo powers to PBO Brad... I wonder what the deal is with Jay Scrubb. The Celtics have shown some commitment to him. Maybe he was going to get a shot to play last season and the injury derailed it?

[redslastlaugh]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Lastly, Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

I was high on Springer when we acquired him, based mainly on his defensive profile and how mad/scared the Philly fans were that we jobbed them again, lol. But for whatever reason, he hasn’t looked great in NBA games and coach Mazzulla is not playing him.

Jrue being 34 and being so impactful in postseason basketball, I think we need to be protective of his health/longevity to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I wouldn’t even mind it if we put him on the Horford plan and held him out of back2backs. For Jrue’s sake we need another ball handler/guard who can play this regular season. It’s not a final indictment on Jaden Springer… but if Davison, Scheierman, Peterson, Springer are none capable of playing 15 min a night, then we need to add another guard.

That’s my take on it

[Parliament10]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

This is so True. I wonder about Scheierman, as well. Brad may have done a bonehead on this one.

Springer = Trade for no one back. Pick only.
Scheierman = Should spend the year in the G League.
Lonnie Walker = Get him back. Pronto.

While we're ascribing voodoo powers to PBO Brad... I wonder what the deal is with Jay Scrubb. The Celtics have shown some commitment to him. Maybe he was going to get a shot to play last season and the injury derailed it?

Yeah. We may see him during the year. At least for a 10-Day Contract, or two.

[Hal14]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Lastly, Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

I was high on Springer when we acquired him, based mainly on his defensive profile and how mad/scared the Philly fans were that we jobbed them again, lol. But for whatever reason, he hasn’t looked great in NBA games and coach Mazzulla is not playing him.

Jrue being 34 and being so impactful in postseason basketball, I think we need to be protective of his health/longevity to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I wouldn’t even mind it if we put him on the Horford plan and held him out of back2backs. For Jrue’s sake we need another ball handler/guard who can play this regular season. It’s not a final indictment on Jaden Springer… but if Davison, Scheierman, Peterson, Springer are none capable of playing 15 min a night, then we need to add another guard.

That’s my take on it

Maybe..but again, Tatum and Brown are basically guards which gives us 5 of them playing big minutes (tatum, brown, white, jrue, pritchard) so I'm not sure we really need another one. Especially with all the depth we have at other positions (5 good bigs and 2 other good wings in hauser and walsh) so we can play bigger lineups if we're down an extra guard..

Look at last season..the 5 guards we have now getting all the mins were the same 5 guards who got all the mins last season..you mentioned Svi and Banton but they barely ever played, 1 of them got shipped off at the deadline and neither really contributed anything for this team. Yet we still won the title - easily..so someone in that spot is a luxury, rather than a necessity imo..

[Dogen]

Jrue Holiday playing 30+ min a night in his 16th NBA season, is just not the way. Last year we had Dalano Banton and Svi and then added Springer, who all told played 800 minutes. Now Jaden is in yr 4, if he can’t be the 4th guard, or he’s in coach Mazzulla’s doghouse, then we need a 4th guard who can take some minutes off Jrues plate.

I don’t know if that means dump Springer with nothing coming back and sign a Pat Bev or Austin Rivers type, I dunno. It’s a looonnng season and we need another guard who Joe will play on this roster

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Lastly, Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

I was high on Springer when we acquired him, based mainly on his defensive profile and how mad/scared the Philly fans were that we jobbed them again, lol. But for whatever reason, he hasn’t looked great in NBA games and coach Mazzulla is not playing him.

Jrue being 34 and being so impactful in postseason basketball, I think we need to be protective of his health/longevity to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I wouldn’t even mind it if we put him on the Horford plan and held him out of back2backs. For Jrue’s sake we need another ball handler/guard who can play this regular season. It’s not a final indictment on Jaden Springer… but if Davison, Scheierman, Peterson, Springer are none capable of playing 15 min a night, then we need to add another guard.

That’s my take on it

Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr, Justin Holiday are a few names out there looking for work if Jaden was moved for future assets.

IDK, man, I'm good with seeing what we have in Jaden et al, make assessment by the trade deadline.

[Hal14]

Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr, Justin Holiday are a few names out there looking for work if Jaden was moved for future assets.

IDK, man, I'm good with seeing what we have in Jaden et al, make assessment by the trade deadline.

Honestly, DSJ isn't a bad option to backfill that spot, if we trade Springer for draft compensation.

That way:
-Save $ on the tax bill
-Get a comparable player to fill that deep bench guard/tough, gritty defender type of role..but this way, you're getting a guy in that spot who is 26 (turns 27 later this month) so he's at a point in his career where he can play if needed but doesn't *need* to play. Rather than a guy in Springer who's still in development mode so the best place for him is really more of a young rebuilding team like Brooklyn or Washington or Portland where he can actually get mins, develop and sink or swim as an NBA player
-We receive draft compensation which can be used to either draft a guy or package up in a later trade

DSJ can't shoot but as long as we have enough shooters on the floor with him, it would be ok for short spurts here and there..and as the 13th man, he'd barely ever be needed to play anyways..

[shackles10]

I mean, we're only 7 games into the season. A bit too soon to draw definitrtive conclusions.

Like you said, it's a long season. Plenty of time to rest guys here and there. Typically, teams start going deeper into their bench and give the 12th-14th men some mins after the first month or 2 of the season have been completed..by that time, the team might have more injuries..have played more back to backs which take their toll and some starters might need to rest more here and there from playing so many games. But when you're only 7 games into the season, guys don't need as much rest - they were resting all offseason. And we've also had a few blowout wins where our starters get to rest most (or all) of the 4th quarter.

Lastly, Tatum and Brown are both basically like guards out there with their ability to handle the ball and play out on the perimeter on both ends of the floor. So between them, Jrue, White and Pritchard that's 5 guards so Springer would be the 6th guard - rather than the 4th.

So Springer or whoever is the next guard on the depth chart is more of a luxury than a necessity. Which is probably why there are rumors that Brad was/is shopping Springer around. If he's not gonna play much, it's obviously not a crazy idea to bring someone else in for that roster spot to save on the tax bill.

Perhaps a team like Brooklyn, Washington, Charlotte or Utah could offer Springer more opportunity to showcase his skills and develop him..

I was high on Springer when we acquired him, based mainly on his defensive profile and how mad/scared the Philly fans were that we jobbed them again, lol. But for whatever reason, he hasn’t looked great in NBA games and coach Mazzulla is not playing him.

Jrue being 34 and being so impactful in postseason basketball, I think we need to be protective of his health/longevity to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I wouldn’t even mind it if we put him on the Horford plan and held him out of back2backs. For Jrue’s sake we need another ball handler/guard who can play this regular season. It’s not a final indictment on Jaden Springer… but if Davison, Scheierman, Peterson, Springer are none capable of playing 15 min a night, then we need to add another guard.

That’s my take on it

Maybe..but again, Tatum and Brown are basically guards which gives us 5 of them playing big minutes (tatum, brown, white, jrue, pritchard) so I'm not sure we really need another one. Especially with all the depth we have at other positions (5 good bigs and 2 other good wings in hauser and walsh) so we can play bigger lineups if we're down an extra guard..

Look at last season..the 5 guards we have now getting all the mins were the same 5 guards who got all the mins last season..you mentioned Svi and Banton but they barely ever played, 1 of them got shipped off at the deadline and neither really contributed anything for this team. Yet we still won the title - easily..so someone in that spot is a luxury, rather than a necessity imo..

True on the contributions of Benton and Svi, but Banton did have some games (at least by my ever failing memory) during the regular season where he ate up some minutes. We don’t need a playoff guard and unlikely to find one anyways, but a minutes eater wouldn’t be bad. That’s kinda what Kornet, Quota, and Tillman are for the bigs. Very true on versatility of the Jays as guards basically and good point. Their versatility could allow them to slide to wings and even 4-spot if we’re going to pretend there really is a 4 spot anymore. If the Jays do that and Jrue or whoever is out for rest/injury we could find room for that 6th guard by playing 4 guards at a time (like we kinda do anyways if we’re going to say the Jays are guard-like).

[Dogen]

Markelle Fultz, Dennis Smith Jr, Justin Holiday are a few names out there looking for work if Jaden was moved for future assets.

IDK, man, I'm good with seeing what we have in Jaden et al, make assessment by the trade deadline.

Honestly, DSJ isn't a bad option to backfill that spot, if we trade Springer for draft compensation.

That way:
-Save $ on the tax bill
-Get a comparable player to fill that deep bench guard/tough, gritty defender type of role..but this way, you're getting a guy in that spot who is 26 (turns 27 later this month) so he's at a point in his career where he can play if needed but doesn't *need* to play. Rather than a guy in Springer who's still in development mode so the best place for him is really more of a young rebuilding team like Brooklyn or Washington or Portland where he can actually get mins, develop and sink or swim as an NBA player
-Add draft compensation which can be used to either draft a guy or package up in a later trade

He can't shoot but as long as we have enough shooters on the floor with him, it would be ok for short spurts here and there..and as the 13th man, he'd barely ever be needed to play anyways..

I tried to hide Smith in there because I figured I'd get hammered for bringing him up, but I Like him fine. Like you say, he brings an extra guard defender in the deep bench, with more experience than Jaden. He's certainly not L Walker on offense, but he's pretty long for his size, and scrappy. Dude never lived up to draft potential, but he could be that Kris Dunn type of signing, a lotto pick that took a while to find his role in the league.

So if Brad can get some decent compensation for Springer maybe that's a good move for the Celtics. I'd still rather see Springer get a chance, but as each game goes by, it's harder to justify. If he's not getting any burn at all by say, mid-December, it's hard to say what's in the cards for him.

[djFan71]

Couple nice steals from Jaden tonight against Atl.