Official RJ Barrett Thread

[Zeno]

Great player. And we got him for OG who is on some 250 million dollar deal. Fleeced and self sabotage.
Knicks gonna knick.

OG brings more on defense and when his shot is good, he helps. I am happy RJ is doing great and IQ too but it's a win/win deal for both sides. Barrett doesn't have the lethal shooting the Knicks needed to contend. He has had spurts like this as a Knick too, just the consistency was lacking often.

Smart for you guys to get what you did in this deal. IDK why you wanted more for OG than Siakam, Pacers gave you next to nothing.

Same reason the Pelicans have no takers for Brandon Ingram and if the Wolves try to flip Randle they will likely get very little for him either. If you aren't a number 1 option, teams are willing to pay for 3 point shooting and defense. They don't want to pay max for B level stars without defense, knockdown shooting and/or and a complimentary game.

[Scase]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

[positivetension]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

He probably should have had another five trips to the line, some of the misses were fouls.

[Psubs]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

They packed the paint and like another poster said, there was a lot of contact and should've went to the line a few more times.

[Chandan]

I think it's his irregularly thick neck, people (and I) used to think he's some big PF type player. In reality he has a SF body but somehow can overpower his way to the basket with some shoulder checks.

I think PP is a pretty decent comp of course without the clutchness but RJ does have that toughness in him.

[Penny1993]

My only concern with RJ is his inability to finish with his right hand… there were many occasions where he drives right and could’ve easily lay it in but he chose to switch back to his left and gets blocked or fouled. Not sure if it’s his right shoulder injury but this year it seems to be worse than before. Almost feels like a left handed Jaylen Brown.

[MEDIC]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

He probably should have had another five trips to the line, some of the misses were fouls.

Also, he was asked to be the primary ball handler (he was basically playing PG) in the 4th quarter. He was primary ball handler, primary facilitator & primary scorer. He had to play Scotties role & his own.

All things considered, I think he did pretty well.

[MEDIC]

DD scored a lot of points but also gave up a lot of points by not containing his assignments and also not recovering on defense...whether he was stripped, bad shot, turnovers etc.

There was one season where he learned to play the passing lanes well and got some steals.

Biggest thing I disliked about DD's game while he was with the Raps was he relied so heavily on the whistle to score his points. He didn't make great reads. Didn't find the open man when the double and triple teams came. It really didn't work out well for him (or us) in the playoffs. Plus it just wasn't enteraining basketball. It was hard to watch at times. Especially when he got overly emotional about not getting the foul call & didn't get back on defense because of it..

[Thaddy]

Barnes and even Mogbo have great impact stats because of their defense. Barrett will never be able to do that, which is disappointing and hurts his value. The scoring is great but he was just a +5...

[PoundTown]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

10/26 is a good “bad shooting” night. Go look at some of trae young’s stat lines. He scored more points than shots still, which is the main thing and he kept gunning for it in the clutch. Both Gradey and RJ went for it when the game was tight and that’s what you like to see. Both of their defence was passable as well. Loved when RJ had the turnover with a bit over a minute left and then next trip came down and nailed the 3. His three point shot is for real, which is one of the things this boards RJ haters harped on. I’m not just talking the numbers - the release is faster and the balls hitting only mesh and he’s taking them like he knows he’s going to make them and taking them from above the break, a couple feet behind the line. The man has taken leaps shooting the ball and as a distributor and he’s still been efficient.

[PoundTown]

Barnes and even Mogbo have great impact stats because of their defense. Barrett will never be able to do that, which is disappointing and hurts his value. The scoring is great but he was just a +5...

Lead our starters in +\- and closed out the game for us along with Gradey. He was pretty good last night from a winning standpoint.

[deck]

How was RJs game last night, I missed it. His box score numbers look really good but his efficiency was pretty bad. Defensive focus as the #1 option, or shot selection?

Wasn't his best game to be sure. He missed on several drives that he should have hit. I think two awkward mid-range attempts that should have been straight up and down jump shots, but he opted for push shots. And he was looking siakam level rattled on his free throws at the end of the game. But he did hit some big threes down the stretch.

[deck]

Barnes and even Mogbo have great impact stats because of their defense. Barrett will never be able to do that, which is disappointing and hurts his value. The scoring is great but he was just a +5...

That's absurd. I think RJ played an ok game last night, but he was significantly more impactful than Mogbo on the outcome. What a ridiculous thing to say.

[Thaddy]

Barnes and even Mogbo have great impact stats because of their defense. Barrett will never be able to do that, which is disappointing and hurts his value. The scoring is great but he was just a +5...

That's absurd. I think RJ played an ok game last night, but he was significantly more impactful than Mogbo on the outcome. What a ridiculous thing to say.

It kind of comes down to "stocks". Mogbo gets a lot of steals and blocks which doesn't even tell you everything. He affects shots at the rim and passing lanes. Barrett on the other hand doesn't generate many "stocks" and it's a reason why his +/- isn't great. Stocks generate transition opportunities that clearly impacts plus/minus while Barrett plays the interior scoring (lower PPP) game while giving up buckets on the other end.

[Johnston]

I think ppl forget how young RJ is and how **** of a situation he was in entering the league. When was the last time NYK drafted and developed a top end talent? Give him some time and let him get his reps. If he can continue to work on his tunnel vision and bad shots he is easily an All-star level player.

Porzingis pre injuries and ego.

And one of your best players, Immanuel Quickley.

That's it literally over the past 20 years lol. Zinger never lived up close to his potential. IQ is great but nowhere near top end talent.

[Johnston]

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[nikster]

Barnes and even Mogbo have great impact stats because of their defense. Barrett will never be able to do that, which is disappointing and hurts his value. The scoring is great but he was just a +5...

That's absurd. I think RJ played an ok game last night, but he was significantly more impactful than Mogbo on the outcome. What a ridiculous thing to say.

It kind of comes down to "stocks". Mogbo gets a lot of steals and blocks which doesn't even tell you everything. He affects shots at the rim and passing lanes. Barrett on the other hand doesn't generate many "stocks" and it's a reason why his +/- isn't great. Stocks generate transition opportunities that clearly impacts plus/minus while Barrett plays the interior scoring (lower PPP) game while giving up buckets on the other end.

It comes down to role and lineups. Mogbo played 16 spot minutes mostly against the other teams bench while RJ is playing 40 minutes on the 2nd of a back to back. The reason Mogbo is positige is because he has someone like RJ to carry the offense. To compare the two based on plus minus is nonsensical

[Airmiess]

That's absurd. I think RJ played an ok game last night, but he was significantly more impactful than Mogbo on the outcome. What a ridiculous thing to say.

It kind of comes down to "stocks". Mogbo gets a lot of steals and blocks which doesn't even tell you everything. He affects shots at the rim and passing lanes. Barrett on the other hand doesn't generate many "stocks" and it's a reason why his +/- isn't great. Stocks generate transition opportunities that clearly impacts plus/minus while Barrett plays the interior scoring (lower PPP) game while giving up buckets on the other end.

It comes down to role and lineups. Mogbo played 16 spot minutes mostly against the other teams bench while RJ is playing 40 minutes on the 2nd of a back to back. The reason Mogbo is positige is because he has someone like RJ to carry the offense. To compare the two based on plus minus is nonsensical

People don't understand how to use these stats correctly. Always leaving out the important nuances.

For his particular workload RJ is a +5, Mogbo works on the same shift but has a different job duty. He excels at his job duty but has a different type of workload. RJ is not fully acclimated to his job duty but he is the only one equipped to take it on, hes doing the best he can under the circumstances.

[Thaddy]

It kind of comes down to "stocks". Mogbo gets a lot of steals and blocks which doesn't even tell you everything. He affects shots at the rim and passing lanes. Barrett on the other hand doesn't generate many "stocks" and it's a reason why his +/- isn't great. Stocks generate transition opportunities that clearly impacts plus/minus while Barrett plays the interior scoring (lower PPP) game while giving up buckets on the other end.

It comes down to role and lineups. Mogbo played 16 spot minutes mostly against the other teams bench while RJ is playing 40 minutes on the 2nd of a back to back. The reason Mogbo is positige is because he has someone like RJ to carry the offense. To compare the two based on plus minus is nonsensical

People don't understand how to use these stats correctly. Always leaving out the important nuances.

For his particular workload RJ is a +5, Mogbo works on the same shift but has a different job duty. He excels at his job duty but has a different type of workload. RJ is not fully acclimated to his job duty but he is the only one equipped to take it on, hes doing the best he can under the circumstances.

Barrett is obviously the better player right now. The point is to show that the style of player Barnes is. Barnes is a much more impactful player because of his stocks and how it directly means there was a prevention in the other team scoring and likely a creation in transition.

Barrett on the other hand trades buckets with the other team. He gives up points and then he generally breaks even with interior bucks (non 3pt plays or FTs). He doesn't get FTs, And 1s, or 3pt shots at an elite level. This is why he's similar to DeRozan as an addition by subtraction type of player.

[XTC]

I think it's his irregularly thick neck, people (and I) used to think he's some big PF type player. In reality he has a SF body but somehow can overpower his way to the basket with some shoulder checks.

I think PP is a pretty decent comp of course without the clutchness but RJ does have that toughness in him.

RJ has great posture, and a great physique. His lower body is actually quite strong as well, it's a huge reason why he can fight through contact and finish. Kid is super strong.

I've actually noticed he's getting the Carmelo and Lebron treatment from the refs. He's so much stronger than his match up, the refs swallow their whistle. He should honestly be getting 8-10 free throws a game. These stronger guys who invite contact never get the whistle... Shaq, Melo, and Lebron had similar problems.