Bears 8.0: Matt Eberflus FIRED

[Betta Bulleavit]

A few select posters on here said our O-line wasn’t bad last year. Justin was just so horrible. How do yall feel now lol

Justin is a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. Not sure where you’re headed with this.

I think the point is that while most people understood that Fields wasn’t great, he wasn’t the chief problem. And I’d have to agree. Throwing a new (rookie) QB behind this line wasn’t a winning solution. Especially while doing so with a lame duck coach at the helm. We may not have known if Fields was a solution. But what we did know was that this offensive line was and has been bad for a few years now. Getting a new QB was never going to fix that no matter how much some folks thought that it would.

[Chi town]

No TDs in the first quarter through 8 games is everything you need to know about Waldron.

What a joke.

[panthermark]

never should have traded FOR allen

why did nobody understand that loading a rookie up with receiving options was going to lead to him not having much of a chance to keep everyone happy?

I don't think trading for him was a mistake, but you have to consider the landscape at the time of the trade.

March 12th, Mooney signs with Atlanta
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39715502/falcons-sign-wr-darnell-mooney-3-year-39m-deal

March 14th is when the Bears traded for Allen.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39735083/chargers-trading-wr-keenan-allen-bears-4th-rounder

Odunze wasn't drafted until April 25th, and the Bears didn't know if he would even be there.

So at the time of trading for Allen, the only WR's under contract on the roster were DJ Moore, VJJ and Tyler Scott. Clayfool was such a bust he was traded for pocket lint halfway through the prior season, and VJJ was so bad at WR that he was moved to RB at camp, then cut mid-season. Tyler Scott has yet to make a catch this season.

If Odunze would not have been there at #7, it would not look like a bad trade now.

which is why it was such an obvious move to sign a #2/3 WR in free agency. said so at the time. re-signing mooney would have been just fine! save the pick, spend the leftover money elsewhere

While that would have saved the pick, we would still have the same problem, especially if Odunze would have still been there. I like Mooney, but it would have been hard to justify his deal current deal on this team. Mooney isn't a precision WR, he plays more like an old school Split End. He is a long strider who is at his best deep down the field, and CW seems to be at his worst throwing deep down the field.

It isn't too late to recoup some of that pick, which would not be so bad. More targets for Moore, Kmet, Odunze...and we will see if Scott is an NFL WR or not. Plus Carter played pretty well when Allen was out.

[Susan]

I don't think trading for him was a mistake, but you have to consider the landscape at the time of the trade.

March 12th, Mooney signs with Atlanta
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39715502/falcons-sign-wr-darnell-mooney-3-year-39m-deal

March 14th is when the Bears traded for Allen.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39735083/chargers-trading-wr-keenan-allen-bears-4th-rounder

Odunze wasn't drafted until April 25th, and the Bears didn't know if he would even be there.

So at the time of trading for Allen, the only WR's under contract on the roster were DJ Moore, VJJ and Tyler Scott. Clayfool was such a bust he was traded for pocket lint halfway through the prior season, and VJJ was so bad at WR that he was moved to RB at camp, then cut mid-season. Tyler Scott has yet to make a catch this season.

If Odunze would not have been there at #7, it would not look like a bad trade now.

which is why it was such an obvious move to sign a #2/3 WR in free agency. said so at the time. re-signing mooney would have been just fine! save the pick, spend the leftover money elsewhere

While that would have saved the pick, we would still have the same problem, especially if Odunze would have still been there. I like Mooney, but it would have been hard to justify his deal current deal on this team. Mooney isn't a precision WR, he plays more like an old school Split End. He is a long strider who is at his best deep down the field, and CW seems to be at his worst throwing deep down the field.

It isn't too late to recoup some of that pick, which would not be so bad. More targets for Moore, Kmet, Odunze...and we will see if Scott is an NFL WR or not. Plus Carter played pretty well when Allen was out.

Mooney literally went MIA to end the season last year and nobody reported on it. He dropped the Hail Mary, didn't do anything against Arizona (who we beat last year) and then just didn't play in the last two weeks. He clearly wanted out of here and no amount of money was going to keep him here.

[panthermark]

The Bears just got destroyed by a team that played Bears football.

Poles biggest indictment is Flus. He made a mistake bringing him back. He must replace him with an elite offensive coach. Waldron has been so inept that I no longer have confidence in Poles.

LOL, you are correct.
Kyler Murray was 13 of 20 for 154 yards and no TD's (or picks). 2 carries for 6 yards and a fumble. Cards ran all over the Bears and their D really stepped up. Bears got blown out.

Poles is the new GarPax that is living off the success of fleecing the Kni...eeerrrr Panthers and lucking into the #1 pick.

[TheGOATRises007]

No TDs in the first quarter through 8 games is everything you need to know about Waldron.

What a joke.

He's been abject in every way. If he's still the OC next season, God help us.

[panthermark]

I'm 99.9% confident this team as is could just as easily have a 4-4 record with Justin Fields at QB, while having the same feeling of "this team isn't winning it all like this".

That really isn't a knock on CW or saying Fields was that guy.

It is more like.....same old same man....

This team has to ascend, or we would have been better off with a haul for the #1 pick again, regardless Fields being or not being the long term solution here.

This team is strangely close to where they were when JF1 was a rookie. No way we hire a new HC without that person bringing in his own OC and DC. And for all we know, that DC might want a completely different scheme that does not match the current talent.

What a mess.

You know who brings in a new coach one year AFTER using a high 1st round draft pick on a "franchise" QB? The kind of team that breaks out the onside punt.

[dice]

A few select posters on here said our O-line wasn’t bad last year. Justin was just so horrible. How do yall feel now lol

caleb hasn't been great either roflcopter

dunno what to tell ya. the line was pretty darn good for much of today's game. and there have been other similar games. there have been injury issues and shuffling/inconsistent performance on the interior. i thought poles would go for a more proven long-term solution at center but he didn't. ok, fine. nate has been an inexplicable bust at RG. fine. is shelton worth sticking with for next year? dunno. will poles take another significant FA swing at C or RG? dunno. will jenkins get re-upped? dunno. will poles make the worst possible move, misdiagnose and spend big on a LT (or use the first rounder on it)? wouldn't put it past him!

bottom line is that the line has NOT been the major issue w/ the offense

avg. time before throw or pressure this year has been 2.4 seconds for both caleb and daniels. but caleb led the league coming into today with 54 poor throws, whereas daniels was better than avg. w/ 29 poor throws

justin led the league in time before throw or pressure last year at 2.8 secs. the line was not the issue

The Bears were pressured nearly 50% of the drop backs today.

No QB will be ok in that situation.

you still haven't learned the lesson from the fields years that pressures can be created by the QB not getting rid of the ball BEFORE the pressure. if the line blocks perfectly for 5 seconds but the QB hasn't made the throw, it still counts as a pressure when the wall finally cracks!

[dice]

A few select posters on here said our O-line wasn’t bad last year. Justin was just so horrible. How do yall feel now lol

Justin is a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. Not sure where you’re headed with this.

Getsy is about to be fired.
Eberflus is about to be fired.

Justin got benched for a HOF QB and was 4-2 as a starter, he's going to get a job next year.

4-2 = 0 meaning

justin's best year he led his team to 3-14. were you saying that justin was **** in 2022? no, you were not. you were using more convenient justifications to suggest he was good

whether or not justin gets a starting job from a desperate team next season has zero bearing on the conversation about the bears offensive line

[panthermark]

caleb hasn't been great either roflcopter

dunno what to tell ya. the line was pretty darn good for much of today's game. and there have been other similar games. there have been injury issues and shuffling/inconsistent performance on the interior. i thought poles would go for a more proven long-term solution at center but he didn't. ok, fine. nate has been an inexplicable bust at RG. fine. is shelton worth sticking with for next year? dunno. will poles take another significant FA swing at C or RG? dunno. will jenkins get re-upped? dunno. will poles make the worst possible move, misdiagnose and spend big on a LT (or use the first rounder on it)? wouldn't put it past him!

bottom line is that the line has NOT been the major issue w/ the offense

avg. time before throw or pressure this year has been 2.4 seconds for both caleb and daniels. but caleb led the league coming into today with 54 poor throws, whereas daniels was better than avg. w/ 29 poor throws

justin led the league in time before throw or pressure last year at 2.8 secs. the line was not the issue

The Bears were pressured nearly 50% of the drop backs today.

No QB will be ok in that situation.

you still haven't learned the lesson from the fields years that pressures can be created by the QB not getting rid of the ball BEFORE the pressure. if the line blocks perfectly for 5 seconds but the QB hasn't made the throw, it still counts as a pressure when the wall finally cracks!

That was very strange.
There were some plays (especially early) where he had ALL DAY to throw, and managed to turn an amazing pocket into an ugly incompletion.
Then there were other plays where the D was on his rump right away and the OL looked like trash.

Reminds me of last year.

Also, the plays where he scrambles around will inflate the OL "time to throw" stats. I tried to argue the same thing last year with Fields.

[Susan]

Justin is a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. Not sure where you’re headed with this.

Getsy is about to be fired.
Eberflus is about to be fired.

Justin got benched for a HOF QB and was 4-2 as a starter, he's going to get a job next year.

4-2 = 0 meaning

justin's best year he led his team to 3-14. were you saying that justin was **** in 2022? no, you were not. you were using more convenient justifications to suggest he was good

whether or not justin gets a starting job from a desperate team next season has zero bearing on the conversation about the bears offensive line

4-2 with wins against @Denver (5-4), @Atlanta (6-3) and against LAC (5-3) with 1 INT and 1 lost fumble in 6 games

That's good, clean football. It's just **** for him that Russell is playing like prime Russ with a strong defense, strong running game and throwing up great deep balls to Pickens.

His coaching staff here are all proving to be frauds. He's got some strong wins and decent tape out there from this year. He fits Indy like a glove and will thrive there.

[Bandit King]

Russell is a better passer then Justin fields simple

That is why he is starting

[dice]

Getsy is about to be fired.
Eberflus is about to be fired.

Justin got benched for a HOF QB and was 4-2 as a starter, he's going to get a job next year.

4-2 = 0 meaning

justin's best year he led his team to 3-14. were you saying that justin was **** in 2022? no, you were not. you were using more convenient justifications to suggest he was good

whether or not justin gets a starting job from a desperate team next season has zero bearing on the conversation about the bears offensive line

4-2 with wins against @Denver (5-4), @Atlanta (6-3) and against LAC (5-3) with 1 INT and 1 lost fumble in 6 games

That's good, clean football.

it is. and any team expecting the same and looking for a game manager would be content w/ fields

It's just **** for him that Russell is playing like prime Russ with a strong defense, strong running game and throwing up great deep balls to Pickens.

tomlin couldn't have thought that wilson was going to revert to being a stud. but he still went with him over a solid game manager

His coaching staff here are all proving to be frauds.

think it's way too soon to call getsy a vegas failure

He's got some strong wins and decent tape out there from this year. He fits Indy like a glove and will thrive there.

if they're looking for a high floor QB. that's not what they were looking for when they drafted richardson. not sure why the strategy would change unless they're gun-shy from richardson experience. maybe fields competes w/ richardson or outright starts ahead of him, which would be a little weird considering that richardson has performed much like justin did as a rookie

[Susan]

4-2 = 0 meaning

justin's best year he led his team to 3-14. were you saying that justin was **** in 2022? no, you were not. you were using more convenient justifications to suggest he was good

whether or not justin gets a starting job from a desperate team next season has zero bearing on the conversation about the bears offensive line

4-2 with wins against @Denver (5-4), @Atlanta (6-3) and against LAC (5-3) with 1 INT and 1 lost fumble in 6 games

That's good, clean football.

it is. and any team expecting the same and looking for a game manager would be content w/ fields

It's just **** for him that Russell is playing like prime Russ with a strong defense, strong running game and throwing up great deep balls to Pickens.

tomlin couldn't have thought that wilson was going to revert to being a stud. but he still went with him over a solid game manager

His coaching staff here are all proving to be frauds.

think it's way too soon to call getsy a vegas failure

He's got some strong wins and decent tape out there from this year. He fits Indy like a glove and will thrive there.

if they're looking for a high floor QB. that's not what they were looking for when they drafted richardson. not sure why the strategy would change unless they're gun-shy from richardson experience. maybe fields competes w/ richardson or outright starts ahead of him, which would be a little weird considering that richardson has performed much like justin did as a rookie

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[HoopsterJones]

Yeah Luke Getsy ain’t it man. Probably done as an OC for awhile.

[biggestbullsfan]

A few select posters on here said our O-line wasn’t bad last year. Justin was just so horrible. How do yall feel now lol

Justin is a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. Not sure where you’re headed with this.

I think the point is that while most people understood that Fields wasn’t great, he wasn’t the chief problem. And I’d have to agree. Throwing a new (rookie) QB behind this line wasn’t a winning solution. Especially while doing so with a lame duck coach at the helm. We may not have known if Fields was a solution. But what we did know was that this offensive line was and has been bad for a few years now. Getting a new QB was never going to fix that no matter how much some folks thought that it would.

I feel like this isn’t hard to explain. Statistically speaking, the o-line is not great. Poles has tried to strike gold in the trash bin for too many positions in the trenches. It’s our only focus this offseason.

[Jcool0]

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[patryk7754]

Williams is a rookie and playing a lot like a rookie, specifically with his timing. We lost a few games because of that. Having Justin (or any decent vet qb) would have almost certainly led to us winning a couple more of the single score games we’ve lost. Mostly because someone like Justin started to learn to adjust to bad coaching and OL play. Which is why I ultimately believed we should have at least kept fields and had Williams on the bench for his rookie season (or a good portion of it). But we don’t have a vet qb to make up for the lack of experience needed to win games, so we just have to go through the growing pains. Also doesn’t help that we have a **** OL and play calling.

Once Williams is able to adjust to the timing of the NFL his efficiency will sky rocket, regardless of who the coach is.

[patryk7754]

A few select posters on here said our O-line wasn’t bad last year. Justin was just so horrible. How do yall feel now lol

Justin is a backup quarterback in Pittsburgh. Not sure where you’re headed with this.

Getsy is about to be fired.
Eberflus is about to be fired.

Justin got benched for a HOF QB and was 4-2 as a starter, he's going to get a job next year.

I personally don’t think he got “benched”. It implies that he started as QB1 and I don’t think that’s the case. From everything I’ve heard or watched about the Steelers, Tomlin made it sound like Fields was always the back up and he was just playing for an injured QB1. Fields played way too well against great competition for it to be considered a benching, imo. The only think that could have kept him as a starter was if he played at a MVP level, probably

[panthermark]

Getsy getting fired after only 9 games is comical.

I knew that dude was a bum who got all of his success by riding the coattails of Rodgers and the Packers org. His offensive scheme only works if you have a veteran HOF pocket style QB throwing to a near HOF level WR. At that point, that isn't the scheme that is the QB. He had that same WR in Vegas...didn't go well. Maybe he can get a job with the Jets now since Rodgers and Adams are back together?

If/when Flus gets fired, Justin Fields should sue the Bears for blowing his career development. He basically played for two lame duck coaches in 3 years. How is that even possible?