2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[RexBoyWonder]

I like Duncan, he's a good dude and a nice player to have.

But having guys like Burks and Larsson making the minimum emphasizes how ill-advised it is to give his type of player a long term 20Mil per year deal.

I'm really not sure he's overall better then either of them.

One of them just got selected #44 and the other was available for the vet min.

[DayofMourning]

I like Duncan, he's a good dude and a nice player to have.

But having guys like Burks and Larsson making the minimum emphasizes how ill-advised it is to give his type of player a long term 20Mil per year deal.

I'm really not sure he's overall better then either of them.

One of them just got selected #44 and the other was available for the vet min.

You def need guys who can play both sides of the ball.....and with consistency.

Having one dimensional dudes show up once every 5 games aint gon cut it.

[AirP.]

I like Duncan, he's a good dude and a nice player to have.

But having guys like Burks and Larsson making the minimum emphasizes how ill-advised it is to give his type of player a long term 20Mil per year deal.

I'm really not sure he's overall better then either of them.

One of them just got selected #44 and the other was available for the vet min.

Although you could say players like Burks (lower priced shooters) aren't as good as Duncan (plus Robinson had "some" history with Miami but he only had 1 great year and declined the next), the contract difference on spending less can let you compensate for that on a different part of your roster. Malik Monk was out there that summer and went to the lakers for around 5 mil, he'd been a top player for Miami at a discount.

Something else I've noticed about Miami's FO, they don't try to lock up talent on lower contracts before their "proven", Strus' and Vincent's contract coming off of 2-way status should have been at least 1 year longer even if they would have had to pay a little more per year.

It's really odd to me who Miami overspends on and underspends (contract length). Even if a player like Strus or Vincent doesn't work out like the organization hopes, they can move those players if they really want to.

[AirP.]

BTW... it's not just Miami having those turd quarters.

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[twix2500]

Burks is not replacing Duncan. He is replacing Martin and Highsmith.

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[AirP.]

Burks is not replacing Duncan. He is replacing Martin and Highsmith.

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Of course not, Miami's handing Robinson 19 million to be a backup.

[twix2500]

Burks is not replacing Duncan. He is replacing Martin and Highsmith.

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Of course not, Miami's handing Robinson 19 million to be a backup.

The role that Burks is playing is Highsmith role.

[Wiltside]

I'm gonna need Spo to sub out Bryant for Ware pretty soon.

I honestly think Larsson might be better than Duncan too. Burks sure as hell is.

Rozier / Burks
Herro / Larsson
Butler / Jaquez
Jovic / Highsmith (if needed, otherwise shift Jaquez or Butler)
Adebayo / Ware

This is the way.

[AirP.]

Burks is not replacing Duncan. He is replacing Martin and Highsmith.

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Of course not, Miami's handing Robinson 19 million to be a backup.

The role that Burks is playing is Highsmith role.

I never said Burks was playing Robinson's role, I said building a roster you could go with a much cheaper option, a guy like Burks rather than paying 90 mil over 5 years for someone a little better (for the role they're playing). On this roster Burk's is a utility player allowing Spoelstra to go either offensive with Burks or defensive with Highsmith, so what? Doesn't change my opinion on saving 17 million having a person like Burks (doesn't mean it has to be) playing Robinson's role using that 17 extra mil somewhere else.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Wiltside]

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Can't even picture what a Giannis deal looks like that Bam and Jimmy aren't included in. Hard to see Milwaukee going for something that doesn't include Edrice, but it'd have to be something like:

Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Jaime Jaquez, Kel'el Ware, Nikola Jovic, 2029 and 2031 FRP's and/or swaps for Giannis and Connaughton?

Rozier / Richardson / Smith
Connaughton / Burks / Christopher
Butler / Larsson / Johnson
Antetokounmpo / Highsmith
Adebayo / Love or Bryant

We'd be pretty light on with respect to shooting. While Bam's 3ball is coming, he ain't lights out, and neither are Giannis and Jimmy. Depth gets absolutely obliterated but perhaps we can go dumpster diving for vets and shooters to space the floor.

Milwaukee probably pivots and flips Dame for more assets and starts a rebuild around the young guys. We don't have the contracts to take on both Dame and Giannis I don't think.

Herro, Jaquez, Jovic and Ware are all nice pieces. Herro being a home town kid would be a nice story for them, then a bunch of FRP's to assist with the rebuild...

[SA37]

I like Duncan, he's a good dude and a nice player to have.

But having guys like Burks and Larsson making the minimum emphasizes how ill-advised it is to give his type of player a long term 20Mil per year deal.

I'm really not sure he's overall better then either of them.

One of them just got selected #44 and the other was available for the vet min.

It's stunning to think back to how many people on this board said Robinson was worth $20M/year. I argued vehemently against paying him more than $12-$14M/year, which still would have made him one of the top paid shooters in the league and STILL was an overpay, imo.

Guys making around what Robinson makes this year: Marcus Smart, Derrick White, Nikola Vucevic, Jarrett Allen, Myles Turner, Norman Powell, Keldon Johnson, D'Angelo Russell, Colin Sexton, Josh Hart, Harrison Barnes, Malik Monk. Klay Thompson is getting just under $16M/year.

[SA37]

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Can't even picture what a Giannis deal looks like that Bam and Jimmy aren't included in. Hard to see Milwaukee going for something that doesn't include Edrice, but it'd have to be something like:

Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Jaime Jaquez, Kel'el Ware, Nikola Jovic, 2029 and 2031 FRP's and/or swaps for Giannis and Connaughton?

Rozier / Richardson / Smith
Connaughton / Burks / Christopher
Butler / Larsson / Johnson
Antetokounmpo / Highsmith
Adebayo / Love or Bryant

We'd be pretty light on with respect to shooting. While Bam's 3ball is coming, he ain't lights out, and neither are Giannis and Jimmy. Depth gets absolutely obliterated but perhaps we can go dumpster diving for vets and shooters to space the floor.

Milwaukee probably pivots and flips Dame for more assets and starts a rebuild around the young guys. We don't have the contracts to take on both Dame and Giannis I don't think.

Herro, Jaquez, Jovic and Ware are all nice pieces. Herro being a home town kid would be a nice story for them, then a bunch of FRP's to assist with the rebuild...

My guess is that for Miami to be competitive in any Giannis deal, you have to trade Butler. If Giannis tells Milwaukee he only wants to go to Miami -- and Milwaukee feels inclined to respect this -- then Miami might be off the hook there, but would likely need a 3rd or 4th team to get Milwaukee more value.

In a deal with Butler leaving, Houston is the obvious 3rd team:

Miami gets: Giannis and D Brooks

Houston gets: Butler

Milwaukee gets: D Robinson, Steven Adams, Cam Whitmore, Amen Thompson, a 1st from Houston, 2 1st from Miami

If Butler isn't included, Miami would have to find a 3rd or 4th team interested in its players....yikes.

[iamoti]

I can only see getting Giannis with a 3 team deal that involves Butler (i doubt the Bucks want Butler). At least thats the only way it makes sense for Miami. Jimmy/Giannis/Bam wont work at all on offense. Even if Bam improves his 3pt shooting.

That being said a Giannis/Bam frontcourt is crazy on both ends.

[mh_3]

The Giannis to Miami stuff has 0 chance of happening. OKC will throw an absurd amount of picks at Milwaukee. Not sure why Heat fans are even entertaining this.

It’s more likely we get Dame at a discounted price tag to finally have a Dame/Jimmy/Bam run this season.


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[wadenation305]

Bucks over the second apron. They can't aggregate players in a trade and can only receive the exact amount they are sending out

[AirP.]

The Giannis to Miami stuff has 0 chance of happening. OKC will throw an absurd amount of picks at Milwaukee. Not sure why Heat fans are even entertaining this.

It’s more likely we get Dame at a discounted price tag to finally have a Dame/Jimmy/Bam run this season.


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Right now, OKC would wreck their roster to meet the salary requirements. After Dec 15th they may think about it but I doubt they do it unless they get him somewhat cheap in assets.

As of now, OKC is set up to keep rolling over/trade current draft picks that they don't need for future (and possibly more) assets in the future while only keeping them when they expect a player they want/need on a cheap rookie contract is available. It's the first time I can remember a team in this type of situation.

[RexBoyWonder]

Giannis/Bam/Butler are an awful fit anyway. It's not happening. We don't have the assets for it.

The clear move is to move Duncan for a more needed position. Maybe for Cameron Johnson.

I don't want Dame here. It's going to be Lowry 2.0 - over the hill overpay.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Giannis/Bam/Butler are an awful fit anyway. It's not happening. We don't have the assets for it.

The clear move is to move Duncan for a more needed position. Maybe for Cameron Johnson.

I don't want Dame here. It's going to be Lowry 2.0 - over the hill overpay.

26-5-7 on great efficiency as a 2nd option seems pretty damn good to me lol Lowry was never on Dames level, ever.

Everyone who didn’t want Dame a couple summers ago when he wanted Miami because of his age and contract were wrong

[ZoStrong]

Giannis/Bam/Butler are an awful fit anyway. It's not happening. We don't have the assets for it.

The clear move is to move Duncan for a more needed position. Maybe for Cameron Johnson.

I don't want Dame here. It's going to be Lowry 2.0 - over the hill overpay.

26-5-7 on great efficiency as a 2nd option seems pretty damn good to me lol Lowry was never on Dames level, ever.

Everyone who didn’t want Dame a couple summers ago when he wanted Miami because of his age and contract were wrong

"26-5-7 on great efficiency as a 2nd option" is helping an MVP caliber player to 1-5 record. Nice, lol