PG: Knicks vs. Rockets where I want to strangle the refs

[MrDollarBills]

For 5 man lineups that have played at least 48 mins together by now, our starters have the 7th highest net rating. Our offensive rating is 4th highest, behind DEN, BOS, SAC. Our defensive rating is the 8th worst.

6 games
109 mins
121.3 ORTG
115.4 DRTG
5.9 NRTG

Until we get farther out the BOS game is going to really impact those DEF numbers.

I was thinking this. That Boston game is going to gunk up the defensive metrics a lot.

Either way it's a good reminder that this is an ongoing process of improvement. There will be hiccups.

[kNicksGmen]

Fire thibs, hire Hart

hart is being guarding by centers that are trash. he literally was guarded by sengun and steven adams this entire game. that is insulting and we were barely able to exploit it until the end using him as a screen and roller.

hart is a problem for this offense. anyone acting like it's not a concern has their blinders on.

listening to the KFS pod and hearing macri ask "who is the worst offensive player in the starting lineup" and actually having to think about it and act as if hart isn't a complete liability is absurd. he questions if deuce is better offensively. OG is actually being defended by real players and still putting up numbers. hart brings the hustle/rebounding etc and transition offense - but in the half court (what the playoffs largely becomes) he is an absolute liability. this team's best lineups in the playoffs are going to include him sitting on the bench.

hart needs to be a bench energy guy that plays 15-25 minutes a night depending on matchups. him starting and playing 30+ minutes is a big problem.

i understand now there are injuries so there aren't great alternatives. but i already know even when precious/mitch/shamet come back thibs is still going to start and play this guy 30+ minutes. he was playing him over divo last year until injuries forced him to play divo more. he overly emphasizes the "rebounding/hustle" component. that doesn't matter if he ruins your offense.

Hart wasn't the reason we lost this game... Jalen's selfish play and missing bunnies, the overall team's lack of boxing out, poor interior defense by KAT and OG on Sengun, poor coaching adjustments to their switch defense, Sims and McBride giving you zero... Hart actually had some huge plays for us several times that got us within 1 (steals, finishes, unselfish passes to teammates, etc.).

i'm not blaming hart directly for the loss - but pointing out that he ruins the offense. it's part of the reason brunson goes 1 on 1 because the other 3 guys stay on their man and whoever is guarding hart completely ignores him. it's part of why he does "make some huge plays" - because the defense is acting like he doesn't exist so he's able to sneak in on cuts etc and grab boards.

the point is i already see a theme and thibs doesn't seem capable of exploiting how teams are defending us. they're essentially using a big wing/forward on Kat and putting the worst defender (often their center) on hart.

sure he gets the occasional backcut etc but overall it has completely stifled our offense. there has to be an answer to it outside of trying to just get mismatches or using hart as a screener - or worse just brunson going 1 on 1 with hart's guy acting as a help defender.

[evevale]

it's probably been posted already but it's a point worth repeating -



i understand our bench sucks and some guys are hurt but there are 29 other teams, many of which also have short benches who have been mired w/ injury - why is it that only the knicks run a 7.5 man rotation (again)

i'm honestly just burned out on this kind of shortsighted desperation w/ thibs - he will forever be the man he was 20+ years ago and to think anything otherwise is nothing short of delusion

[mpharris36]

For 5 man lineups that have played at least 48 mins together by now, our starters have the 7th highest net rating. Our offensive rating is 4th highest, behind DEN, BOS, SAC. Our defensive rating is the 8th worst.

6 games
109 mins
121.3 ORTG
115.4 DRTG
5.9 NRTG

Until we get farther out the BOS game is going to really impact those DEF numbers.

I was thinking this. That Boston game is going to gunk up the defensive metrics a lot.

Either way it's a good reminder that this is an ongoing process of improvement. There will be hiccups.

I know its tough to take 1 game out of a 7 game sample size but since BOS is just so good and couldn't miss anything from deep.

If you exclude the BOS game.

OFF rating - 118.8 (tied for 3rd in league)
DEF rating - 108.1 (ranked 4th in the league)
Net rating - 10.8 (ranked 4th in the league)

We have also played the 4th hardest SOS early in the season.

I don't think its time for doom and gloom we are figuring this stuff out. And the metrics would suggest we are likely going to be a top 5 team in the league when we figure it all out.

[KnixinSix]

Watch on YouTube

[dakomish23]

Until we get farther out the BOS game is going to really impact those DEF numbers.

I was thinking this. That Boston game is going to gunk up the defensive metrics a lot.

Either way it's a good reminder that this is an ongoing process of improvement. There will be hiccups.

I know its tough to take 1 game out of a 7 game sample size but since BOS is just so good and couldn't miss anything from deep.

If you exclude the BOS game.

OFF rating - 118.8 (tied for 3rd in league)
DEF rating - 108.1 (ranked 4th in the league)
Net rating - 10.8 (ranked 4th in the league)

We have also played the 4th hardest SOS early in the season.

I don't think its time for doom and gloom we are figuring this stuff out. And the metrics would suggest we are likely going to be a top 5 team in the league when we figure it all out.

Isn't that for teams? What's the 5 man lineup numbers

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks have burned up years of assets to go "all in" during the Brunson/OG/Mikal/KAT era.

Time to expend some future picks for that missing piece, like another big and another wing who can actually shoot.

Hart, Sims, Precious, Mitch, Kolek, Dadiet, Huktootie, picks in the 2030s, all should be on the block for what is needed.

People like Wingo and Shams won't be alive then.
Do it for them.
Do it for the oldsters.

[dakomish23]

For 5 man lineups that have played at least 48 mins together by now, our starters have the 7th highest net rating. Our offensive rating is 4th highest, behind DEN, BOS, SAC. Our defensive rating is the 8th worst.

6 games
109 mins
121.3 ORTG
115.4 DRTG
5.9 NRTG

hOW does it compare to last year at this time? Is the diff merely lack of a Rim protector?

I don't know how to limit to a time period but to start the year, this was our starting lineup

J. Randle - J. Brunson - M. Robinson - R. Barrett - Q. Grimes
14 games
228 mins
111.2 ORTG
104.8 DRTG
6.4 NRTG

[thebuzzardman]

For 5 man lineups that have played at least 48 mins together by now, our starters have the 7th highest net rating. Our offensive rating is 4th highest, behind DEN, BOS, SAC. Our defensive rating is the 8th worst.

6 games
109 mins
121.3 ORTG
115.4 DRTG
5.9 NRTG

hOW does it compare to last year at this time? Is the diff merely lack of a Rim protector?

I don't know how to limit to a time period but to start the year, this was our starting lineup

J. Randle - J. Brunson - M. Robinson - R. Barrett - Q. Grimes
14 games
228 mins
111.2 ORTG
104.8 DRTG
6.4 NRTG

Knicks got worse. Hate to see it.

[dakomish23]

hOW does it compare to last year at this time? Is the diff merely lack of a Rim protector?

I don't know how to limit to a time period but to start the year, this was our starting lineup

J. Randle - J. Brunson - M. Robinson - R. Barrett - Q. Grimes
14 games
228 mins
111.2 ORTG
104.8 DRTG
6.4 NRTG

Knicks got worse. Hate to see it.

Let me give you some real ammo

J. Randle - O. Anunoby - I. Hartenstein - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo
10 games
180 mins
126.6 ORTG
110.0 DRTG
16.6 NRTG

[JBreezeNY]

it's probably been posted already but it's a point worth repeating -



i understand our bench sucks and some guys are hurt but there are 29 other teams, many of which also have short benches who have been mired w/ injury - why is it that only the knicks run a 7.5 man rotation (again)

i'm honestly just burned out on this kind of shortsighted desperation w/ thibs - he will forever be the man he was 20+ years ago and to think anything otherwise is nothing short of delusion

Yea it’s tough.

We’re limited with him at coach.

He needs someone to offensive coordinate for him in addition to expanding the rotation. He gets you championship ready but he’ll tire you out before you even get in the ring.

I kind of see where things are heading and it’s concerning. The main issue that’s becoming abundantly clear, is we’re succeeding off pure talent and not actual scheme.

That works in the regular season against bottom feeders but good-great teams will feast on us because we’re overworking for quick shots & not utilizing players for good defensive sets. We can’t keep going from looking like team USA one game then barely an nba team the next. All of that is on coaching.

It’s a huge problem & I believe most are waiting till Mitch/Precious to come back to see if it gets rectified or just wanna be patient for at least a month but the things I’m seeing goes deeper than any player. It reminds me of Steve Kerr struggling with coaching adjustments for Team USA over the summer. Front office gotta do something quick.

[thebuzzardman]

I don't know how to limit to a time period but to start the year, this was our starting lineup

J. Randle - J. Brunson - M. Robinson - R. Barrett - Q. Grimes
14 games
228 mins
111.2 ORTG
104.8 DRTG
6.4 NRTG

Knicks got worse. Hate to see it.

Let me give you some real ammo

J. Randle - O. Anunoby - I. Hartenstein - J. Brunson - D. DiVincenzo
10 games
180 mins
126.6 ORTG
110.0 DRTG
16.6 NRTG

iShart was out of the Knicks hands, so hard to be upset by that.

Still, Knicks should have done better with his initial contract knowing that Mitch is Mr Glass.

[thebuzzardman]

it's probably been posted already but it's a point worth repeating -



i understand our bench sucks and some guys are hurt but there are 29 other teams, many of which also have short benches who have been mired w/ injury - why is it that only the knicks run a 7.5 man rotation (again)

i'm honestly just burned out on this kind of shortsighted desperation w/ thibs - he will forever be the man he was 20+ years ago and to think anything otherwise is nothing short of delusion

Yea it’s tough.

We’re limited with him at coach.

He needs someone to offensive coordinate for him in addition to expanding the rotation. He gets you championship ready but he’ll tire you out before you even get in the ring.

I kind of see where things are heading and it’s concerning. The main issue that’s becoming abundantly clear, is we’re succeeding off pure talent and not actual scheme.

That works in the regular season against bottom feeders but good-great teams will feast on us because we’re overworking for quick shots & not utilizing players for good defensive sets. We can’t keep going from looking like team USA one game then barely an nba team the next. All of that is on coaching.

It’s a huge problem & I believe most are waiting till Mitch/Precious to come back to see if it gets rectified or just wanna be patient for at least a month but the things I’m seeing goes deeper than any player. It reminds me of Steve Kerr struggling with coaching adjustments for Team USA over the summer. Front office gotta do something quick.

It's going to be really tough when OG and KAT miss their traditional 30 games.

On the other hand, it will be entertaining seeing Sims attempting to play 35 mpg.

What is the record for most consecutive games fouling out?
I think Sims can take it and put the record out of reach for future generations.

[robillionaire]

I could see Matt Ryan actually playing some minutes. Idk why

[mpharris36]

I was thinking this. That Boston game is going to gunk up the defensive metrics a lot.

Either way it's a good reminder that this is an ongoing process of improvement. There will be hiccups.

I know its tough to take 1 game out of a 7 game sample size but since BOS is just so good and couldn't miss anything from deep.

If you exclude the BOS game.

OFF rating - 118.8 (tied for 3rd in league)
DEF rating - 108.1 (ranked 4th in the league)
Net rating - 10.8 (ranked 4th in the league)

We have also played the 4th hardest SOS early in the season.

I don't think its time for doom and gloom we are figuring this stuff out. And the metrics would suggest we are likely going to be a top 5 team in the league when we figure it all out.

Isn't that for teams? What's the 5 man lineup numbers

The team is more important because it factors in our bench (which isn't full strength).

But for the 5 man lineup of Brunson/Bridges/Hart/OG/KAT excluding the BOS game we are

OFF rating - 119.9
DEF rating - 106.5
NET rating - 13.4

[2010]

A game like this against a big physical team with length and hustle underscores why we still need Mitch. He would’ve helped last night.

[prophet_of_rage]

Our biggest problem is Brunson isn’t a #1 guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Becky, is that you?

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Didn't take long for 1/2 the fans to turn on OG and Brunson.
KAT, of course, came with a baked in 75% of all fans against him.
Love this place.

I am waiting for the day they realise basketball isn't a quick fix sport.

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[thebuzzardman]

A game like this against a big physical team with length and hustle underscores why we still need Mitch. He would’ve helped last night.

Too bad his injuries and his lack of commitment will keep him from ever suiting up for the Knicks ever again.

[prophet_of_rage]

It's a shame the Knicks traded Randle since the same fans that trashed him have decided to turn on Brunson because "too many shots, he's selfish"

Do these people even watch the rest of the NBA? Are they aware that top options put up 20 shots a game regularly, to include the "point guard"

It isn't the 90's anymore. There aren't any Stockton/Mark Jackson point guards anymore.
Well, maybe Haliburton. He passes a lot. There. There's one. Chris Paul at the end of his career. There's the other.

I am convinced the message board fans are not basketball fans. They do not pay attention to the rest of the league.

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[prophet_of_rage]

It's a shame the Knicks traded Randle since the same fans that trashed him have decided to turn on Brunson because "too many shots, he's selfish"

Do these people even watch the rest of the NBA? Are they aware that top options put up 20 shots a game regularly, to include the "point guard"

It isn't the 90's anymore. There aren't any Stockton/Mark Jackson point guards anymore.
Well, maybe Haliburton. He passes a lot. There. There's one. Chris Paul at the end of his career. There's the other.

Right. The problem isn't the shots, it's that he's missing shots he usually makes and is not adjusting when he's off.

Some more Kolek minutes would have had him better situated for a late game strike as well.

The problem there is nobody else to take the ball from him.

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