Kuminga and moody extensions

[Scoots1994]

I know people love to dream about Giannis at GSW, but its been 5 games and they dont have their 2nd best player - and yes, he is their 2nd best player, because he's not a total sieve defensively

They are under no pressure at all to move him because he's not one of those guys who's value drops if he demands a trade, and most importantly, they have no incentive to tank. If they trade Giannis, they are as likely to want win-now guys as any contending team. We're deep, but not the kind of deep that gets Giannis. Miami I think has a good chance, Cavs could start with Mobley, Grizz have JJJ, and obviously the Thunder have the assets to go there as well. Just dont think the Warriors can compete unless the Bucks are basically going all in on the Warriors being bad in the upcoming future... a tough thing to bank on if Giannis were here

If the Bucks move Giannis it might be the beginning of a tank in which case they won't want players but picks. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are past their primes, so without Giannis they could reasonable be starting over. That would make Houston a possible targeted trading partner even if they are not a likely destination Giannis would want.

[bay2hk]

Jk wanted 35M/year, dubs countered with 30M.

That's not horrible, but he's still not worth double of Moody.

as for today, he doesn't worth 30M either. if that is true, that was a bad counter.

As it turned out it was actually a very good one. If the amount was too low Kuminga might feel insulted. Going by the contracts signed by others in the league it appeared to be about market rate for players in Kuminga's situation. If you thought it was too much to offer it still turned out fine since Kuminga rejected it.

Rather keep Wiggins at $28m then pay Kuminga $35m and trade Wiggins. Kuminga should have take $30m. My prediction is he will get traded before the deadline.

Warriors are likely not matching anything above $30m in the offseason with how Wiggins is playing.

[wco81]

I know people love to dream about Giannis at GSW, but its been 5 games and they dont have their 2nd best player - and yes, he is their 2nd best player, because he's not a total sieve defensively

They are under no pressure at all to move him because he's not one of those guys who's value drops if he demands a trade, and most importantly, they have no incentive to tank. If they trade Giannis, they are as likely to want win-now guys as any contending team. We're deep, but not the kind of deep that gets Giannis. Miami I think has a good chance, Cavs could start with Mobley, Grizz have JJJ, and obviously the Thunder have the assets to go there as well. Just dont think the Warriors can compete unless the Bucks are basically going all in on the Warriors being bad in the upcoming future... a tough thing to bank on if Giannis were here

If the Bucks move Giannis it might be the beginning of a tank in which case they won't want players but picks. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are past their primes, so without Giannis they could reasonable be starting over. That would make Houston a possible targeted trading partner even if they are not a likely destination Giannis would want.

If they decide to move Giannis, they have to take salary back. He's making over $48 million and the salaries just ramp up year after year.

They have to get an expiring contract but the team trading the expiring contract isn't going to want to throw in a ton of picks.

[chococo]

Not sure if there's been any discussion on this board about this yet: There has been rumors about the Dubs trading for Butler. I like Butler as he has the grit and the basketball IQ particularly on the defensive end, but I'm not sure if he's the one that we need to get us the chips as we have enough players (Wiggs, Moody, Hield, Melton, Waters, Santos...) who can play at the Two position. Any thoughts on this trade / Butler?

[Onus]

I know people love to dream about Giannis at GSW, but its been 5 games and they dont have their 2nd best player - and yes, he is their 2nd best player, because he's not a total sieve defensively

They are under no pressure at all to move him because he's not one of those guys who's value drops if he demands a trade, and most importantly, they have no incentive to tank. If they trade Giannis, they are as likely to want win-now guys as any contending team. We're deep, but not the kind of deep that gets Giannis. Miami I think has a good chance, Cavs could start with Mobley, Grizz have JJJ, and obviously the Thunder have the assets to go there as well. Just dont think the Warriors can compete unless the Bucks are basically going all in on the Warriors being bad in the upcoming future... a tough thing to bank on if Giannis were here

If the Bucks move Giannis it might be the beginning of a tank in which case they won't want players but picks. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are past their primes, so without Giannis they could reasonable be starting over. That would make Houston a possible targeted trading partner even if they are not a likely destination Giannis would want.

The bucks can’t tank. They don’t control any of their draft picks until 2031

[Scoots1994]

I know people love to dream about Giannis at GSW, but its been 5 games and they dont have their 2nd best player - and yes, he is their 2nd best player, because he's not a total sieve defensively

They are under no pressure at all to move him because he's not one of those guys who's value drops if he demands a trade, and most importantly, they have no incentive to tank. If they trade Giannis, they are as likely to want win-now guys as any contending team. We're deep, but not the kind of deep that gets Giannis. Miami I think has a good chance, Cavs could start with Mobley, Grizz have JJJ, and obviously the Thunder have the assets to go there as well. Just dont think the Warriors can compete unless the Bucks are basically going all in on the Warriors being bad in the upcoming future... a tough thing to bank on if Giannis were here

If the Bucks move Giannis it might be the beginning of a tank in which case they won't want players but picks. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are past their primes, so without Giannis they could reasonable be starting over. That would make Houston a possible targeted trading partner even if they are not a likely destination Giannis would want.

If they decide to move Giannis, they have to take salary back. He's making over $48 million and the salaries just ramp up year after year.

They have to get an expiring contract but the team trading the expiring contract isn't going to want to throw in a ton of picks.

Yeah, I meant to imply Houston as a member of a more complex trade rather than THE trading partner. Wrote it too quick

If they act soon I could see the Bucks getting a decent future return for some of their vets and just burn down their cap for a few years with bad contracts they take back.

[EvanZ]

Rudy Gay retired this week. I think we’d be lucky if Kuminga was ever as good as Rudy in his prime. In fact a decent comp for JK is smaller Rudy Gay.

[Scoots1994]

I know people love to dream about Giannis at GSW, but its been 5 games and they dont have their 2nd best player - and yes, he is their 2nd best player, because he's not a total sieve defensively

They are under no pressure at all to move him because he's not one of those guys who's value drops if he demands a trade, and most importantly, they have no incentive to tank. If they trade Giannis, they are as likely to want win-now guys as any contending team. We're deep, but not the kind of deep that gets Giannis. Miami I think has a good chance, Cavs could start with Mobley, Grizz have JJJ, and obviously the Thunder have the assets to go there as well. Just dont think the Warriors can compete unless the Bucks are basically going all in on the Warriors being bad in the upcoming future... a tough thing to bank on if Giannis were here

If the Bucks move Giannis it might be the beginning of a tank in which case they won't want players but picks. Lillard, Middleton, and Lopez are past their primes, so without Giannis they could reasonable be starting over. That would make Houston a possible targeted trading partner even if they are not a likely destination Giannis would want.

The bucks can’t tank. They don’t control any of their draft picks until 2031

I didn't mean "tank for picks" just that they would be "in the tank" meaning they would be performing poorly and have some years of sucking by dumping all of the talent they have for bad contracts and picks. Wrote too quick before I had to go

[Onus]

playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting. Thus far, Moody is trending to clear the bar in both true shooting percentage and 3-point attempts but finish with just 1,503 minutes.

Why would moody agent agree to this bonus? Moody is never going to clear 1600 minutes here. I understand this kicks in next year but it seems no matter what he does he just keeps getting kicked back down the totem pole especially since it seems like Lindy is taking some of his minutes.

[Scoots1994]

playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting. Thus far, Moody is trending to clear the bar in both true shooting percentage and 3-point attempts but finish with just 1,503 minutes.

Why would moody agent agree to this bonus? Moody is never going to clear 1600 minutes here. I understand this kicks in next year but it seems no matter what he does he just keeps getting kicked back down the totem pole especially since it seems like Lindy is taking some of his minutes.

What did Moody do to Kerr is the question. Moody is not fundamentally wildly better than the players around him on the roster, but he seems to usually lose out in playing time. Is it possible he has some chronic health issue that means he needs to be kept under 20 minutes? It's odd.

[Onus]

playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting. Thus far, Moody is trending to clear the bar in both true shooting percentage and 3-point attempts but finish with just 1,503 minutes.

Why would moody agent agree to this bonus? Moody is never going to clear 1600 minutes here. I understand this kicks in next year but it seems no matter what he does he just keeps getting kicked back down the totem pole especially since it seems like Lindy is taking some of his minutes.

What did Moody do to Kerr is the question. Moody is not fundamentally wildly better than the players around him on the roster, but he seems to usually lose out in playing time. Is it possible he has some chronic health issue that means he needs to be kept under 20 minutes? It's odd.

I think Kerr wants his guards to be able to dribble and make decisions or be an elite shooter. Things Moody doesn't do. Moody also isn't a great POA defender. So he kind of is pigeon holed as a 3 in Kerr's mind (maybe). The 3 is crowded because Wiggs, JK, will play big minutes and they'll play 3 and 4. But the 3 can also be sized down to get more shooters so Lindy, or Buddy can play there. GP2 is situationally a poa defender but he's mostly a 3 as well. So that's 6 players that can play the 3, but that's really the only position that Kerr seems to want to put Moody in.

[Crazy-Canuck]

playing at least 1,600 minutes, attempting at least nine 3-pointers per 100 possessions and achieving at least 60 percent true shooting. Thus far, Moody is trending to clear the bar in both true shooting percentage and 3-point attempts but finish with just 1,503 minutes.

Why would moody agent agree to this bonus? Moody is never going to clear 1600 minutes here. I understand this kicks in next year but it seems no matter what he does he just keeps getting kicked back down the totem pole especially since it seems like Lindy is taking some of his minutes.

What did Moody do to Kerr is the question. Moody is not fundamentally wildly better than the players around him on the roster, but he seems to usually lose out in playing time. Is it possible he has some chronic health issue that means he needs to be kept under 20 minutes? It's odd.

I think Kerr wants his guards to be able to dribble and make decisions or be an elite shooter. Things Moody doesn't do. Moody also isn't a great POA defender. So he kind of is pigeon holed as a 3 in Kerr's mind (maybe). The 3 is crowded because Wiggs, JK, will play big minutes and they'll play 3 and 4. But the 3 can also be sized down to get more shooters so Lindy, or Buddy can play there. GP2 is situationally a poa defender but he's mostly a 3 as well. So that's 6 players that can play the 3, but that's really the only position that Kerr seems to want to put Moody in.

Kerr in the past has mentioned moody as klays understudy. I think kerr seed moody as a sg. I do think he's a good team defender, one of the better ones on the roster. And now he's more aggressive and hunting shots.

If jk goes back to the 4, that should open more minutes for Moody as Wiggins primary back up. We only have 2 actual wings on this roster, yet kerr continues to put play small or stupid.

I really have no idea what more moody has to do.

[Onus]

What did Moody do to Kerr is the question. Moody is not fundamentally wildly better than the players around him on the roster, but he seems to usually lose out in playing time. Is it possible he has some chronic health issue that means he needs to be kept under 20 minutes? It's odd.

I think Kerr wants his guards to be able to dribble and make decisions or be an elite shooter. Things Moody doesn't do. Moody also isn't a great POA defender. So he kind of is pigeon holed as a 3 in Kerr's mind (maybe). The 3 is crowded because Wiggs, JK, will play big minutes and they'll play 3 and 4. But the 3 can also be sized down to get more shooters so Lindy, or Buddy can play there. GP2 is situationally a poa defender but he's mostly a 3 as well. So that's 6 players that can play the 3, but that's really the only position that Kerr seems to want to put Moody in.

Kerr in the past has mentioned moody as klays understudy. I think kerr seed moody as a sg. I do think he's a good team defender, one of the better ones on the roster. And now he's more aggressive and hunting shots.

If jk goes back to the 4, that should open more minutes for Moody as Wiggins primary back up. We only have 2 actual wings on this roster, yet kerr continues to put play small or stupid.

I really have no idea what more moody has to do.

Moody's shot is slow. He's not the shooter Klay, Buddy and Waters are. He's just not in that class.

He's a great team defender. Rotates well, covers ground, gets deflections, rebounds.

I think Moody is getting less minutes because Lindy provides more spacing, has to be guarded differently. So Kerr has been experimenting with Buddy and Lindy on the court at the same time and then seeing if he can play Kyle, Looney, JK together or some combination.

I'm not sure Lindy is as great of a movement shooter. He seems to shoot much better as a stationary shooter.

[Impuniti]

Not sure if there's been any discussion on this board about this yet: There has been rumors about the Dubs trading for Butler. I like Butler as he has the grit and the basketball IQ particularly on the defensive end, but I'm not sure if he's the one that we need to get us the chips as we have enough players (Wiggs, Moody, Hield, Melton, Waters, Santos...) who can play at the Two position. Any thoughts on this trade / Butler?

Absolutley horrendous. A very injury prone old player, that can't shoot 3s. Add super iso type of basketball, and you have the complete opposite of what the Warriors are right now..

Fast, lots of movement, 3P shooting, and tons of energy. He can stay in Miami.

[Onus]

Not sure if there's been any discussion on this board about this yet: There has been rumors about the Dubs trading for Butler. I like Butler as he has the grit and the basketball IQ particularly on the defensive end, but I'm not sure if he's the one that we need to get us the chips as we have enough players (Wiggs, Moody, Hield, Melton, Waters, Santos...) who can play at the Two position. Any thoughts on this trade / Butler?

Absolutley horrendous. A very injury prone old player, that can't shoot 3s. Add super iso type of basketball, and you have the complete opposite of what the Warriors are right now..

Fast, lots of movement, 3P shooting, and tons of energy. He can stay in Miami.

The biggest issue is that to trade for any big contract now it would need to include wiggins, but we would want to add someone to wiggins and dray. That and we are so close to our hard cap that we would need to send out more money than we take back so we can add vet mins to the roster otherwise we wouldn't be able to fill out the roster.

Just seems unlikely.

Butler is better than Wiggins but is he worth adding whatever it would take to get him? I wouldn't add any draft picks for Butler who is 35.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Rudy Gay retired this week. I think we’d be lucky if Kuminga was ever as good as Rudy in his prime. In fact a decent comp for JK is smaller Rudy Gay.

I don't think it can happen. Rudy had way better handles/ball control and he actually had a mid range game. His crazy wingspan helped him do a lot more with the ball with a lot less effort.

[Twinkie defense]

I think Manleavy's trading JK before the deadline and we won't have to worry about it anymore.

Gotta give Dunleavy a lot of credit - he has really assembled a group of players - draft picks and vets - who fit the Warriors' system and can play with our best players.

Scary that we're attributing so much to Stotts and he's the betting favorite to take over for Milwaukee.

No way Bucks can make ANOTHER coaching change?

Too bad Giannis is a 4.

He would be a great Death Lineup five.

is there any practical deal that would make a giannis trade work?

Wiggins / Kuminga / Podz and a bunch of picks perhaps

are there many teams that would give more young talent than that? OKC can but no chance they give up Chet even for giannis imo. i guess they could throw so many picks it doesn't matter though

Bucks are a small market team up against the second apron, in the repeater tax, and losing millions every season. If they can't content with this group they are going to tear it down - there's no incentive for them to take on a big-salaried Kuminga.

[Impuniti]

Not sure if there's been any discussion on this board about this yet: There has been rumors about the Dubs trading for Butler. I like Butler as he has the grit and the basketball IQ particularly on the defensive end, but I'm not sure if he's the one that we need to get us the chips as we have enough players (Wiggs, Moody, Hield, Melton, Waters, Santos...) who can play at the Two position. Any thoughts on this trade / Butler?

Absolutley horrendous. A very injury prone old player, that can't shoot 3s. Add super iso type of basketball, and you have the complete opposite of what the Warriors are right now..

Fast, lots of movement, 3P shooting, and tons of energy. He can stay in Miami.

The biggest issue is that to trade for any big contract now it would need to include wiggins, but we would want to add someone to wiggins and dray. That and we are so close to our hard cap that we would need to send out more money than we take back so we can add vet mins to the roster otherwise we wouldn't be able to fill out the roster.

Just seems unlikely.

Butler is better than Wiggins but is he worth adding whatever it would take to get him? I wouldn't add any draft picks for Butler who is 35.

That and the issues I stated. There's not much upside to bringing in Butler. Not super injury prone mid 30 year olds. Either find the right star or keep this team as is.

[wco81]

Butler abused Jrue in the playoffs a couple of years ago, which is why the Bucks traded him away.

Then he had a great playoffs run last season, one of the best players on the champions.

[Jester_]

Rudy Gay retired this week. I think we’d be lucky if Kuminga was ever as good as Rudy in his prime. In fact a decent comp for JK is smaller Rudy Gay.

i think no chance kumbuckets ever reaches prime Gay. that guy was lanky and could bury middies at will