Caleb Williams and other 2024 NFL Draft QB Prospects

[wco81]

There were skeptics about Bryce. Nobody was claiming some other prospect was necessarily better but his size should have raised all kinds of flags as well as the general track record of Alabama QBs in the NFL.

[WentzerWuver]

There were skeptics about Bryce. Nobody was claiming some other prospect was necessarily better but his size should have raised all kinds of flags as well as the general track record of Alabama QBs in the NFL.

What track record? They turn out more highly regarded players in the NFL over other colleges along with recent stud QB like Hurts and Tua since you're probably too young to know who 'The Snake" and "Broadway Joe" was. Bryce will be another successful pro cause his intangibles are thru the roof, imho. If the Panthers never traded their only playmaker in DJ, they wouldn't have ended up struggling on offense as much as they did. However, DJ did help Fields turn his game around more than any other player cause of his breakaway speed.

https://youtube.com/shorts/3ZPf4wzOrvs?si=NnGTJD9zrzzesBeP

https://youtube.com/shorts/45s85fE97pU?si=yB6vuqhv8fNVZPqk

[wco81]

It's way early.

Caleb isn't making the signature plays he made in college. That's to be expected, since all players have to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

But one thing you notice is that when he's pressured, he puts his eyes down, trying to escape, so he isn't looking for outlets to get rid of the ball.

Maybe he's used to escaping and then he can find someone open but if that's his approach, he's going to struggle.

I don't know what changes the Bears made to their OL, which has been a weakness the last few seasons. But it seems like they're giving him the full set of keys, not weaning him into the pro game, like going run-heavy and trying to give him some easy reads off play action, that is managing the game at least at the start of his career. Instead he's in empty sets a fair amount of time, less than 2 games into his pro career.

Saw one play where he changed at the LOS and got a 5-yard pass so they seem to be giving him a lot of latitude.

[Cactus Jack]

It's way early.

Caleb isn't making the signature plays he made in college. That's to be expected, since all players have to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

But one thing you notice is that when he's pressured, he puts his eyes down, trying to escape, so he isn't looking for outlets to get rid of the ball.

Maybe he's used to escaping and then he can find someone open but if that's his approach, he's going to struggle.

I don't know what changes the Bears made to their OL, which has been a weakness the last few seasons. But it seems like they're giving him the full set of keys, not weaning him into the pro game, like going run-heavy and trying to give him some easy reads off play action, that is managing the game at least at the start of his career. Instead he's in empty sets a fair amount of time, less than 2 games into his pro career.

Saw one play where he changed at the LOS and got a 5-yard pass so they seem to be giving him a lot of latitude.

It looks like the game still needs to slow down for him. He looks overwhelmed.

[wco81]

Wow 363 yards for Caleb, 2 TDs.

But also 2 ints. in a 5-point loss.

Did he make throws in the pocket or was he bailing the pocket a lot and hit some big plays outside the pocket?

[wco81]

Bears lose to Cards. Didn't see the game but Caleb sacked 6 times apparently, dropped back 41 times for 216 yards but Cards limited them to under 250 total yards and just 9 points.

Is he dancing in the backfield, trying to extend plays and getting sacked?

Or is the Bears OL that bad or both?

[righterwriter]

Obviously it's extremely premature, but nonetheless,if teams needing a QB had to do a 2024 redraft, who do you think would get taken where? I'd say:

1) CHI- Jayden Daniels
2) WSH - Drake Maye
3) NE - Caleb Williams

Jayden is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of his play. Drake is playing better than Caleb and looks like he has tools to have a much higher upside, as well. Williams is just disappointing. There are far too many weapons in Chicago for him to be not doing more, even if he's getting a lot of defensive pressure.

[WentzerWuver]

Obviously it's extremely premature, but nonetheless,if teams needing a QB had to do a 2024 redraft, who do you think would get taken where? I'd say:

1) CHI- Jayden Daniels
2) WSH - Drake Maye
3) NE - Caleb Williams

Jayden is head and shoulders above the rest in terms of his play. Drake is playing better than Caleb and looks like he has tools to have a much higher upside, as well. Williams is just disappointing. There are far too many weapons in Chicago for him to be not doing more, even if he's getting a lot of defensive pressure.

Caleb early struggles seems to surprise you? Frankly, I thought he played better than expected at this point considering he is very mobile but doesn't look to run with the ball when he should at times. The real fault lies with their HC and his staff just like they had failed Fields, who was playing much better with the Steelers imo. If Andy Reid was his HC, he would fair much better. Still da Bears should had kept Fields and traded down the top pick for the mother load from teams willing to offer at least 3 first round picks, even 5 depending on how far they were willing to drop in the draft for the rights to take any top QB of their choosing. The 49ers gave up 3 first round picks plus change just to move up to select the 3rd QB in super raw Lance.

I still think the biggest bust will still be JJ McCarthy, considering where he was taken. If he was starting as a rook, Caleb would look elite compared to him right now. Anyways, the only QB I liked in this class was Daniels and Penix Jr. way before the draft even took place as the most likely to succeed at the next level.

https://youtube.com/shorts/iRzhdxjtuio?si=227tYsZsS2Rs8L7b

[wco81]

Caleb leads the NFL in off target throws.

A couple of times he was going to get sacked but lost a few more yards trying to evade the sack when there were two or more Cards rushers breaking through the protection.

Orlovsky is blaming the coaching, hints that they should hire Ben Johnson and then Caleb can have a renaissance like Goff.

Um, only 9 games in, they’re pronouncing Caleb a half bust already?

[El Turco]

It is early and Bears not doing great job protecting him but when was the last time player struggled this much first year starting and ended up a great quarterback? Maybe Goff in recent history but probably most wouldnt call him great.

[QB_Eagles]

It is early and Bears not doing great job protecting him but when was the last time player struggled this much first year starting and ended up a great quarterback? Maybe Goff in recent history but probably most wouldnt call him great.

Every time a rookie QB is struggling, it is mentioned that Peyton Manning had 28 INTs his rookie season.

[El Turco]

It is early and Bears not doing great job protecting him but when was the last time player struggled this much first year starting and ended up a great quarterback? Maybe Goff in recent history but probably most wouldnt call him great.

Every time a rookie QB is struggling, it is mentioned that Peyton Manning had 28 INTs his rookie season.

Yeah if you go back there is Steve Young and Troy Aikman too but they played a different game.

[Cactus Jack]

Caleb has a couple of things working against him (Mid OC & a poor OL). Those two things are a huge detriment when you have a guy like Caleb who likes to hold onto the ball longer than most & routinely play out of structure.

The other factor is that Jayden is just a better QB at the moment. Who also looks like a bona-fide franchise guy. Kingsbury was also a really underrated hire.

I thought Caleb & Jayden we're both worthy of being the #1 pick (1A & 1B). But Chicago should clean house & bring in a new staff.

[WentzerWuver]

Caleb has a couple of things working against him (Mid OC & a poor OL). Those two things are a huge detriment when you have a guy like Caleb who likes to hold onto the ball longer than most & routinely play out of structure.

The other factor is that Jayden is just a better QB at the moment. Who also looks like a bona-fide franchise guy. Kingsbury was also a really underrated hire.

I thought Caleb & Jayden we're both worthy of being the #1 pick (1A & 1B). But Jayden landed in a better situation if we're being honest here. Chicago should clean house & bring in a new staff.

Agree with the last sentence. Rumor has it that Ben Johnson wants da Bears job for awhile now. Imagine what he can do with Caleb after turning former top overall pick Goff from near bust to irreplaceable fit for the Lions.

https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3529644/albert-breer-reporting-that-the-lions-oc-ben-johnson-wanted-the-bears-job-last-off-season

https://youtu.be/npBzemWiJ-w?si=y-_qnFpOLYYqxq5o

https://nypost.com/2024/11/04/sports/bears-matt-eberflus-under-fire-for-decision-that-led-to-scary-caleb-williams-scene/

I have no problem with Caleb nor Fields as they are NOT the current problem. I still think Justin is a better QB over a certain bust like Caleb, based on where both was taken. Even stated this during the draft. Still, to blame them on their play now is narrow-minded as they have a serious problem with coaching from preparation to the play calling. I guess the owner for this team don't care who is coaching. I have the same concern with our HC too, but that's not the topic here.

[wco81]

Again, didn't watch the Bears game but May beat him, battle of the rookie QBs.

Bears only put up 3 points and Caleb was sacked 9 times.

Jimmy Johnson said the line is bad but the scheme is also bad and Caleb is also holding the ball too long.

Instead of trying to make him go through progressions, maybe they should mix in one-read plays, if it's not there run or throw it away, to get his confidence up.

But is he trying to do too much, thinking he could make the same plays he made at USC in the NFL?

Because while he made a lot of big plays, against some of the better defenses, like once or twice against Utah, he didn't have big games.

Jimmy also alluded to mechanics and maybe footwork issues.

[Cactus Jack]

Again, didn't watch the Bears game but May beat him, battle of the rookie QBs.

Bears only put up 3 points and Caleb was sacked 9 times.

Jimmy Johnson said the line is bad but the scheme is also bad and Caleb is also holding the ball too long.

Instead of trying to make him go through progressions, maybe they should mix in one-read plays, if it's not there run or throw it away, to get his confidence up.

But is he trying to do too much, thinking he could make the same plays he made at USC in the NFL?

Because while he made a lot of big plays, against some of the better defenses, like once or twice against Utah, he didn't have big games.

Jimmy also alluded to mechanics and maybe footwork issues.

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[wco81]

Well Caleb was suppose to be a generational prospect so people are going to wait to see what happens with different coaches, which should happen next season.

Then again, Trevor Lawrence was suppose to be the next great QB, greatest prospect since Luck. He's okay but nobody is putting him in the top 10 are they?

These QBs are so young yet teams are giving up on them quickly. We will see if the Bears give him a big extension in 3 years or so.

[Cactus Jack]

There you have it!

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[wco81]

Just saw Caleb on third down go back for pass.

There was a huge gap in the middle of the Vikings coverage and a Bears WR ran right across the gap. He overran it instead of sitting right in the middle.

But Caleb should have thrown like a 5-10 yard pass right in the middle, hit him in stride and it should have been a big gain.

Instead he broke the pocket and either gained or lost about a yard.

Maybe he's just trying to make big highlight plays, not taking easy gains the defense is giving him.

[hermes]

i thought williams played better in the first game against the vikings