2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread

[LeBronSpaghetti]

Who deserves it so far:

1. Jokic
2. AD
3. Tatum
4. SGA
5. Ant

Who the top contenders are in reality:

1. Tatum
2. SGA
3. Luka
4. Ant
5. Mitchell

I don’t see why Edwards and Mitchell get mentioned with the others here?impact has been pretty pedestrian so far.

Because they’re American, the best player on their team, and their teams are good. Who else would be ahead of them? My “top contenders in reality” list is me putting myself into the head of the voters. That’s why Jokic isn’t on the list.

[bisme37]

I added a poll.

It's really hard to make an MVP poll without people getting mad that their guy is not in it, but quote me and let me know if the season goes on and it becomes clear the options should change. Or just deal with it haha.

It's set up so you can change your vote as often as you'd like as players jockey for position throughout the season.

Enjoy!

[Roger Murdock]

This is going to be a weird year. I think it will be SGA vs Jokic for the award.

Thunder will probably win 60+ games and SGA will have better stats than Tatum (or Mitchell if the Cavs also get to 60 wins).
Jokic seems poised to have another ATG statistical season and basically has to hard carry a really bad team every night.

I think SGA will win overall due to fatigue and having 10+ more wins than Jokic.

I think SGA/Doncic/Mitchell/Tatum/Giannis/Durant/Jokic will battle for first team all NBA




Its going to be intresting what happens with all NBA this year. Seems highly unlikely Embiid, Kawhi, Banchero,Haliburton, will make all NBA due to games/injury.

Could 2x Thunder or Cavs players make all NBA? Chet, Mobley, and Allen are all top 10 in bball ref MVP tracker. Garland too.

[WarriorGM]

Will this be the first time "Other" ends up being the real winner of the poll question?

[Ambrose]

Will this be the first time "Other" ends up being the real winner of the poll question?

Curry won't win it

[CobraCommander]

My top 5 so far

1) SGA
2) Tatum
3) Jokic
4) Booker
5) Davis

I expect by the end of the season Doncic, Curry and Wemby will be in and around the top 5

Surprisingly Jokic is number 1 in per.,,.and once the nuggets start winning - he is going to win the mvp

With the dog **** roster they assembled and with Murray constantly hurt and now even Aaron Gordon hurt I really doubt they are going to "start winning" anything. Literally would be worse than the Wizards if Jokic got hurt.

How many games does the jokic win to get a mvp?

[CobraCommander]

The first part of the bold text is correct, but misses details/context, the second part is not correct.
Doncic played 32 minutes. Yes, it's the most in the team, but it's still only 32 minutes and 3 other players played 28-29.
Luka was subbed out with 7:57 to play with 9 Rebs and 7 Asts - was he looking for a triple-double he could easily have pulled some prime Westbrook staff, totally avoiding shooting and hunting for assists for the next few minutes.

Mavs won by 23, not 40, and it was +29 when he was subbed out.
With 27 points lead heading into the last quarter, personally I would prefer him to rest in the final quarter, even if it means they will lose such a game once every 10-15 games (Mavs have enough 4th collapses the last couple of seasons), but first there is a reason I'm not an NBA coach, and second, he only player the first 4 minutes of the last quarter and then rested for good.

Can we finally stop those incorrect stat-padding notions?

Now, I'm not saying Doncic deserves any MVP recognition yet.
I even think it's better for him and Dallas to be far away from it, if the reason is he's well-rested and plays as many 32-minutes games as possible (after 37.5 MPG last season and increasing it every season of his career).

It was hyperbole for effect but if you watch the game he was playing a lot of worthless minutes against an enemy that had waved the white flag. The question is why?

He is young so he might just be out there balling for fun. Which is cool- if I had it rolling I would want to stay out there too.

My complaint isn’t about Luka it’s about managing his minutes to Minimize the risk of injury.

Like always he will be in the top 5 of the mvp votes.

Somewhere between 1-5

Jokic most likely winning it again-

Right now it’s AD, SGA, Tatum, Jokic…. Luka isn’t 5th yet

Again, he subbed out with 8 minutes to play - instead of the 12 you expected (?). Mavs are known to blow big leads, not sure what is a complain here.
And don't get me wrong, for me Luka isn't even in the top-15 in MVP ladder so far this season, it's fine. With the team improving its roster, I expected to him to take a backseat in FGA in favor of implementing new pieces to the team, even it means they lose a couple of more games (vs hero ball).

I don’t blame players for their playing time/ I blame coaches -

Luka padding his stats is fine/. Players just like playing

A coach letting him risk injury to pad stats is horrible

[CobraCommander]

This is going to be a weird year. I think it will be SGA vs Jokic for the award.

Thunder will probably win 60+ games and SGA will have better stats than Tatum (or Mitchell if the Cavs also get to 60 wins).
Jokic seems poised to have another ATG statistical season and basically has to hard carry a really bad team every night.

I think SGA will win overall due to fatigue and having 10+ more wins than Jokic.

I think SGA/Doncic/Mitchell/Tatum/Giannis/Durant/Jokic will battle for first team all NBA




Its going to be intresting what happens with all NBA this year. Seems highly unlikely Embiid, Kawhi, Banchero,Haliburton, will make all NBA due to games/injury.

Could 2x Thunder or Cavs players make all NBA? Chet, Mobley, and Allen are all top 10 in bball ref MVP tracker. Garland too.

First team right now is jokic, Mitchell, SGA, Tatum and AD! It’s insane that Mitchell and AD upsetting the apple cart

[BigGargamel]

Now Aaron Gordon is out for multiple weeks. Jokic about to carry an entire franchise on his shoulders once again.

[Exp0sed]

Now Aaron Gordon is out for multiple weeks. Jokic about to carry an entire franchise on his shoulders once again.

this season for Jokic is gonna turn out very similar to 2022, imo, but with an opposite result

thus far the Nuggets only beat bad teams, got demolished by OKC at home in the opener and lost to the Wolves while barely beating the likes of Raps\Nets etc. without Murray and AG they will obviously fare even poorer than that, the most they can hope for is something like 44-48 wins (48 is pretty generous tbh if Murray isn't himself all season). they weren't that good to begin with and their bench\depth is awful. having Murray hobbled or out half the season and losing AG now too for a couple of weeks...there's no way they can string together enough wins. they're going to get demolished again tonight by OKC and they'll be lucky to be over 0.500 when Novemeber ends

Jokic will be (again) the most productive, impactful and best player in the league but he's not gonna get another MVP from a 6th seed, not when u have legit superstars who are on teams with 10-15 more wins

since they'd have to lean heavily on Jokic, his stats (raw and advanced) will be off the charts, as in - way better than his competitors and in my book that should be the criteria - which players added the most wins to his team. the answer to that question will be Jokic but since that's not how most ppl (and voters) define "MVP" - this is the year someone else gets it

whomever will be the healthiest has the most chance of achieving that, last time around the only "best player best team" guys like Luka (and Booker\CP3 that year) played considerably less games and had less individual wins than Jokic that probably won't be the case this year. if SGA, Luka or whomever else would step up and dominate and reach 70-72 games played would be a first time MVP

smart money's on SGA as the Thunder are almost a lock to have the best record out west, SGA isn't particularly injury prone and the general narrative doesn't factor enough the amount of "help" he's getting

also, quite a few voters felt he deserved it last year due to seeding, so it'd be natural to give him this one
obviously alot can still happen but with Joe L out of the race (he won't even attempt to reach 65 games this year), the Bucks in the muck and Tatum rightfully percieved as being a tier below - this should be SGA's year

[doogie_hauser]

Tatum gets added credibility and votes simply for winning a chip last season (despite being on a stacked roster)

Lover Joker but cannot see him it winning it again due being overwhelmed by carrying an injury plagued Nuggets team (maybe to the play in)

Lakers will stink too much for AD to be a legit candidate.

[WarriorGM]

Will this be the first time "Other" ends up being the real winner of the poll question?

Curry won't win it

What are the arguments against him?

[AleksandarN]

Now Aaron Gordon is out for multiple weeks. Jokic about to carry an entire franchise on his shoulders once again.

this season for Jokic is gonna turn out very similar to 2022, imo, but with an opposite result

thus far the Nuggets only beat bad teams, got demolished by OKC at home in the opener and lost to the Wolves while barely beating the likes of Raps\Nets etc. without Murray and AG they will obviously fare even poorer than that, the most they can hope for is something like 44-48 wins (48 is pretty generous tbh if Murray isn't himself all season). they weren't that good to begin with and their bench\depth is awful. having Murray hobbled or out half the season and losing AG now too for a couple of weeks...there's no way they can string together enough wins. they're going to get demolished again tonight by OKC and they'll be lucky to be over 0.500 when Novemeber ends

Jokic will be (again) the most productive, impactful and best player in the league but he's not gonna get another MVP from a 6th seed, not when u have legit superstars who are on teams with 10-15 more wins

since they'd have to lean heavily on Jokic, his stats (raw and advanced) will be off the charts, as in - way better than his competitors and in my book that should be the criteria - which players added the most wins to his team. the answer to that question will be Jokic but since that's not how most ppl (and voters) define "MVP" - this is the year someone else gets it

whomever will be the healthiest has the most chance of achieving that, last time around the only "best player best team" guys like Luka (and Booker\CP3 that year) played considerably less games and had less individual wins than Jokic that probably won't be the case this year. if SGA, Luka or whomever else would step up and dominate and reach 70-72 games played would be a first time MVP

smart money's on SGA as the Thunder are almost a lock to have the best record out west, SGA isn't particularly injury prone and the general narrative doesn't factor enough the amount of "help" he's getting

also, quite a few voters felt he deserved it last year due to seeding, so it'd be natural to give him this one
obviously alot can still happen but with Joe L out of the race (he won't even attempt to reach 65 games this year), the Bucks in the muck and Tatum rightfully percieved as being a tier below - this should be SGA's year

Actually believe it or not I think these injuries are going to good for the Nuggets. It will help their depth. It will force Malone into playing the young guys more. They will grow together as a team. I expect Denver to win 52 games. Heck last year they won 57 and that’s with Murray missing quarter of the season.

[Woodsanity]

Surprisingly Jokic is number 1 in per.,,.and once the nuggets start winning - he is going to win the mvp

With the dog **** roster they assembled and with Murray constantly hurt and now even Aaron Gordon hurt I really doubt they are going to "start winning" anything. Literally would be worse than the Wizards if Jokic got hurt.

How many games does the jokic win to get a mvp?

Probably 60+ wins to even have a chance. There is mvp voter fatigue as well.

Btw I just realized you were a Wizards fan, that comment was not intentionally directed at you.

I was thinking Pistons or Wizards.

[Ambrose]

Will this be the first time "Other" ends up being the real winner of the poll question?

Curry won't win it

What are the arguments against him?

He and they won't be good enough.

[WarriorGM]

Curry won't win it

What are the arguments against him?

He and they won't be good enough.

Well he and they better not be because if he and they are he's going to have the strongest argument.

[Exp0sed]

Actually believe it or not I think these injuries are going to good for the Nuggets. It will help their depth. It will force Malone into playing the young guys more. They will grow together as a team. I expect Denver to win 52 games. Heck last year they won 57 and that’s with Murray missing quarter of the season.

well you know, schedule has a lot to do with it. if u happen to meet a few good teams without their stars etc.
52 is a stretch imo. playing the young guys more, like who?

Strawther is a good shooter and an NBA caliber player, NNaji is a replacement level player, Watson has potential but he fouls too much to really make use of exta PT, Cancar is awful...so who exactly are we talking about?

in reality in the coming weeks without AG and Murray, the Nuggets only have these players to work with:
CB, MPJ, Watson, WB, Strawther, Jokic,NNaji - that's a sad top 7 that would be very lucky to stay above 0.500

maybe someone like Hunter can give them a few useful mins

they don't have capable players on their roster. Murray, especially in his current state - isn't that big of a loss on the court but that's like 70 million sitting on the bench

they aren't going to "grow together", they're just gonna suck because the talent and skill level just isn't there. I don't understand why they haven't picked up a couple of guys like Lonnie Walker, at least have a couple more NBA caliber players with some actual NBA experience

[AleksandarN]

Actually believe it or not I think these injuries are going to good for the Nuggets. It will help their depth. It will force Malone into playing the young guys more. They will grow together as a team. I expect Denver to win 52 games. Heck last year they won 57 and that’s with Murray missing quarter of the season.

well you know, schedule has a lot to do with it. if u happen to meet a few good teams without their stars etc.
52 is a stretch imo. playing the young guys more, like who?

Strawther is a good shooter and an NBA caliber player, NNaji is a replacement level player, Watson has potential but he fouls too much to really make use of exta PT, Cancar is awful...so who exactly are we talking about?

in reality in the coming weeks without AG and Murray, the Nuggets only have these players to work with:
CB, MPJ, Watson, WB, Strawther, Jokic,NNaji - that's a sad top 7 that would be very lucky to stay above 0.500

maybe someone like Hunter can give them a few useful mins

they don't have capable players on their roster. Murray, especially in his current state - isn't that big of a loss on the court but that's like 70 million sitting on the bench

they aren't going to "grow together", they're just gonna suck because the talent and skill level just isn't there. I don't understand why they haven't picked up a couple of guys like Lonnie Walker, at least have a couple more NBA caliber players with some actual NBA experience

Peyton fouling too much? Well the more you play the better you get and adjust I do believe this extra playing time Watson is going to get the next couple of weeks are going to be very beneficial for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if they slot him in the starting lineup with AG gone. He will be playing the 3 (which is his natural position I hate him at the four) and slide MPJ at the four. You are underselling Peyton by a fair bit here. Same with Julien I too think the added playing time will help. You will see. I could see them wining 2 of the 3 next games. Not going to lie the Thunder game is going to be tuff tonight. But I have confidence in Julien and Peyton

[Ambrose]

What are the arguments against him?

He and they won't be good enough.

Well he and they better not be because if he and they are he's going to have the strongest argument.

We won't have to worry about that.

[CobraCommander]

With the dog **** roster they assembled and with Murray constantly hurt and now even Aaron Gordon hurt I really doubt they are going to "start winning" anything. Literally would be worse than the Wizards if Jokic got hurt.

How many games does the jokic win to get a mvp?

Probably 60+ wins to even have a chance. There is mvp voter fatigue as well.

Btw I just realized you were a Wizards fan, that comment was not intentionally directed at you.

I was thinking Pistons or Wizards.

lol - wizard fan- at my local bar they got all the local teams banners up - even the mystics and two banners for the redskins and commanders - but no banner up for the wizards OR bullets… man it’s hard around the DMV if you a pro ball fan-

The crazy thing is Pool is gonna produce the same type of iso guard play as Beal, wall and Gil with even more losing!