PG: Knicks vs. Rockets where I want to strangle the refs

[HEZI]

Knicks didn’t lose because of the 3 point shot. They actually made more 3s than Houston. Also Houston was swarming the 3 point line and there weren’t too many open 3s and the ones that were available the team overall shot 39% which isn’t terrible considering KAT, Deuce and Josh were combined 0-9. But still they shot better than Houston and made more outside shots.

The lane was pretty open and there were a bunch of driving opportunities available so Knicks did what they were supposed to do because Houston’s defense was giving them those drives. Brunson missed a bunch of shots inside the arc that he normally makes, refs weren’t giving them the calls when they attacked the basket and were met with contact.

The team overall has been very efficient inside and outside the 3 point line, the game was lost last night because they weren’t as efficient from inside the line as they have been so far this year. Part of it was refs were bad and another part of it was Knicks just missed a lot of shots and some easy ones inside. Also bench was bad, Deuce had an off game and other than him there is nobody else so if he has an off game then you likely won’t get much from anyone else.

[KnicksGadfly]

Too many people try to come out of the woodwork every time Brunson has one or two bad games…like that Philly Knicks series in the previous playoffs, and we know how that turned out.

As for Randle, if you really are upset at how he was blamed by the fans, just go to the Wolves board and ask how they feel about his defensive effort. They know already.

[KnicksGadfly]

Knicks didn’t lose because of the 3 point shot. They actually made more 3s than Houston. Also Houston was swarming the 3 point line and there weren’t too many open 3s and the ones that were available the team overall shot 39% which isn’t terrible considering KAT, Deuce and Josh were combined 0-9. But still they shot better than Houston and made more outside shots.

The lane was pretty open and there were a bunch of driving opportunities available so Knicks did what they were supposed to do because Houston’s defense was giving them those drives. Brunson missed a bunch of shots inside the arc that he normally makes, refs weren’t giving them the calls when they attacked the basket and were met with contact.

The team overall has been very efficient inside and outside the 3 point line, the game was lost last night because they weren’t as efficient from inside the line as they have been so far this year. Part of it was refs were bad and another part of it was Knicks just missed a lot of shots and some easy ones inside. Also bench was bad, Deuce had an off game and other than him there is nobody else so if he has an off game then you likely won’t get much from anyone else.

Yep. We’ll be fine. We’ll build chemistry, guys will come back from injury, we’ll hopefully bring people to fortify the bench and the young guys will learn to play and gain trust with Thibs.

[NiceLikeChrist]

thibs has to go. this franchise needed jj redick to come in and give it some fresh perspective and a fresh brain. thibs is thibs and he's washed and stuck in his ways no matter what happens.

brunson...I'll cut him some slack for now since he has more of a chance to grow and learn than thibs does. I have zero faith in thibs.

[aggo]

Ok I dont want to freak out,


but we have some serious problems.



playing KAT in a deep drop makes us very predictable and Houston as able to get into the lane vs the drop and eat space and took plenty of floaters and midrange shots. they got whatever look they wanted time and time again.


Josh Hart was correct.

our offense rn is built around hunting mismatches but we take so long to get those mismatches. its playing postseason half court ball in the regular season.


maybe I am over reacting here, but I think we got exposed big time in the Houston game.

[Iron Mantis]

thibs has to go. this franchise needed jj redick to come in and give it some fresh perspective and a fresh brain. thibs is thibs and he's washed and stuck in his ways no matter what happens.

brunson...I'll cut him some slack for now since he has more of a chance to grow and learn than thibs does. I have zero faith in thibs.

Reddick, Atkinson, Udoka, etc... There were plenty of fresh options but they choose to stick with this outdated, low-ceiling coach.

[3toheadmelo]

My take is that giving Thibs an anti Thibs roster is a receipe for disaster. He’s not exactly the type to adjust to his personnel (offensively). Defensively he’s always had a rim protector at the 5 so idk how he’s gonna adjust to KAT as well. It’s a tough situation right now but still early.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

it's probably been posted already but it's a point worth repeating -



i understand our bench sucks and some guys are hurt but there are 29 other teams, many of which also have short benches who have been mired w/ injury - why is it that only the knicks run a 7.5 man rotation (again)

i'm honestly just burned out on this kind of shortsighted desperation w/ thibs - he will forever be the man he was 20+ years ago and to think anything otherwise is nothing short of delusion

This is what terrorism looks like, couple that with the low amount of threes we take and Thibs is Bin Laden of the NBA.

[TheDavinciCHODE]

I'm upset, not because what you said about the Rockets wasn't true. But this was still a very winnable game...and the coach and players didn't put out our best product. Towns with the dumb fouls, Brunson with the tunnel vision. Really only O.G. brought it.

yeah, definitely was there for the taking at the end, but I'm trying to look at it glass half full. The team fought back hard from 11 points down or w/e in a game where they didn't have much firepower. That turnaround shot by brunson was a backbreaker, but also a very makeable shot for him. I'm watching the replay right now and he got a clean look from about 9 feet away. And if you watch the replay, you'll see that everyone else was guarded pretty closely and there was no easy pass to be made.

Not the best shot, but it was a solid look and I trust him after all he's done for us. If he had made it, we'd be calling him a hero.

If it were an absolutely terrible shot, then I'd be angry. But he got within 10 feet and got a clean look off. 29/8 on the game in 42 mins where he was the #1 option. I'm not gonna hate on these guys when they are clearly giving it their all shorthanded.

Take a look at the box score...0 points from deuce and sims, 3 from kolek who played 6 minutes. We had 5 guys tonight against 9 on the road. We fell apart because they were gassed for sure. I'm not gonna hate when they're playing that hard.

All my bad feelings are confined to this one game. I agree the overall things will improve. We'll be getting a ton of bench depth in the next several months, and the players will continue to learn to play with each other. Thibs will eventually bench Sims for Huk, etc...

I hope so man. We need a big, and at the very least, Cam Payne needs to get healthy. We need at least one more body that can eat up some minutes. Cam can play 10-15 mins and not kill us. I agree we didn't play our best down the stretch when it was needed most, but I think that was mostly just fatigue...or at least I hope so .

[RHODEY]

yeah, definitely was there for the taking at the end, but I'm trying to look at it glass half full. The team fought back hard from 11 points down or w/e in a game where they didn't have much firepower. That turnaround shot by brunson was a backbreaker, but also a very makeable shot for him. I'm watching the replay right now and he got a clean look from about 9 feet away. And if you watch the replay, you'll see that everyone else was guarded pretty closely and there was no easy pass to be made.

Not the best shot, but it was a solid look and I trust him after all he's done for us. If he had made it, we'd be calling him a hero.

If it were an absolutely terrible shot, then I'd be angry. But he got within 10 feet and got a clean look off. 29/8 on the game in 42 mins where he was the #1 option. I'm not gonna hate on these guys when they are clearly giving it their all shorthanded.

Take a look at the box score...0 points from deuce and sims, 3 from kolek who played 6 minutes. We had 5 guys tonight against 9 on the road. We fell apart because they were gassed for sure. I'm not gonna hate when they're playing that hard.

All my bad feelings are confined to this one game. I agree the overall things will improve. We'll be getting a ton of bench depth in the next several months, and the players will continue to learn to play with each other. Thibs will eventually bench Sims for Huk, etc...

I hope so man. We need a big, and at the very least, Cam Payne needs to get healthy. We need at least one more body that can eat up some minutes. Cam can play 10-15 mins and not kill us. I agree we didn't play our best down the stretch when it was needed most, but I think that was mostly just fatigue...or at least I hope so .

Basically we need Precoius short term and Mitch long term. We'll be getting those 2 things...Im cool for now.

[ctorres]

Knicks have 6 really good players on the team that are difference makers. Our 5 starters and McBride.

McBride had an off night against the Rockets. I'm hoping it was a fluke and not that he's playing hurt. He was lights out from three the first 4 games, but he has been dreadful the last 2 games from beyond the arc.

We need a 7th and 8th player at least.

Mitch would be one of them but he's out.

Achiuwa is another but he's hurt too. He'd fit in fine in the rotation backing up OG and Mikal.

Kolek could be one of them but he still has to earn his minutes. He is getting those 5 minute spurts of playing time at least.

This could be Payne's last NBA season. He can't afford to be pulling his hamstring when he's merely playing 15 or so minutes per game.

Sims ain't it, but Hukporti hasn't beat him for his spot yet and there are still team politics at play. Sims has the advantage of being in his 4th season with the Knicks. Hukporti probably won't get minutes unless Sims gets hurt or traded.

[aggo]

Knicks have 6 really good players on the team that are difference makers. Our 5 starters and McBride.

McBride had an off night against the Rockets. I'm hoping it was a fluke and not that he's playing hurt. He was lights out from three the first 4 games, but he has been dreadful the last 2 games from beyond the arc.

We need a 7th and 8th player at least.

Mitch would be one of them but he's out.

Achiuwa is another but he's hurt too. He'd fit in fine in the rotation backing up OG and Mikal.

Kolek could be one of them but he still has to earn his minutes. He is getting those 5 minute spurts of playing time at least.

This could be Payne's last NBA season. He can't afford to be pulling his hamstring when he's merely playing 15 or so minutes per game.

Sims ain't it, but Hukporti hasn't beat him for his spot yet and there are still team politics at play. Sims has the advantage of being in his 4th season with the Knicks. Hukporti probably won't get minutes unless Sims gets hurt or traded.

when you boil it down


not having mitch playing hurts. not that mitch is any good-- he isn't.


but your point is factual. we probably lost and will lose a lot of games like last night on the margin where our 7th and 8th best player simply dont exist.


mitch for even someone gross, even though the salaries dont match, like mitch for Tobias Harris-like player is what we need. we need someone better than payne. ironically, a bruce brown type player who even might be "net negative" on all metrics, similar to bojan for us last year, but just a dude that can eat up minutes and score.

[RHODEY]

Knicks have 6 really good players on the team that are difference makers. Our 5 starters and McBride.

McBride had an off night against the Rockets. I'm hoping it was a fluke and not that he's playing hurt. He was lights out from three the first 4 games, but he has been dreadful the last 2 games from beyond the arc.

We need a 7th and 8th player at least.

Mitch would be one of them but he's out.

Achiuwa is another but he's hurt too. He'd fit in fine in the rotation backing up OG and Mikal.

Kolek could be one of them but he still has to earn his minutes. He is getting those 5 minute spurts of playing time at least.

This could be Payne's last NBA season. He can't afford to be pulling his hamstring when he's merely playing 15 or so minutes per game.

Sims ain't it, but Hukporti hasn't beat him for his spot yet and there are still team politics at play. Sims has the advantage of being in his 4th season with the Knicks. Hukporti probably won't get minutes unless Sims gets hurt or traded.

Could be Sims last season.

[RHODEY]

Knicks have 6 really good players on the team that are difference makers. Our 5 starters and McBride.

McBride had an off night against the Rockets. I'm hoping it was a fluke and not that he's playing hurt. He was lights out from three the first 4 games, but he has been dreadful the last 2 games from beyond the arc.

We need a 7th and 8th player at least.

Mitch would be one of them but he's out.

Achiuwa is another but he's hurt too. He'd fit in fine in the rotation backing up OG and Mikal.

Kolek could be one of them but he still has to earn his minutes. He is getting those 5 minute spurts of playing time at least.

This could be Payne's last NBA season. He can't afford to be pulling his hamstring when he's merely playing 15 or so minutes per game.

Sims ain't it, but Hukporti hasn't beat him for his spot yet and there are still team politics at play. Sims has the advantage of being in his 4th season with the Knicks. Hukporti probably won't get minutes unless Sims gets hurt or traded.

when you boil it down


not having mitch playing hurts. not that mitch is any good-- he isn't.


but your point is factual. we probably lost and will lose a lot of games like last night on the margin where our 7th and 8th best player simply dont exist.


mitch for even someone gross, even though the salaries dont match, like mitch for Tobias Harris-like player is what we need. we need someone better than payne. ironically, a bruce brown type player who even might be "net negative" on all metrics, similar to bojan for us last year, but just a dude that can eat up minutes and score.

So not having a playing who "Isn't very good" hurts?...Interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned not having a player that isn't very good (like Sims) should be pain free.

[aggo]

Knicks have 6 really good players on the team that are difference makers. Our 5 starters and McBride.

McBride had an off night against the Rockets. I'm hoping it was a fluke and not that he's playing hurt. He was lights out from three the first 4 games, but he has been dreadful the last 2 games from beyond the arc.

We need a 7th and 8th player at least.

Mitch would be one of them but he's out.

Achiuwa is another but he's hurt too. He'd fit in fine in the rotation backing up OG and Mikal.

Kolek could be one of them but he still has to earn his minutes. He is getting those 5 minute spurts of playing time at least.

This could be Payne's last NBA season. He can't afford to be pulling his hamstring when he's merely playing 15 or so minutes per game.

Sims ain't it, but Hukporti hasn't beat him for his spot yet and there are still team politics at play. Sims has the advantage of being in his 4th season with the Knicks. Hukporti probably won't get minutes unless Sims gets hurt or traded.

when you boil it down


not having mitch playing hurts. not that mitch is any good-- he isn't.


but your point is factual. we probably lost and will lose a lot of games like last night on the margin where our 7th and 8th best player simply dont exist.


mitch for even someone gross, even though the salaries dont match, like mitch for Tobias Harris-like player is what we need. we need someone better than payne. ironically, a bruce brown type player who even might be "net negative" on all metrics, similar to bojan for us last year, but just a dude that can eat up minutes and score.

So not having a playing who "Isn't very good" hurts?...Interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned not having a player that isn't very good (like Sims) should be pain free.

yeah because think about it like this

sims level player is worth -1000 rating
payne is worth -500 rating
mitch is like a -200 rating
Tobias Harris-bruce brown is -75 rating



basically they suck. all the guys listed above suck.

but they suck at varying degrees where if you play a guy thats somewhat negative he doesnt suck so much that he actively hurts ur win % on the floor

[RHODEY]

when you boil it down


not having mitch playing hurts. not that mitch is any good-- he isn't.


but your point is factual. we probably lost and will lose a lot of games like last night on the margin where our 7th and 8th best player simply dont exist.


mitch for even someone gross, even though the salaries dont match, like mitch for Tobias Harris-like player is what we need. we need someone better than payne. ironically, a bruce brown type player who even might be "net negative" on all metrics, similar to bojan for us last year, but just a dude that can eat up minutes and score.

So not having a playing who "Isn't very good" hurts?...Interesting. Because as far as I'm concerned not having a player that isn't very good (like Sims) should be pain free.

yeah because think about it like this

sims level player is worth -1000 rating
payne is worth -500 rating
mitch is like a -200 rating
Tobias Harris-bruce brown is -75 rating



basically they suck. all the guys listed above suck.

but they suck at varying degrees where if you play a guy thats somewhat negative he doesnt suck so much that he actively hurts ur win % on the floor

OK gotcha

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[thebuzzardman]

it's probably been posted already but it's a point worth repeating -



i understand our bench sucks and some guys are hurt but there are 29 other teams, many of which also have short benches who have been mired w/ injury - why is it that only the knicks run a 7.5 man rotation (again)

i'm honestly just burned out on this kind of shortsighted desperation w/ thibs - he will forever be the man he was 20+ years ago and to think anything otherwise is nothing short of delusion

This is what terrorism looks like, couple that with the low amount of threes we take and Thibs is Bin Laden of the NBA.

Osama Thibs Laden