are the Knicks LEGIT contenders?!

RB34 · Post #721 » by **RB34** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 7:44 pm

Moose wrote:
KazuoOda wrote:Traded away the heart and soul of this team. 2nd round exit at best.

Who was the heart and soul?

Both of them bring a level of physicality and grit that KAT severely lacks.

JujitsuFlip · Post #722 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 8:08 pm

Moose wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:KAT made the Knicks defense worse...who could have foreseen that?

Read on Twitter
Would Randle have did better? Because the whispers prior to the trade were Randle was going to start at the 5. I doubt he would've.

iHart left and Mitch is hurt. Precious as well, so they can't even experiment with him at the 5 and Towns at the 4.

I don't think it's all that surprising, but it needs to be solved.

Randle is on the Wolves, so gonna be mighty difficult to do that experiment lol

Moose · Post #723 » by **Moose** » Thu Nov 7, 2024 8:20 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
Moose wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Would Randle have did better? Because the whispers prior to the trade were Randle was going to start at the 5. I doubt he would've.

iHart left and Mitch is hurt. Precious as well, so they can't even experiment with him at the 5 and Towns at the 4.

I don't think it's all that surprising, but it needs to be solved.
Randle is on the Wolves, so gonna be mighty difficult to do that experiment lol

I was talking about Precious...

ConSarnit · Post #724 » by **ConSarnit** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 4:45 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:
Moose wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Would Randle have did better? Because the whispers prior to the trade were Randle was going to start at the 5. I doubt he would've.

iHart left and Mitch is hurt. Precious as well, so they can't even experiment with him at the 5 and Towns at the 4.

I don't think it's all that surprising, but it needs to be solved.
Randle is on the Wolves, so gonna be mighty difficult to do that experiment lol

Players are shooting 78% at the rim vs Towns (basically when Towns is near the rim). Dunc’d On podcast has a stat that showed that players are 27/30 on shots Towns directly contested. Players are shooting 90% on shots Towns contested.

Players currently defending the rim more frequently and with a better dfg% than Towns: Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield.

Towns has been absolutely horrendous protecting the rim this season.

(Randle currently has a rim dfg% of 59%. An ok but not amazing number. This number still blows Towns out of the water)

JujitsuFlip · Post #725 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 11:22 am

ConSarnit wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
Moose wrote:
iHart left and Mitch is hurt. Precious as well, so they can't even experiment with him at the 5 and Towns at the 4.

I don't think it's all that surprising, but it needs to be solved.
Randle is on the Wolves, so gonna be mighty difficult to do that experiment lol

Players are shooting 78% at the rim vs Towns (basically when Towns is near the rim). Dunc’d On podcast has a stat that showed that players are 27/30 on shots Towns directly contested. Players are shooting 90% on shots Towns contested.

Players currently defending the rim more frequently and with a better dfg% than Towns: Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield.

Towns has been absolutely horrendous protecting the rim this season.

(Randle currently has a rim dfg% of 59%. An ok but not amazing number. This number still blows Towns out of the water)

You're telling me guys like Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield have defended more shot attempts at the rim than KAT in this young season?

If so, I'd say KAT isn't the guy being tasked to defend the rim OR the stat isn't super reliable. All of those guys are guards, half with reputations as poor defenders.

bledredwine · Post #726 » by **bledredwine** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 11:39 am

Question is, will Brunson have a crazy playoffs like he did last year? Last year I said no for this year, but I’m interested.

R-DAWG · Post #727 » by **R-DAWG** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 11:50 am

Through seven games, this Knicks roster has 3 noticeable issues

1) Rim protection
2) Depth
3) Secondary ball handling/shot creation

The first two things will be smoothed out when Mitchell Robinson and Achiwa get back. Any team missing their starting and backup center at the some time will be feeling depth issues.

The third thing was overlooked over the summer and leads to the question of the long term fit of Bridges/Anunoby. If you play them with another ball handler you sacrifice rim protection.

For those of us who hated the Bridges trade this was our biggest fear. An all in team that isn’t a contender.

ConSarnit · Post #728 » by **ConSarnit** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 4:12 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Randle is on the Wolves, so gonna be mighty difficult to do that experiment lol

Players are shooting 78% at the rim vs Towns (basically when Towns is near the rim). Dunc’d On podcast has a stat that showed that players are 27/30 on shots Towns directly contested. Players are shooting 90% on shots Towns contested.

Players currently defending the rim more frequently and with a better dfg% than Towns: Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield.

Towns has been absolutely horrendous protecting the rim this season.

(Randle currently has a rim dfg% of 59%. An ok but not amazing number. This number still blows Towns out of the water)
You're telling me guys like Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield have defended more shot attempts at the rim than KAT in this young season?

If so, I'd say KAT isn't the guy being tasked to defend the rim OR the stat isn't super reliable. All of those guys are guards, half with reputations as poor defenders.

KAT is defending an extremely low frequency of shots at the rim for a C so that's why he is in the range with some guards (rim DFGA per game). Now, KAT might not be tasked with defending the rim but on the shots that he has tried to defend the rim he is providing zero resistance. He has defended the 2nd most rim attempts on the Knicks this season. However you want to slice it when KAT is around the rim teams are having a free for all.

sol537 · Post #729 » by **sol537** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 4:32 pm

Right now... the Knicks are not contenders. Ask me again in about 2 months...

brackdan70 · Post #730 » by **brackdan70** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 4:43 pm

I may have personally had Towns rated way too high as a player. It’s early but this isn’t looking great. His numbers are decent but the gell isn’t really happening.

JujitsuFlip · Post #731 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 8:16 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
Players are shooting 78% at the rim vs Towns (basically when Towns is near the rim). Dunc’d On podcast has a stat that showed that players are 27/30 on shots Towns directly contested. Players are shooting 90% on shots Towns contested.

Players currently defending the rim more frequently and with a better dfg% than Towns: Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield.

Towns has been absolutely horrendous protecting the rim this season.

(Randle currently has a rim dfg% of 59%. An ok but not amazing number. This number still blows Towns out of the water)
You're telling me guys like Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield have defended more shot attempts at the rim than KAT in this young season?

If so, I'd say KAT isn't the guy being tasked to defend the rim OR the stat isn't super reliable. All of those guys are guards, half with reputations as poor defenders.

KAT is defending an extremely low frequency of shots at the rim for a C so that's why he is in the range with some guards (rim DFGA per game). Now, KAT might not be tasked with defending the rim but on the shots that he has tried to defend the rim he is providing zero resistance. He has defended the 2nd most rim attempts on the Knicks this season. However you want to slice it when KAT is around the rim teams are having a free for all.

Which shouldn't be too shocking to anyone, he wasn't brought to the Knicks to defend the rim.

KingFox · Post #732 » by **KingFox** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 10:59 pm

Knicks need to get healthy before people get too down on them. It's hard enough throwing a new roster together, but, making that huge trade on media day makes things even harder + the injuries

cgf · Post #733 » by **cgf** » Fri Nov 8, 2024 11:31 pm

This team is missing its starting & backup centers right now. Towns should be our PF with Sims battling Hukporti for the 3C role…instead those are our only rim protectors.

cgf · Post #734 » by **cgf** » Sat Nov 9, 2024 6:35 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
ConSarnit wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:You're telling me guys like Josh Giddey, Coby White, Tyrese Maxey and Buddy Hield have defended more shot attempts at the rim than KAT in this young season?

If so, I'd say KAT isn't the guy being tasked to defend the rim OR the stat isn't super reliable. All of those guys are guards, half with reputations as poor defenders.

KAT is defending an extremely low frequency of shots at the rim for a C so that's why he is in the range with some guards (rim DFGA per game). Now, KAT might not be tasked with defending the rim but on the shots that he has tried to defend the rim he is providing zero resistance. He has defended the 2nd most rim attempts on the Knicks this season. However you want to slice it when KAT is around the rim teams are having a free for all.
Which shouldn't be too shocking to anyone, he wasn't brought to the Knicks to defend the rim.

Yeah. Thibs has been a center whisperer, so no harm in seeing if he can't teach Karl to protect the rim without fouling like crazy...or develop Sims/Hukporti...while we don't have other options, but ultimately this team is likely to start Brunson - Bridges - Anunoby - Towns - Robinson, with Achiuwa playing big minutes off the bench.

I also won't be surprised if our FO doesn't loop back with Utah to swap Dadiet + Sims + WSH FRP for Kessler...if we don't need those assets for another big wing instead / Hukporti doesn't win minutes even when we're healthy. Our defense would look very different with Robinson / Kessler / Achiuwa as the last line of defense.

JujitsuFlip · Post #735 » by **JujitsuFlip** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:41 am

Are we positive Thibs reputation on running guys into the ground isn't valid? These guys are gonna be exhausted come April.

DaGawd · Post #736 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:43 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:Are we positive Thibs reputation on running guys into the ground isn't valid? These guys are gonna be exhausted come April.

very valid at the moment.. he’s bugging running this 7 man rotation in November

Celts17Pride · Post #737 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:46 am

Thibs with basically a 6 man rotation in Game 9 of the season. There is a surprise!! :lol:

Moose · Post #738 » by **Moose** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:46 am

JujitsuFlip wrote:Are we positive Thibs reputation on running guys into the ground isn't valid? These guys are gonna be exhausted come April.

Agreed. Unacceptable at this point of the season. You have to trust your team more.

doogie_hauser · Post #739 » by **doogie_hauser** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 2:47 am

Mikal Bridges being out of sorts doesn't help, but as Bill Simmons mentioned last week, is Thibs actually utilising him properly in their offence.

Precious is no world beater but he will be decent help off the bench once he returns

DaGawd · Post #740 » by **DaGawd** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:01 am

doogie_hauser wrote:Mikal Bridges being out of sorts doesn't help, but as Bill Simmons mentioned last week, is Thibs actually utilising him properly in their offence.

Precious is no world beater but he will be decent help off the bench once he returns

bridges offense hasn’t been too bad.. defensively tho he’s been trash af… he really hasn’t played defense since he left phoenix