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I noticed we did a lot more actions with him initiating today. That's a good thing imo.
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Post#62 » by BKlutch » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:18 am

isiah_thomas wrote:Start Kolek and make Brunson the sixth man

Enjoy what you see and don't get carried away. He has a great future, though.
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Sorry, Tomato Boy. He wasn't that great in the preseason and he's not that bad now. He's a 22 year old rookie with size, strength, mobility, and a midrange shot. Give him some time -- we're talking about the 3rd 5 on the team here.

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Post#64 » by j4remi » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:20 am

This was easily the most North/South basketball that this roster has played so far. Damn near every single offensive set started with feet in the paint and quick pass to the open man. That's a lot of credit to Brunson for making faster decisions, but also to the wings for making extra passes and attacking the paint as well.

KAT is really something. We're not too far out from Brunson/KAT being unstoppable, I really believe that. You HAVE to send help to stop either guy.
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Post#65 » by BKlutch » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:24 am

j4remi wrote:This was easily the most North/South basketball that this roster has played so far. Damn near every single offensive set started with feet in the paint and quick pass to the open man. That's a lot of credit to Brunson for making faster decisions, but also to the wings for making extra passes and attacking the paint as well.

KAT is really something. We're not too far out from Brunson/KAT being unstoppable, I really believe that. You HAVE to send help to stop either guy.

Even Hart can shoot when he's not defended. Good times ahead!
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Post#66 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:26 am

Did Bridges still play defense like he's saving his energy for the offensive end?
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Post#67 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:26 am

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isiah_thomas wrote:Start Kolek and make Brunson the sixth man

Enjoy what you see and don't get carried away. He has a great future, though.


Why does Thibs play him off the ball most of the time he's in the game, when Deuce kind of sucks as a PG?

Thibs is weird.
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Post#68 » by Capn'O » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:28 am

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isiah_thomas wrote:Start Kolek and make Brunson the sixth man

Enjoy what you see and don't get carried away. He has a great future, though.


Why does Thibs play him off the ball most of the time he's in the game, when Deuce kind of sucks as a PG?

Thibs is weird.


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isiah_thomas wrote:Start Kolek and make Brunson the sixth man

Enjoy what you see and don't get carried away. He has a great future, though.


Why does Thibs play him off the ball most of the time he's in the game, when Deuce kind of sucks as a PG?

Thibs is weird learning disabled.


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Post#70 » by Tomato Sauce » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:31 am

BKlutch wrote:Cool, Tomato. Glad you enjoyed the game.


Sweet, Klutch. I’m also quite thrilled you also enjoyed the game tonight.
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Post#71 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:32 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
BKlutch wrote:
isiah_thomas wrote:Start Kolek and make Brunson the sixth man

Enjoy what you see and don't get carried away. He has a great future, though.


Why does Thibs play him off the ball most of the time he's in the game, when Deuce kind of sucks as a PG?

Thibs is weird.

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Post#72 » by Parraknick » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:35 am

j4remi wrote:This was easily the most North/South basketball that this roster has played so far. Damn near every single offensive set started with feet in the paint and quick pass to the open man. That's a lot of credit to Brunson for making faster decisions, but also to the wings for making extra passes and attacking the paint as well.

KAT is really something. We're not too far out from Brunson/KAT being unstoppable, I really believe that. You HAVE to send help to stop either guy.


Agreed - but - Milwaukee made it easy for us tonight. They had next to no energy. But I’m in agreement with your overall sentiment
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Post#73 » by TKKnicks1 » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:47 am

KAT monster game but let's give it up for JB adjusting to what the team needs and not what he wants. 9 assists with 0 turnovers. He was finding KAT early in those PnRs that opened the lanes up for solid shots.

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Post#74 » by SelbyCobra » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:49 am

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SelbyCobra wrote:The thing with Towns is that it's so obvious that there's a way to use him and be significantly better/more dangerous than the team was last year - there is nothing surprising about what KAT does on nights like tonight; he is a guy who is historically efficient for nearly a decade in the NBA now. He has the 8th highest TS% of any player in the history of basketball. When you look at only guys who are primary scorers (let's say 20 PPG types), he is 3rd all-time. It goes Jokic, Steph, KAT. We're talking HOF, best of the best offensive efficiency. He's close to a 50/40/90 guy at 7 feet tall.

His defense obviously leaves a lot to be desired, but if you bring this type of historically efficient offensive player into an already established team structure and hierarchy, led by a defense-scheming-and-obsessed head coach who has two of the best wing defenders in the starting lineup and other defensive pieces, there's no need to have KAT's defensive deficiencies be crippling. The man was not brought in to be a multi-dimensional savior and centerpiece, he was brought in to be the historically efficient 7 foot scorer that he's always been. 

If you can't figure out how to properly integrate a level of elite offense that puts him amongst the all-time greats, you should be fired. If you can't figure out how to properly cover for that level of poor defense when you have already established pieces AND you're a defensive wizard coach, you should be fired. 

Thibs has been handed the keys to a Ferrari. If he tries to use it as a minivan around town, shaking his head about gas mileage and a lack of trunk space, take the keys back and find someone who knows what a Ferrari is, budgets for fuel, and opens that monster up on the f*cking highway. I mean DAMN, it's all right there in black and white. Tighten this isht up or get out the way, man.


I mean, I don't disagree with this but Towns actually has both the highest PER and REB% of his career and second highest TS% of his career so far and we just blew the doors off the Bucks. We've seen flashes of the Ferarri so I'm not out on Thibs yet to get it together. He tends to be modular about how he develops things and we haven't even seen the team with the real defensive anchors back.


Absolutely, I didn't post that as a call to fire Thibs (even though I personally believe it probably needs to happen at some point), but instead to point out that there's no reason at all for this team not to be one of the best in the league - the talent is so obviously there.

For me, if there are struggles or failure, I put it in the hands of those coaching. KAT is such an obvious NBA cheat code on the offensive side of the ball that the only way for me to see this flat out "failing", short of major injury, is comically faulty coaching philosophy about how the players are used.

When we see stretches of putting players in bad defensive positions on one end, and clunky/archaic/unimaginative offense on the other, I don't think that players have lost it, or gotten figured out, or aren't what we thought. I think that we got a Ferrari being used like a grocery getter, or a Bugatti being dismissed because it's uncomfortable on a 3 day road trip.

It's why I said the other day I'm not even a little worried about this team being elite. It's just frustrating at times when we're going 55 in the right lane for long stretches - it's so freaking blatant what the potential of this team is, but that potential needs to be harnessed rather than trying to break it into roles that it isn't best suited for.
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Post#75 » by sol537 » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:52 am

I need Brunson to be a 20pt 10ast type of guy this year. Manage the game, pick his spots, get his weapons going on offense so they fight hard on defense. A more balanced attack is harder to stop. That’s where we could shine.
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Post#76 » by Capn'O » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:54 am

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SelbyCobra wrote:The thing with Towns is that it's so obvious that there's a way to use him and be significantly better/more dangerous than the team was last year - there is nothing surprising about what KAT does on nights like tonight; he is a guy who is historically efficient for nearly a decade in the NBA now. He has the 8th highest TS% of any player in the history of basketball. When you look at only guys who are primary scorers (let's say 20 PPG types), he is 3rd all-time. It goes Jokic, Steph, KAT. We're talking HOF, best of the best offensive efficiency. He's close to a 50/40/90 guy at 7 feet tall.

His defense obviously leaves a lot to be desired, but if you bring this type of historically efficient offensive player into an already established team structure and hierarchy, led by a defense-scheming-and-obsessed head coach who has two of the best wing defenders in the starting lineup and other defensive pieces, there's no need to have KAT's defensive deficiencies be crippling. The man was not brought in to be a multi-dimensional savior and centerpiece, he was brought in to be the historically efficient 7 foot scorer that he's always been. 

If you can't figure out how to properly integrate a level of elite offense that puts him amongst the all-time greats, you should be fired. If you can't figure out how to properly cover for that level of poor defense when you have already established pieces AND you're a defensive wizard coach, you should be fired. 

Thibs has been handed the keys to a Ferrari. If he tries to use it as a minivan around town, shaking his head about gas mileage and a lack of trunk space, take the keys back and find someone who knows what a Ferrari is, budgets for fuel, and opens that monster up on the f*cking highway. I mean DAMN, it's all right there in black and white. Tighten this isht up or get out the way, man.


I mean, I don't disagree with this but Towns actually has both the highest PER and REB% of his career and second highest TS% of his career so far and we just blew the doors off the Bucks. We've seen flashes of the Ferarri so I'm not out on Thibs yet to get it together. He tends to be modular about how he develops things and we haven't even seen the team with the real defensive anchors back.


Absolutely, I didn't post that as a call to fire Thibs (even though I personally believe it probably needs to happen at some point), but instead to point out that there's no reason at all for this team not to be one of the best in the league - the talent is so obviously there.

For me, if there are struggles or failure, I put it in the hands of those coaching. KAT is such an obvious NBA cheat code on the offensive side of the ball that the only way for me to see this flat out "failing", short of major injury, is comically faulty coaching philosophy about how the players are used.

When we see stretches of putting players in bad defensive positions on one end, and clunky/archaic/unimaginative offense on the other, I don't think that players have lost it, or gotten figured out, or aren't what we thought. I think that we got a Ferrari being used like a grocery getter, or a Bugatti being dismissed because it's uncomfortable on a 3 day road trip.

It's why I said the other day I'm not even a little worried about this team being elite. It's just frustrating at times when we're going 55 in the right lane for long stretches - it's so freaking blatant what the potential of this team is, but that potential needs to be harnessed rather than trying to break it into roles that it isn't best suited for.


Got it. Same page then. I think Thibs gets at least the year unless we're still middling around sometime in Feb. But there's a good chance he's not the final architect.
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j4remi wrote:This was easily the most North/South basketball that this roster has played so far. Damn near every single offensive set started with feet in the paint and quick pass to the open man. That's a lot of credit to Brunson for making faster decisions, but also to the wings for making extra passes and attacking the paint as well.

KAT is really something. We're not too far out from Brunson/KAT being unstoppable, I really believe that. You HAVE to send help to stop either guy.


Agreed - but - Milwaukee made it easy for us tonight. They had next to no energy. But I’m in agreement with your overall sentiment

Second game for a back to back against a team that isn't functioning well. I don't think we can deduce much from this.
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Post#79 » by Nostrand Ave » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:07 am

SelbyCobra wrote:The thing with Towns is that it's so obvious that there's a way to use him and be significantly better/more dangerous than the team was last year - there is nothing surprising about what KAT does on nights like tonight; he is a guy who is historically efficient for nearly a decade in the NBA now. He has the 8th highest TS% of any player in the history of basketball. When you look at only guys who are primary scorers (let's say 20 PPG types), he is 3rd all-time. It goes Jokic, Steph, KAT. We're talking HOF, best of the best offensive efficiency. He's close to a 50/40/90 guy at 7 feet tall.

His defense obviously leaves a lot to be desired, but if you bring this type of historically efficient offensive player into an already established team structure and hierarchy, led by a defense-scheming-and-obsessed head coach who has two of the best wing defenders in the starting lineup and other defensive pieces, there's no need to have KAT's defensive deficiencies be crippling. The man was not brought in to be a multi-dimensional savior and centerpiece, he was brought in to be the historically efficient 7 foot scorer that he's always been. 

If you can't figure out how to properly integrate a level of elite offense that puts him amongst the all-time greats, you should be fired. If you can't figure out how to properly cover for that level of poor defense when you have already established pieces AND you're a defensive wizard coach, you should be fired. 

Thibs has been handed the keys to a Ferrari. If he tries to use it as a minivan around town, shaking his head about gas mileage and a lack of trunk space, take the keys back and find someone who knows what a Ferrari is, budgets for fuel, and opens that monster up on the f*cking highway. I mean DAMN, it's all right there in black and white. Tighten this isht up or get out the way, man.



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I agree but do you keep him at center? or do you eventually move him to the 4? Because Bridges and OG cant help KAT rim protect.
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Post#80 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:28 am

I don't want to hear about trading for Giannis, how anyone can watch that man not screen for Dame in 2 years, and then see KAT doing it for Brunson in 8 games.....yeah hard pass.

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