Former Raptor discussion thread 3.0

[Bank Shot]

The ex Rap that is probably struggling the most right now is Nurse. This Philly team is hopeless. Ya, they're down a bunch of guys but even teams like the Wizards and Blazers have been more competitive.

[Los_29]

Aside from Pascal and Norm, it’s been a rough year for former Raptors. GTJ has had a horrible start, Fred’s shot has failed him and OG has been underwhelming and his team has disappointed. Hopefully they can get it going.

OG is averaging 14 ppg and shooting 43% from 3. Playing his usual all world defense, such as 3-4 steals tonight and guarding Giannis and Dame at different times. To go with 14 points 6 boards 5 assists. The team has yet to really jell with all the new parts but they've shown flashes of what they can be. Hardly underwhelming.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/sports/og-anunoby-proving-to-be-knicks-keystone-on-defense/

Team was off to a 3-4 start and haven’t looked good at all.

I said he’s been underwhelming because he’s getting paid over 200 million dollars. Knicks fans want him to produce more given the money they are paying him. I don’t blame them.

[Brinbe]

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Glad to see NormGod killing it. That last run truly fell apart when they dealt him.

[WaltFrazier]

Aside from Pascal and Norm, it’s been a rough year for former Raptors. GTJ has had a horrible start, Fred’s shot has failed him and OG has been underwhelming and his team has disappointed. Hopefully they can get it going.

OG is averaging 14 ppg and shooting 43% from 3. Playing his usual all world defense, such as 3-4 steals tonight and guarding Giannis and Dame at different times. To go with 14 points 6 boards 5 assists. The team has yet to really jell with all the new parts but they've shown flashes of what they can be. Hardly underwhelming.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/sports/og-anunoby-proving-to-be-knicks-keystone-on-defense/

Team was off to a 3-4 start and haven’t looked good at all.

I said he’s been underwhelming because he’s getting paid over 200 million dollars. Knicks fans want him to produce more given the money they are paying him. I don’t blame them.

I'm not seeing much of that on Knicks board. You must be in tune with other Knicks fans. Or else just presuming. I didn't know fan opinions were important to you.

The money is what it is. He wasn't supposed to turn into a 25 ppg scorer. He's doing his two way thing at a high level. The team has 4 good wins and 4 not so good losses. I think they'll get better. Precious returning will help their depth, and Robinson's return later will add a new dimension of rebounding and defense.

But I'll save you from saying this: injuries could derail the whole thing. I know that.

[Los_29]

OG is averaging 14 ppg and shooting 43% from 3. Playing his usual all world defense, such as 3-4 steals tonight and guarding Giannis and Dame at different times. To go with 14 points 6 boards 5 assists. The team has yet to really jell with all the new parts but they've shown flashes of what they can be. Hardly underwhelming.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/02/sports/og-anunoby-proving-to-be-knicks-keystone-on-defense/

Team was off to a 3-4 start and haven’t looked good at all.

I said he’s been underwhelming because he’s getting paid over 200 million dollars. Knicks fans want him to produce more given the money they are paying him. I don’t blame them.

I'm not seeing much of that on Knicks board. You must be in tune with other Knicks fans. Or else just presuming. I didn't know fan opinions were important to you.

The money is what it is. He wasn't supposed to turn into a 25 ppg scorer. He's doing his two way thing at a high level. The team has 4 good wins and 4 not so good losses. I think they'll get better. Precious returning will help their depth, and Robinson's return later will add a new dimension of rebounding and defense.

But I'll save you from saying this: injuries could derail the whole thing. I know that.

Him staying healthy is very important. He’s had a huge problem his whole career with that. He will also have to dig deep and play hurt in the playoffs. They got a talented team. They’ve invested a lot and with no picks in the near future, the time is now.

[RoteSchroder]

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[PD28]

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Glad to see NormGod killing it. That last run truly fell apart when they dealt him.

Masai's worst asset loss. Norman keeps improving while Trent looks like he might not get another contract.

[WaltFrazier]

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Glad to see NormGod killing it. That last run truly fell apart when they dealt him.

Masai's worst asset loss. Norman keeps improving while Trent looks like he might not get another contract.

But but but it made sense at the time to trade for a younger player.

[WaltFrazier]

OG defense vs Bucks last night. Guarding Giannis and Dame at different times.

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That video has been posted and reposted 4-5 times on the Knicks postgame thread today, all with high praise comments. They're not finding him too underwhelming I guess.

[Duffman100]

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Glad to see NormGod killing it. That last run truly fell apart when they dealt him.

Masai's worst asset loss. Norman keeps improving while Trent looks like he might not get another contract.

But but but it made sense at the time to trade for a younger player.

Literally what the majority of this board wants to happen at all times. Trade the older players on our roster for picks or younger prospects.

The reasoning was sound it just didn't work out as some trades don't. Didn't change much long term for us.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

OG defense vs Bucks last night. Guarding Giannis and Dame at different times.

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That video has been posted and reposted 4-5 times on the Knicks postgame thread today, all with high praise comments. They're not finding him too underwhelming I guess.

that's fantastic defense; not worth 40M though.
if knicks are in a slump, KAT and OG will be the whipping boys unfortunately.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

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lmao. i like edey being a candian player and producing well and all that but i seriously doubt he'd be eyeing jv like that in a dark alley.

[Duffman100]

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lmao. i like edey being a candian player and producing well and all that but i seriously doubt he'd be eyeing jv like that in a dark alley.

Also felt like an overreaction

[Los_29]

OG defense vs Bucks last night. Guarding Giannis and Dame at different times.

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That video has been posted and reposted 4-5 times on the Knicks postgame thread today, all with high praise comments. They're not finding him too underwhelming I guess.

that's fantastic defense; not worth 40M though.
if knicks are in a slump, KAT and OG will be the whipping boys unfortunately.

Agreed. OG was on incredible contracts with us. Now he’s wildly overpaid. With that, comes high expectations. He needs to stay healthy and the team needs to make deep playoff runs.

[Brinbe]

Masai's worst asset loss. Norman keeps improving while Trent looks like he might not get another contract.

But but but it made sense at the time to trade for a younger player.

Literally what the majority of this board wants to happen at all times. Trade the older players on our roster for picks or younger prospects.

The reasoning was sound it just didn't work out as some trades don't. Didn't change much long term for us.

nah, plenty of people disliked that move at the time. not every trade/situation is the same. context always matters.

that team wasn't rebuilding, they just wanted to save some money. he was 27-years-old when they dealt him, not as if he was ancient.

[Duffman100]

But but but it made sense at the time to trade for a younger player.

Literally what the majority of this board wants to happen at all times. Trade the older players on our roster for picks or younger prospects.

The reasoning was sound it just didn't work out as some trades don't. Didn't change much long term for us.

nah, plenty of people disliked that move at the time. not every trade/situation is the same. context always matters.

that team wasn't rebuilding, they just wanted to save some money. he was 27-years-old when they dealt him, not as if he was ancient.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming sentiment was "good move, we got a younger player who will likely be cheaper and fits Scotties timeline better".

Sometimes when you trade and count on potential it doesn't work out.

If we trade Bruce Brown now for a younger prospect and that Brown starts contributing and younger prospect flames out, are we going to blast that trade?

[ATLTimekeeper]

Literally what the majority of this board wants to happen at all times. Trade the older players on our roster for picks or younger prospects.

The reasoning was sound it just didn't work out as some trades don't. Didn't change much long term for us.

nah, plenty of people disliked that move at the time. not every trade/situation is the same. context always matters.

that team wasn't rebuilding, they just wanted to save some money. he was 27-years-old when they dealt him, not as if he was ancient.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming sentiment was "good move, we got a younger player who will likely be cheaper and fits Scotties timeline better".

Sometimes when you trade and count on potential it doesn't work out.

If we trade Bruce Brown now for a younger prospect and that Brown starts contributing and younger prospect flames out, are we going to blast that trade?

What was frustrating about the Norm trade at the time was Zach Lowe said half the league bid on Norm and the return was a disgruntled young player that Portland couldn't come to terms with. To me, though I wanted us to re-sign Norm, I felt like the return was going to be better. The next few contracts was exactly that. Gary, his dad and Rich Paul all demanding more than the market allowed and the team settling on a hedge contract, and then eventually walking away entirely. To say it didn't work out is an understatement. It wasn't that Gary regressed as a player, or was unplayable. It was that he didn't fit the culture of the team, just as he didn't in Portland and was viewed as expendable. It was just bad homework by the Raptors, and a bad call to reject a guy who paid his dues and thrived in their system.

[ItsDanger]

The Trent transaction was a failure. Sometimes mistakes are made and Masai/Bobby definitely screwed this one up. In the end they got nothing.

They wanted a cheaper younger version of Norm but ended up paying something similar and was more inconsistent. I was for trading him for draft capital to get the rebuild started. But if this wasn't the start of a rebuild, I still don't get why they didn't keep him with the rest of the core.

Never overpay SGs, they're in high supply.

[Kingsway_fan]

Literally what the majority of this board wants to happen at all times. Trade the older players on our roster for picks or younger prospects.

The reasoning was sound it just didn't work out as some trades don't. Didn't change much long term for us.

nah, plenty of people disliked that move at the time. not every trade/situation is the same. context always matters.

that team wasn't rebuilding, they just wanted to save some money. he was 27-years-old when they dealt him, not as if he was ancient.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming sentiment was "good move, we got a younger player who will likely be cheaper and fits Scotties timeline better".

Sometimes when you trade and count on potential it doesn't work out.

If we trade Bruce Brown now for a younger prospect and that Brown starts contributing and younger prospect flames out, are we going to blast that trade?

Nope. Posted many times then that I thought it was a brutal move... but even worse than I imagined, since then. One of the worst in Franchise history....
You don't trade athletic good shooting TALENT THAT WANTS TO STAY IN TORONTO... huge mistake by Masai. Huge.

[Duffman100]

nah, plenty of people disliked that move at the time. not every trade/situation is the same. context always matters.

that team wasn't rebuilding, they just wanted to save some money. he was 27-years-old when they dealt him, not as if he was ancient.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming sentiment was "good move, we got a younger player who will likely be cheaper and fits Scotties timeline better".

Sometimes when you trade and count on potential it doesn't work out.

If we trade Bruce Brown now for a younger prospect and that Brown starts contributing and younger prospect flames out, are we going to blast that trade?

Nope. Posted many time then that I thought it was a brutal move... but even worse than I imagined since then.
You don't trade athletic good shooting TALENT THAT WANTS TO STAY IN TORONTO... huge mistake by Masai. Huge.

Right and you were massively against the Ochai deal... saying that was a Huge mistake.

Huge why ? You've said this many times and I've asked you never answer.

Do we win that Philly series if you replace Trent with Norm? Very unlikely.

Does our 41-41 season change? Nope.

We're likely in the exact same spot we're in now.