2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[contract]

Wonder if there’s a deal there with Golden State:

Heat trade
Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson

Warriors trade
Jonathon Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
Deanthony Melton
Kevon Looney
FRP and a swap

Heat get Kuminga to slot in at the 4. Wiggins is salary filler but can play a role. Melton and Looney are expirings for salary relief. Get some picks and swaps. Eh I dunno. It’s something. Butler ain’t getting any younger.

Golden State is winning and benefiting from their depth. They are not going to wreck what they have going for a breaking down 35 year old Jimmy.

[contract]

8 games in and Bam is still playing like ass. Did he turn 35 too?

The new offense's shot distribution is part of the problem. Our starting five is completely unbalanced: we've got two scorers who struggle on defense, a power forward who can't defend or shoot consistently, and one player just coasting. I won't be too hard on Bam since he's carrying a huge load on defense. But Rozier and Jovic have been awful on both ends of the floor. It's so frustrating.

I understand all that, and I understand Bam not scoring 20 ppg ... but this garbage efficiency needs to end today. He has a true shooting percentage of 46.4% which is trash for a big man. It's not good for anyone of any size at any position.

[twix2500]

Heat
Cameron Johnson
Jonas Valanciunas

Nets
Hayward Highsmith
Duncan Robinson

Wiz
Kevin Love
Josh Richardson
Thomas Bryant

PG: Rozier - Christopher - Smith - bring back Stevens
SG: Herro - Larsson - Burks
SF: Butler - Jaquez Jr
PF: C. Johnson - Jovic - K. Johnson
Ce: Adebayo - Valanciunas - Ware

[MettaWorldPanda]

8 games in and Bam is still playing like ass. Did he turn 35 too?

Had him working too much on making 3’s instead of just keeping to refining his mid which has become ass. The organization was so desperate with it’s internal improvement cause they can’t get chit done in the trade market due to lack if draft assets, bad contracts, and aging star player on essentially an expiring but not expiring due to player opt but wants extension making it hard to get a decent haul for him.

[MettaWorldPanda]

8 games in and Bam is still playing like ass. Did he turn 35 too?

The new offense's shot distribution is part of the problem. Our starting five is completely unbalanced: we've got two scorers who struggle on defense, a power forward who can't defend or shoot consistently, and one player just coasting. I won't be too hard on Bam since he's carrying a huge load on defense. But Rozier and Jovic have been awful on both ends of the floor. It's so frustrating.

I understand all that, and I understand Bam not scoring 20 ppg ... but this garbage efficiency needs to end today. He has a true shooting percentage of 46.4% which is trash for a big man. It's not good for anyone of any size at any position.

Spo needs to reset the new offense again and go back to what worked for Bam. The front office is washed and everything is backfiring against them cause they can’t admit ineptitude

[eddieheatfan]

Heat
Cameron Johnson
Jonas Valanciunas

Nets
Hayward Highsmith
Duncan Robinson

Wiz
Kevin Love
Josh Richardson
Thomas Bryant

PG: Rozier - Christopher - Smith - bring back Stevens
SG: Herro - Larsson - Burks
SF: Butler - Jaquez Jr
PF: C. Johnson - Jovic - K. Johnson
Ce: Adebayo - Valanciunas - Ware

are the wizards tanking this year?

[twix2500]

The new offense's shot distribution is part of the problem. Our starting five is completely unbalanced: we've got two scorers who struggle on defense, a power forward who can't defend or shoot consistently, and one player just coasting. I won't be too hard on Bam since he's carrying a huge load on defense. But Rozier and Jovic have been awful on both ends of the floor. It's so frustrating.

I understand all that, and I understand Bam not scoring 20 ppg ... but this garbage efficiency needs to end today. He has a true shooting percentage of 46.4% which is trash for a big man. It's not good for anyone of any size at any position.

Spo needs to reset the new offense again and go back to what worked for Bam. The front office is washed and everything is backfiring against them cause they can’t admit ineptitude

That offense sucked also. The only time that offense worked is with Duncan and Bam playing off each other. The offense in general hasnt been bad. It just needs to be great with this team and not have a bad third quarter. In order for it to be great, Bam, Butler and Rozier has to be good offensively

[MettaWorldPanda]

I understand all that, and I understand Bam not scoring 20 ppg ... but this garbage efficiency needs to end today. He has a true shooting percentage of 46.4% which is trash for a big man. It's not good for anyone of any size at any position.

Spo needs to reset the new offense again and go back to what worked for Bam. The front office is washed and everything is backfiring against them cause they can’t admit ineptitude

That offense sucked also. The only time that offense worked is with Duncan and Bam playing off each other. The offense in general hasnt been bad. It just needs to be great with this team and not have a bad third quarter. In order for it to be great, Bam, Butler and Rozier has to be good offensively

Kyle Lowry and Gabe Vincent dynamic is missed

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Spo is done with Niko Winslow-KZ Jovic

[twix2500]

Spo needs to reset the new offense again and go back to what worked for Bam. The front office is washed and everything is backfiring against them cause they can’t admit ineptitude

That offense sucked also. The only time that offense worked is with Duncan and Bam playing off each other. The offense in general hasnt been bad. It just needs to be great with this team and not have a bad third quarter. In order for it to be great, Bam, Butler and Rozier has to be good offensively

Kyle Lowry and Gabe Vincent dynamic is missed

[MettaWorldPanda]

Bring in Keshad Johnson and Josh Christopher. They’ll at least bring energy and athleticism.

[MettaWorldPanda]

That offense sucked also. The only time that offense worked is with Duncan and Bam playing off each other. The offense in general hasnt been bad. It just needs to be great with this team and not have a bad third quarter. In order for it to be great, Bam, Butler and Rozier has to be good offensively

Kyle Lowry and Gabe Vincent dynamic is missed

What’s laughable is what we have done to try and replace them since the last time we made it to the finals with that pairing.

[twix2500]

With all these bad 3rd quarters, bad performances of Bam, Butler and Rozier, the Heat are ranked 14th on offense with an ORtg of 114.2.

2023-24
114.0 ORtg

2022-23
113.0 ORtg

2021-22
113.7 ORtg

2020-21
111.2 ORtg

2019-20
112.5 ORtg

Defensively is where the team has gotten worse and that has happen every year except for the PJ Tucker and Bubble year

[twix2500]

Kyle Lowry and Gabe Vincent dynamic is missed

What’s laughable is what we have done to try and replace them since the last time we made it to the finals with that pairing.

MWP you know dam well that whole year was trash except for the playoffs. All three of those guys were trash until the playoffs.

[MettaWorldPanda]

What’s laughable is what we have done to try and replace them since the last time we made it to the finals with that pairing.

MWP you know dam well that whole year was trash except for the playoffs. All three of those guys were trash until the playoffs.

It was certainly that groups last hurrah. Just saying the PG play has been abysmal. Rozier was a band aid that just hasn’t worked out. Feel like we would better off just committing to Dru Smith and Isiah Stevens.

[Seabass777]

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[twix2500]

What’s laughable is what we have done to try and replace them since the last time we made it to the finals with that pairing.

MWP you know dam well that whole year was trash except for the playoffs. All three of those guys were trash until the playoffs.

It was certainly that groups last hurrah. Just saying the PG play has been abysmal. Rozier was a band aid that just hasn’t worked out. Feel like we would better off just committing to Dru Smith and Isiah Stevens.

Rozier has struggled, but he hasnt struggled at offensive things he cant get better at. Its only been 8 games. He wasnt bad the first three games. He was leading the team in scoring ato 19 pts along with Herro. But since then he has struggled. With all the struggle from 3 of the 4 stars the offense in general has been better than previous years. We should expect Rozier to get better, as well as we should expect Butler and Bam to get better. Hopefully Jovic and Jaquez to get better. Its way too early to settle for what we see.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Wonder if there’s a deal there with Golden State:

Heat trade
Jimmy Butler and Josh Richardson

Warriors trade
Jonathon Kuminga
Andrew Wiggins
Deanthony Melton
Kevon Looney
FRP and a swap

Heat get Kuminga to slot in at the 4. Wiggins is salary filler but can play a role. Melton and Looney are expirings for salary relief. Get some picks and swaps. Eh I dunno. It’s something. Butler ain’t getting any younger.

Golden State is winning and benefiting from their depth. They are not going to wreck what they have going for a breaking down 35 year old Jimmy.

Kuminga contract also going to be a problem. We would have to be 100% sold on him. We also have the tax problem. Butler needs to be dealt for a player making half that’s useful along with a few picks. Especially a pick in 2026 that prevents the Hornets from getting a 2028 unprotected.

[MettaWorldPanda]

MWP you know dam well that whole year was trash except for the playoffs. All three of those guys were trash until the playoffs.

It was certainly that groups last hurrah. Just saying the PG play has been abysmal. Rozier was a band aid that just hasn’t worked out. Feel like we would better off just committing to Dru Smith and Isiah Stevens.

Rozier has struggled, but he hasnt struggled at offensive things he cant get better at. Its only been 8 games. He wasnt bad the first three games. He was leading the team in scoring ato 19 pts along with Herro. But since then he has struggled. With all the struggle from 3 of the 4 stars the offense in general has been better than previous years. We should expect Rozier to get better, as well as we should expect Butler and Bam to get better.

Rozier is a low IQ chucker. There isn’t no getting better with this group. What you see is what you get

[twix2500]

It was certainly that groups last hurrah. Just saying the PG play has been abysmal. Rozier was a band aid that just hasn’t worked out. Feel like we would better off just committing to Dru Smith and Isiah Stevens.

Rozier has struggled, but he hasnt struggled at offensive things he cant get better at. Its only been 8 games. He wasnt bad the first three games. He was leading the team in scoring ato 19 pts along with Herro. But since then he has struggled. With all the struggle from 3 of the 4 stars the offense in general has been better than previous years. We should expect Rozier to get better, as well as we should expect Butler and Bam to get better.

Rozier is a low IQ chucker. There isn’t no getting better with this group. What you see is what you get

OK MWP, the sky is falling.

I am giving them until All-Star break. I most certianly expect Rozier to get a whole lot better. A good 18 -19 point player. And I expect him to get better defensivley. I do agree with you there needs a more ready glue guy over Jovic right now and Highsmith. But i am not close to moving on from Jovic. That is why I am pushing for Cameron Johnson. I think the Heat can get him without losing much.