Kuminga and moody extensions

[Scoots1994]

I bet you can ask ChatGPT what are the best lineups the Warriors should play.

Probably come up with an invalid answer but it would come up with an answer.

Some companies are using LLMs on proprietary data, to provide results to queries involving company data and processes.

So they could feed it advanced data but there are services provided that already to teams.

The "scary" AI thing I heard recently is the healthcare industry is using AI transcription software on doctors notes, and in human review of 10000 charts over 80% had significant errors. Police are using the same software to transcribe body worn camera audio, and the transcriptions are learning from what they've heard and are assigning crimes to people who didn't commit them.

AI is really interesting stuff, but people are pushing it farther faster than it's ready for.

[Scoots1994]

Be funny if AI essentially replaced coaches in the game. Have an AI voice tell a player why he’s sitting tonight.

Yeah, that's not anywhere CLOSE to happening. I was talking about AI gathering data about who was near who on offense and defense and who was defending who when they took a shot etc.

Maybe could do part of it, but I think if you saw the full scope of SS and the programs built off of it... AI's not a real threat to replace anything. It could assist though

That's what I was saying. Some of the data analysis could be streamlined by AI, and I think fairly quickly. Not ALL of it any time soon. I'm pretty sure Second Spectrum already uses some AI (or machine learning) as part of the processing of data.

Some data, even if less than the full gamut, could be useful mid-game on the sideline in the hands of a second row coach.

[EvanZ]

Moses Moody on the pod!

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[CDM_Stats]

Yeah, that's not anywhere CLOSE to happening. I was talking about AI gathering data about who was near who on offense and defense and who was defending who when they took a shot etc.

Maybe could do part of it, but I think if you saw the full scope of SS and the programs built off of it... AI's not a real threat to replace anything. It could assist though

That's what I was saying. Some of the data analysis could be streamlined by AI, and I think fairly quickly. Not ALL of it any time soon. I'm pretty sure Second Spectrum already uses some AI (or machine learning) as part of the processing of data.

Some data, even if less than the full gamut, could be useful mid-game on the sideline in the hands of a second row coach.

They do - I know for a fact that AI is used in tracking ground covered. The rest will be pretty tough though. Take deflections for example, if its contested and its hard to determine if an offensive or defensive player deflected it, multiple viewings for an AI wont help, but multiple viewings for a human would

Tech is amazing and maybe it can get to a more useful level, but the meat of what makes the metrics useful... I just cant see that going to automation anytime soon. Would take a lot of expensive cameras and programming.. and then of course the analytics part. AI's strategical thinking would only be as smart as the person programming it. I dunno... then again when I was a kid pagers were the height of technology, and now I carry a do-it-all computer in my hand. So what the **** do i know

[Scoots1994]

Maybe could do part of it, but I think if you saw the full scope of SS and the programs built off of it... AI's not a real threat to replace anything. It could assist though

That's what I was saying. Some of the data analysis could be streamlined by AI, and I think fairly quickly. Not ALL of it any time soon. I'm pretty sure Second Spectrum already uses some AI (or machine learning) as part of the processing of data.

Some data, even if less than the full gamut, could be useful mid-game on the sideline in the hands of a second row coach.

They do - I know for a fact that AI is used in tracking ground covered. The rest will be pretty tough though. Take deflections for example, if its contested and its hard to determine if an offensive or defensive player deflected it, multiple viewings for an AI wont help, but multiple viewings for a human would

Tech is amazing and maybe it can get to a more useful level, but the meat of what makes the metrics useful... I just cant see that going to automation anytime soon. Would take a lot of expensive cameras and programming.. and then of course the analytics part. AI's strategical thinking would only be as smart as the person programming it. I dunno... then again when I was a kid pagers were the height of technology, and now I carry a do-it-all computer in my hand. So what the **** do i know

Fair. AI is pretty good at turning patterns and explanations into repeated processes. When it has 200000 deflections and the human input that says who did what in that video clip it will get a lot better at getting it right. Some thing are easier so they come first. the common counting stats, distance covered, speed from catch to shot, who is closest to who, etc are going to be first, and they are going to have limited accuracy that should improve with time. As time goes by it will get better at more.

I pre-date the micro-processor (barely), so it's all magic to me.

[sonnyhill]

Moses Moody on the pod!

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Thank you for posting this.

I went back and listened to the full interview, and the brotherhood, mentorship, and sharing really stood out:

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[wco81]

So in the fourth season since the 2021 NBA draft, it’s clear that Warriors missed out on much better players than both JK and MM.

It’s not impossible that in another 4 years they will both look relatively better than some of these other players from that draft but for now, other players are more productive and contributing to winning for those other teams.

For instance, Franz could be a clear #2 on this Warriors team this season, taking the big shots.

Now maybe the Warriors wouldn’t want to be paying the contract that Franz just got and with the Warriors he wouldn’t have gotten the usage and touches that he has gotten on a young Magic team.

Wagner and JK have both been spotty shooters but now Wagner is creating off the dribble 3-pointers in big moments. It’s not the prettiest thing but Warriors aren’t even letting JK attempt anything like it.

Franz has gotten more rebounds and assists, got to the FT more, shoots a much higher percentage there.

Warriors are never going to try to raise usage for JK until Curry is no longer playing, assuming that they extend JK. Franz is showing that he can be a #2 on a playoffs team but maybe he wouldn’t have had those opportunities on the Warriors.

The case for other players over Moody is more cut and dry. Sengun and Trey Murphy both chosen after Moses, both far more productive and earning big extensions already. Maybe the Warriors wouldn’t want to pay so much with Curry making huge money?

There are questions of fit, like the Warriors probably need a wing more than a big scoring center.

But there are other players drafted after Moody who are more productive, like Jalen Johnson, and even Aldama or Kispert. This year even Trey Mann is producing more.

[EvanZ]

LaMelo would have been the best pick of all. It's funny how Warriors fans love the counterfactual of taking guys like Sengun over Moody but can't stomach the idea that, uh just maybe we should have OBVIOUSLY TAKEN LAMELO OVER JAMES WISEMAN.

It never goes old. Just as the next comment replying to mine is predictable. "Well I would have taken Haliburton, not LaMelo." Ok sure buddy. Sure. Great call.

[wco81]

Kuminga and Moody were not in the same draft as Melo or Wiseman.

Sell it somewhere else.

[vvoland]

LaMelo would have been the best pick of all. It's funny how Warriors fans love the counterfactual of taking guys like Sengun over Moody but can't stomach the idea that, uh just maybe we should have OBVIOUSLY TAKEN LAMELO OVER JAMES WISEMAN.

It never goes old. Just as the next comment replying to mine is predictable. "Well I would have taken Haliburton, not LaMelo." Ok sure buddy. Sure. Great call.

You really think Kerr and, to a lesser extent, dray would have allowed Lamelo to play his style of ball here? I can't imagine a worse match between coach, team's emotional leader, and lamelo ball. That's before you get to the whole injury history, defensive shortcomings, etc.

If the argument was to take lamelo, play him for 1 season (or even just half) and trade for a vet/star/superstar (depending on how well he plays) or future picks, sure. That's a narrow path to tread but you're welcome to it.

The more I look at the draft the more I think the only real strategy should be quantity of picks >>>>> quality of picks. In the wiseman draft, that meant trading #2 for multiple picks in the first or even future picks. Easy to say now, of course. CDM wants us to trade #2 for Jrue holiday (not sure he wanted to do so during that draft, but whatever, let's pretend he did) but I don't think we had the stuff NOP wanted.

[EvanZ]

LaMelo would have been the best pick of all. It's funny how Warriors fans love the counterfactual of taking guys like Sengun over Moody but can't stomach the idea that, uh just maybe we should have OBVIOUSLY TAKEN LAMELO OVER JAMES WISEMAN.

It never goes old. Just as the next comment replying to mine is predictable. "Well I would have taken Haliburton, not LaMelo." Ok sure buddy. Sure. Great call.

You really think Kerr and, to a lesser extent, dray would have allowed Lamelo to play his style of ball here? I can't imagine a worse match between coach, team's emotional leader, and lamelo ball. That's before you get to the whole injury history, defensive shortcomings, etc.

If the argument was to take lamelo, play him for 1 season (or even just half) and trade for a vet/star/superstar (depending on how well he plays) or future picks, sure. That's a narrow path to tread but you're welcome to it.

The more I look at the draft the more I think the only real strategy should be quantity of picks >>>>> quality of picks. In the wiseman draft, that meant trading #2 for multiple picks in the first or even future picks. Easy to say now, of course. CDM wants us to trade #2 for Jrue holiday (not sure he wanted to do so during that draft, but whatever, let's pretend he did) but I don't think we had the stuff NOP wanted.

Like I said..Warriors fans galaxy braining something that is so incredibly obvious.

[EvanZ]

Kuminga and Moody were not in the same draft as Melo or Wiseman.

Sell it somewhere else.

It's the hypocrisy bro. Sad.

[vvoland]

LaMelo would have been the best pick of all. It's funny how Warriors fans love the counterfactual of taking guys like Sengun over Moody but can't stomach the idea that, uh just maybe we should have OBVIOUSLY TAKEN LAMELO OVER JAMES WISEMAN.

It never goes old. Just as the next comment replying to mine is predictable. "Well I would have taken Haliburton, not LaMelo." Ok sure buddy. Sure. Great call.

You really think Kerr and, to a lesser extent, dray would have allowed Lamelo to play his style of ball here? I can't imagine a worse match between coach, team's emotional leader, and lamelo ball. That's before you get to the whole injury history, defensive shortcomings, etc.

If the argument was to take lamelo, play him for 1 season (or even just half) and trade for a vet/star/superstar (depending on how well he plays) or future picks, sure. That's a narrow path to tread but you're welcome to it.

The more I look at the draft the more I think the only real strategy should be quantity of picks >>>>> quality of picks. In the wiseman draft, that meant trading #2 for multiple picks in the first or even future picks. Easy to say now, of course. CDM wants us to trade #2 for Jrue holiday (not sure he wanted to do so during that draft, but whatever, let's pretend he did) but I don't think we had the stuff NOP wanted.

Like I said..Warriors fans galaxy braining something that is so incredibly obvious.

What exactly are you saying? That's it's galaxy brain to question fit?


The Charlotte HC benched lamelo down the stretch in favor of mann the other night. That's f-ing Charlotte that got fed up, what do you think dray would have done?

[wco81]

BTW, Trey Murphy was the leading scorer for the Pelicans last night, 5-9 from 3 with a potential game-winning 3 that just spun out.

He outscored both Kuminga and Moody combined (20 minutes each vs. 38 minutes for Murphy). Had about the same number of assists and rebounds as both combined.

Pelicans already extended him and his cap numbers starting next season are $25, $27, $29 and $31 million.

He's not just a catch and shoot player, at least judging by last night. He was driving into the paint on smaller guys and shooting over them or going to the rim. He also made one or two of his 3s off the dribble.

Really, the Warriors should have drafted him over both JK and Moody.

Myers is gone but the front office and scouts who were around for the 2020 and 2021 drafts should be purged, though who knows, Kerr may have had a lot of input on those choices but the way he was reluctant to play any of these 3 lottery picks suggest that he wasn't on board with any of them or didn't like what he saw in practices and training camp.

Drafting is going to be increasingly critical going forward. They really need to improve, though maybe GSW doesn't have the right developmental staff either.

The book is still out on Podz and TJD but you can argue that GSW hasn't had a good draft since the 2012 draft.

[EvanZ]

You really think Kerr and, to a lesser extent, dray would have allowed Lamelo to play his style of ball here? I can't imagine a worse match between coach, team's emotional leader, and lamelo ball. That's before you get to the whole injury history, defensive shortcomings, etc.

If the argument was to take lamelo, play him for 1 season (or even just half) and trade for a vet/star/superstar (depending on how well he plays) or future picks, sure. That's a narrow path to tread but you're welcome to it.

The more I look at the draft the more I think the only real strategy should be quantity of picks >>>>> quality of picks. In the wiseman draft, that meant trading #2 for multiple picks in the first or even future picks. Easy to say now, of course. CDM wants us to trade #2 for Jrue holiday (not sure he wanted to do so during that draft, but whatever, let's pretend he did) but I don't think we had the stuff NOP wanted.

Like I said..Warriors fans galaxy braining something that is so incredibly obvious.

What exactly are you saying? That's it's galaxy brain to question fit?


The Charlotte HC benched lamelo down the stretch in favor of mann the other night. That's f-ing Charlotte that got fed up, what do you think dray would have done?

I think Dray wouldn't have done anything. You're just raising weird hypotheticals to excuse yourself from galaxy brain thinking.

Melo was very obviously the best choice at the time. He likely still is. And it's just very weird to make all these excuses why it wouldn't have been an obviously better pick than Wiseman who is basically fighting to stay in the league at this point.

[Old_Blue]

Four years after the fact, WTF are people bitching about LaMelo? The Dubs didn't trade up to get Edwards and they didn't trade down to get Haliburton. Nobody (other than CDM) even thinks about Wiseman anymore. What's done is done. Drinking yourself into an alcoholic stupor would be more productive than wasting time focusing on the fiasco that was the 2020 NBA Draft for the Dubs.

[EvanZ]

Also btw in the game you're talking about Charlotte was +12 in Melo's minutes and -9 in Mann's minutes...so you tell me what Dray would have done. Probably not wanted to take him out!

[EvanZ]

Four years after the fact, WTF are people bitching about LaMelo? The Dubs didn't trade up to get Edwards and they didn't trade down to get Haliburton. Nobody (other than CDM) even thinks about Wiseman anymore. What's done is done. Drinking yourself into an alcoholic stupor would be more productive than wasting time focusing on the fiasco that was the 2020 NBA Draft for the Dubs.

People are bitching about not taking Sengun and Trey Murphy over Moody and Kuminga...so why don't you bring the same energy telling them the same thing? Is it just that that draft was one year later and so there's some statute of limitations that applies to the 2020 Draft but not the 2021 Draft? So are to expect that next year we should arbitrarily stop talking about the 2021 Draft?

I mean **** bro, I'm still made we didn't take Kobe or Tracy McGrady.

[wco81]

Warriors are 2-1 in games in which JK scores over 30. The one loss was the game in which Curry and Green didn’t play.

So if they’re showcasing him to try to drum up interest from other teams for trades, they better get a star back.

Otherwise, JK is going to demand the huge extension even ,ore because right now, Warriors lack scoring other than Curry and sometimes Wiggins, who shrinks in big moments and just defers to Curry and now JK.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Warriors are 2-1 in games in which JK scores over 30. The one loss was the game in which Curry and Green didn’t play.

So if they’re showcasing him to try to drum up interest from other teams for trades, they better get a star back.

Otherwise, JK is going to demand the huge extension even ,ore because right now, Warriors lack scoring other than Curry and sometimes Wiggins, who shrinks in big moments and just defers to Curry and now JK.

I think every single poster on this board hopes he earns a max deal and he seems to be climbing that mountain as we speak.