Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks

Moderators: bwgood77, Domejandro

RealGM Wiretap
RealGM
Posts: 114,841
And1: 313
Joined: Mar 19, 2013

Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:12 am

The Philadelphia 76ers currently have two future first round picks and three swaps available to trade on the open market to improve their roster around Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Paul George. As the Sixers were a cap space team this past offseason, they are below the second apron and have more flexibility than some other contenders.


"I have been told repeatedly, the Sixers are willing to put first round draft capital on the table for players they will then have to go into the second apron to re-sign next summer," said Fischer. 


While Maxey is out with a hamstring injury, the Sixers will have Embiid make his season debut next week.

Via Jake Fischer/Bleacher Report

HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,764
And1: 11,865
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#2 » by HotelVitale » Sat Nov 9, 2024 3:33 pm

The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).
Invictus88
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,938
And1: 2,220
Joined: Jun 25, 2013

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#3 » by Invictus88 » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:20 pm

HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).


Are those in consecutive years and are they their original picks?

You can't trade your own 1sts in consecutive years. The most you can do in the adjacent years are pick swaps.
User avatar
ontnut
RealGM
Posts: 12,177
And1: 9,164
Joined: Jan 31, 2009
Location: Toronto
       

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#4 » by ontnut » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:36 pm

HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).

76ers 1st rd picks:
2026 own
2026 OKC/HOU/LAC - least favourable

2027 - none

2028 own
2028 LAC unprotected

2029 own
2029 LAC swap protected 1-3 (if not conveyed then the pick conveyance is terminated meaning it's swap or nothing)

2030 own

2031 own

So....because PHI doesn't have a 2025 or 2027 pick, they cannot trade out of the 2026 or 2028 drafts.

The only self-owned 2 picks they can trade are 2028 and 2030, or 2029 and 2031, due to the Stepien Rule. They also have the 3 swaps they can move. They cannot trade the 2026 PHI pick because they don't have a 2025 pick, and because the OKC/LAC/HOU pick is not guaranteed to convey due to protections I believe. The article is not wrong or misquoted...I think you just didn't understand the pick availabilities and trade rules.

Best PHI offer is:
1) 2026 OKC/HOU/LAC pick swap,
2) 2028 LAC unprotected swap, or their own 2028 PHI pick,
3) one of A) 2029 PHI pick swip protected and tied to the LAC swap - meaning that the PHI pick only conveys if the LAC pick falls outside of top 3 and conveys to PHI, or B) PHI can trade the 2029 LAC swap.
4) 2030 PHI pick
5) 2031 PHI swap

Thus 2 PHI picks, and 3 swaps is the most that can be traded out - essentially, 5 1st round picks of varying value.
Image
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,764
And1: 11,865
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#5 » by HotelVitale » Sat Nov 9, 2024 5:09 pm

DELETED
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,764
And1: 11,865
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#6 » by HotelVitale » Sat Nov 9, 2024 5:21 pm

ontnut wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).

76ers 1st rd picks:
2026 own
2026 OKC/HOU/LAC - least favourable

2027 - none

2028 own
2028 LAC unprotected

2029 own
2029 LAC swap protected 1-3 (if not conveyed then the pick conveyance is terminated meaning it's swap or nothing)

2030 own

2031 own

So....because PHI doesn't have a 2027 pick, they cannot trade 2026 or 2028. The only self-owned 2 picks they can trade are 2028 and 2030, or 2029 and 2031, due to the Stepien Rule. They also have the 3 swaps they can move, as they own their own picks in all 3 of those years. The article is not wrong or misquoted...I think you just didn't understand the pick availabilities and trade rules.


Invictus88 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).
Are those in consecutive years and are they their original picks? You can't trade your own 1sts in consecutive years. The most you can do in the adjacent years are pick swaps.


I obviously know the Stepien rule, guys. The rule doesn't say you have to own your OWN pick in consecutive years, just that you need ANY 1st rounder in consecutive years. So they can definitely trade their own or one of the ones owed them in 26 and 28 and keep clear of the rule. And also 2030, and maybe 2032 (not sure if they can trade that far out yet). And also at least 4 swaps--26, 28, 29 (LAC), 31--even more if they double up some years or don't trade all their available 1sts.

I was about to post this but then noticed that there are some light protections that are very unlikely to matter on the picks they owe to OKC and BKN, which might complicate things. (Maybe that's what the original article was going through, I would just read it and fact check but it's a long podcast that I don't want to sift through now.)
User avatar
ontnut
RealGM
Posts: 12,177
And1: 9,164
Joined: Jan 31, 2009
Location: Toronto
       

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#7 » by ontnut » Sat Nov 9, 2024 5:35 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
ontnut wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).

76ers 1st rd picks:
2026 own
2026 OKC/HOU/LAC - least favourable

2027 - none

2028 own
2028 LAC unprotected

2029 own
2029 LAC swap protected 1-3 (if not conveyed then the pick conveyance is terminated meaning it's swap or nothing)

2030 own

2031 own

So....because PHI doesn't have a 2027 pick, they cannot trade 2026 or 2028. The only self-owned 2 picks they can trade are 2028 and 2030, or 2029 and 2031, due to the Stepien Rule. They also have the 3 swaps they can move, as they own their own picks in all 3 of those years. The article is not wrong or misquoted...I think you just didn't understand the pick availabilities and trade rules.


Invictus88 wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:The Sixers have at least 4 and maybe 5 1st rounders to trade. Weird thing to get wrong (or misquote, doubt the reporter f’d it up).
Are those in consecutive years and are they their original picks? You can't trade your own 1sts in consecutive years. The most you can do in the adjacent years are pick swaps.


I obviously know the Stepien rule, guys. The rule doesn't say you have to own your OWN pick in consecutive years, just that you need ANY 1st rounder in consecutive years. So they can definitely trade their own or one of the ones owed them in 26 and 28 and keep clear of the rule. And also 2030, and maybe 2032 (not sure if they can trade that far out yet). And also at least 4 swaps--26, 28, 29 (LAC), 31--even more if they double up some years or don't trade all their available 1sts.

I was about to post this but then noticed that there are some light protections that are very unlikely to matter on the picks they owe to OKC and BKN, which might complicate things. (Maybe that's what the original article was going through, I would just read it and fact check but it's a long podcast that I don't want to sift through now.)

The 2026 pick protection is complicated and it's unclear if PHI is guaranteed to receive a pick, based on the HOU protections and conveyance stipulations. Based on my understanding, because of the protections, they cannot trade their own 2026 pick (because it's not guaranteed they will receive a pick back in the swap), but they could trade that 2026 OKC/HOU/LAC swap. They could do a 2026 PHI pick swap that guarantees them a 2026 pick. They cannot trade 2032 picks, it's too far out - 7 years is the max.

The most they can send out is 5 picks of some combination of their own/others' picks, and swaps, but the most outright 1st rounders they can send out is 2...those being either 2028 and 2030, OR 2029 and 2031. The most they can trade is either 2 1sts and 3 swaps, or 1 1st and 4 swaps.
Image
HotelVitale
RealGM
Posts: 16,764
And1: 11,865
Joined: Sep 14, 2007
Location: West Philly, PA

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#8 » by HotelVitale » Sat Nov 9, 2024 7:25 pm

ontnut wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:
ontnut wrote:76ers 1st rd picks:
2026 own
2026 OKC/HOU/LAC - least favourable

2027 - none

2028 own
2028 LAC unprotected

2029 own
2029 LAC swap protected 1-3 (if not conveyed then the pick conveyance is terminated meaning it's swap or nothing)

2030 own

2031 own

So....because PHI doesn't have a 2027 pick, they cannot trade 2026 or 2028. The only self-owned 2 picks they can trade are 2028 and 2030, or 2029 and 2031, due to the Stepien Rule. They also have the 3 swaps they can move, as they own their own picks in all 3 of those years. The article is not wrong or misquoted...I think you just didn't understand the pick availabilities and trade rules.


Invictus88 wrote: Are those in consecutive years and are they their original picks? You can't trade your own 1sts in consecutive years. The most you can do in the adjacent years are pick swaps.


I obviously know the Stepien rule, guys. The rule doesn't say you have to own your OWN pick in consecutive years, just that you need ANY 1st rounder in consecutive years. So they can definitely trade their own or one of the ones owed them in 26 and 28 and keep clear of the rule. And also 2030, and maybe 2032 (not sure if they can trade that far out yet). And also at least 4 swaps--26, 28, 29 (LAC), 31--even more if they double up some years or don't trade all their available 1sts.

I was about to post this but then noticed that there are some light protections that are very unlikely to matter on the picks they owe to OKC and BKN, which might complicate things. (Maybe that's what the original article was going through, I would just read it and fact check but it's a long podcast that I don't want to sift through now.)

The 2026 pick protection is complicated and it's unclear if PHI is guaranteed to receive a pick, based on the HOU protections and conveyance stipulations. Based on my understanding, because of the protections, they cannot trade their own 2026 pick (because it's not guaranteed they will receive a pick back in the swap), but they could trade that 2026 OKC/HOU/LAC swap. They could do a 2026 PHI pick swap that guarantees them a 2026 pick. They cannot trade 2032 picks, it's too far out - 7 years is the max.

The most they can send out is 5 picks of some combination of their own/others' picks, and swaps, but the most outright 1st rounders they can send out is 2...those being either 2028 and 2030, OR 2029 and 2031. The most they can trade is either 2 1sts and 3 swaps, or 1 1st and 4 swaps.


Seems like a different argument than you made in the last post but that's fine. For the '26 picks I'm not sure about how exactly it works but think you're confusing things. They don't owe any swaps at all in '26, they own their own pick outright and then also own the least favorable of HOU/LAC/OKC that year. So there's no chance they lose their own 1st. And it looks like the only part of the other pick that's at all restricted is HOU, and the swap is for the least favorable of the 3 picks so even if HOU isn't involved it seems like they'd still end up with the lower of the other two. I don't see anything indicating the pick is contingent on HOU's definitely swapping that year. Based on that I'd guess that's not the sticking point, they do have two 1sts coming in 26.

The protections I was talking about are for the pick they owe to OKC--it's top-6 and then top-4 protected for a few years, which means they can't trade a '26 pick until it's been 100% assured this year's pick won't be top-6 (which wouldn't happen until after the trade deadline at best). Also can't trade the HOU/LAC/OKC one since they might need that to be their Stepien pick in '26. Good chance that was what the podcaster was talking about.

And I know 7 years is the max but don't know when that starts. This is the 24-25 season so a pick from from the 31-32 season could be 7 years. Guess it makes more sense that would be freed up after a given season but not sure.
dubbmotta
Senior
Posts: 747
And1: 130
Joined: Oct 19, 2017

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#9 » by dubbmotta » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:59 pm

Gotta consider trading Joel this summer. He’s always hurt can’t play back to back and have been banged up the last 4-5 playoffs..trade him before it’s too late.

Houston thirsty for a star, go get thier center, Jalen Green, Jabari Smith and a bunch of picks and build around Maxey.
beefymajesto
Sophomore
Posts: 169
And1: 17
Joined: May 16, 2016
     

Re: Sixers Willing To Trade Future First Round Picks 

Post#10 » by beefymajesto » Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:09 pm

dubbmotta wrote:Gotta consider trading Joel this summer. He’s always hurt can’t play back to back and have been banged up the last 4-5 playoffs..trade him before it’s too late.

Houston thirsty for a star, go get thier center, Jalen Green, Jabari Smith and a bunch of picks and build around Maxey.


If Houston's giving sengun and green I take that. Not sold anyone wants Embiids contract except Philadelphia though. Of course he's a villian in my life so factor that in.

Return to Wiretap Discussion