Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

[3toheadmelo]

Timberwolves is thriving with Randle right now. Currently 6-3. Ant said last night he loves playing off him cause of the gravity Randle brings when he drives to the rim. Ant and Randle have the most 20+ pts by any duo in the league.

Last night KAT played amazing and the rest of the team looked great. I really want to see that type of energy against contenders and not only bad teams.

The Timberwolves look good and Ant is on a TEAR. However, the Timberwolves haven't changed much...just re-tooled.....swapping out their All-Star starting PF for another All-Star PF in a trade, and bolstered their bench, so They should look much smoother early on. 6-3 is fine.

As of right now, the Knicks Have changed their starting: C, PF, SF, SG...Basically a new team, so they will have to learn to play together...and unfortunately they have the least productive bench in the NBA.

KAT though looks amazing, and the Knicks are moving the ball like never before. Under the circumstances, being 4-4 is fine. With time to gel, and getting serviceable guys back in the bench rotation....they should get better and better.

I think the Timberwolves took a major shift in their offense though. Ant was saying last night he likes to spot up now while playing through Randle. That wasn't really their offense with KAT. So it's been an adjustment for them too. But they have been gelling pretty well.

I am just mainly worried about KAT's rim protection. We seen the numbers and it's not pretty at all. Imo I don't think his positives on offense is good enough to make up for his lack of rim protection. I mean he just had 34 Pts against the Hawks and we still couldn't beat them cause he couldn't protect the paint. It's a tough situation. I really hope we make the move to push him at the 4 at some point. Then we can really cook. Thats what Minny did and it got them to the WCF.

I missed some of the game last night but from what I saw everyone was sharing the ball and we played through KAT. Brunson has been a bit a ball hog lately so the ball has been sticking a lot but that's mainly cause Brunson has to be that main playmaking hub which was really Randle for the past couple of years. It's a shift in responsibilites for Brunson. I am glad Brunson made a better effort last night though and I hope that continues. Less scoring for Brunson but more playmaking from him might be the move. He has to sacrifice his scoring to get everyone involved.

[3toheadmelo]

Timberwolves is thriving with Randle right now. Currently 6-3. Ant said last night he loves playing off him cause of the gravity Randle brings when he drives to the rim. Ant and Randle have the most 20+ pts by any duo in the league.

Last night KAT played amazing and the rest of the team looked great. I really want to see that type of energy against contenders and not only bad teams.

bucks a contender low key .. they’ll figure it out

Def not agreeing on that. They're terrible. I said last year trading Jrue for a washed Dame made them worse and they double downed on getting worse with Doc Rivers. They're not a contender at all imo

[Iron Mantis]

Timberwolves is thriving with Randle right now. Currently 6-3. Ant said last night he loves playing off him cause of the gravity Randle brings when he drives to the rim. Ant and Randle have the most 20+ pts by any duo in the league.

Last night KAT played amazing and the rest of the team looked great. I really want to see that type of energy against contenders and not only bad teams.

The Timberwolves look good and Ant is on a TEAR. However, the Timberwolves haven't changed much...just re-tooled.....swapping out their All-Star starting PF for another All-Star PF in a trade, and bolstered their bench, so They should look much smoother early on. 6-3 is fine.

As of right now, the Knicks Have changed their starting: C, PF, SF, SG...Basically a new team, so they will have to learn to play together...and unfortunately they have the least productive bench in the NBA.

KAT though looks amazing, and the Knicks are moving the ball like never before. Under the circumstances, being 4-4 is fine. With time to gel, and getting serviceable guys back in the bench rotation....they should get better and better.

I think the Timberwolves took a major shift in their offense though. Ant was saying last night he likes to spot up now while playing through Randle. That wasn't really their offense with KAT. So it's been an adjustment for them too. But they have been gelling pretty well.

I am just mainly worried about KAT's rim protection. We seen the numbers and it's not pretty at all. Imo I don't think his positives on offense is good enough to make up for his lack of rim protection. I mean he just had 34 Pts against the Hawks and we still couldn't beat them cause he couldn't protect the paint. It's a tough situation. I really hope we make the move to push him at the 4 at some point. Then we can really cook. Thats what Minny did and it got them to the WCF.

I missed some of the game last night but from what I saw everyone was sharing the ball and we played through KAT. Brunson has been a bit a ball hog lately so the ball has been sticking a lot but that's mainly cause Brunson has to be that main playmaking hub which was really Randle for the past couple of years. It's a shift in responsibilites for Brunson. I am glad Brunson made a better effort last night though and I hope that continues. Less scoring for Brunson but more playmaking from him might be the move. He has to sacrifice his scoring to get everyone involved.

I see where you're coming from. KAT definitely has to be much more active as a rim protector if the Knicks want to do anything...or we may have to move him to PF on some matchups.

But what I highlighted is just a no.

I watched the game also, and the perimeter defense was atrocious, letting the Hawks who were in the low 30's in 3PT% come in and shoot WELL above their season avg.... specifically Josh Hart letting some rookie who has been absolutely dreadful go off for 33 points on 6-10 from 3.....

Literally, 35% of the total points the Hawks team scored from FG were on Josh Hart: Per NBA.com they dropped 37 points on him alone...that loss was not on KAT's defense

[3toheadmelo]

The Timberwolves look good and Ant is on a TEAR. However, the Timberwolves haven't changed much...just re-tooled.....swapping out their All-Star starting PF for another All-Star PF in a trade, and bolstered their bench, so They should look much smoother early on. 6-3 is fine.

As of right now, the Knicks Have changed their starting: C, PF, SF, SG...Basically a new team, so they will have to learn to play together...and unfortunately they have the least productive bench in the NBA.

KAT though looks amazing, and the Knicks are moving the ball like never before. Under the circumstances, being 4-4 is fine. With time to gel, and getting serviceable guys back in the bench rotation....they should get better and better.

I think the Timberwolves took a major shift in their offense though. Ant was saying last night he likes to spot up now while playing through Randle. That wasn't really their offense with KAT. So it's been an adjustment for them too. But they have been gelling pretty well.

I am just mainly worried about KAT's rim protection. We seen the numbers and it's not pretty at all. Imo I don't think his positives on offense is good enough to make up for his lack of rim protection. I mean he just had 34 Pts against the Hawks and we still couldn't beat them cause he couldn't protect the paint. It's a tough situation. I really hope we make the move to push him at the 4 at some point. Then we can really cook. Thats what Minny did and it got them to the WCF.

I missed some of the game last night but from what I saw everyone was sharing the ball and we played through KAT. Brunson has been a bit a ball hog lately so the ball has been sticking a lot but that's mainly cause Brunson has to be that main playmaking hub which was really Randle for the past couple of years. It's a shift in responsibilites for Brunson. I am glad Brunson made a better effort last night though and I hope that continues. Less scoring for Brunson but more playmaking from him might be the move. He has to sacrifice his scoring to get everyone involved.

I see where you're coming from. KAT definitely has to be much more active as a rim protector if the Knicks want to do anything...or we may have to move him to PF on some matchups.

But what I highlighted is just a no.

I watched the game also, and the perimeter defense was atrocious, letting the Hawks who were in the low 30's in 3PT% come in and shoot WELL above their season avg.... specifically Josh Hart letting some rookie who has been absolutely dreadful go off for 33 points on 6-10 from 3.....

Literally, 35% of the total points the Hawks team scored from FG were on Josh Hart: Per NBA.com they dropped 37 points on him alone...that loss was not on KAT's defense

Josh Hart was a big problem that game as well, not disputing that. But KAT was tied with Hart on letting opponents shoot 53% FG that game. We also gave up 58 pts in the paint and KAT had the 2nd worse DEF rating in that game 131.3 right behind Hart. They both were terrible.

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I'm not disputing that our perimeter defense has been a problem. Absolutely is. But our last line of defense is your center. My firm belief is that you can't win anything if your C can't defend unless your a generational talent like Jokic imo. So we'll have to see if they KAT and the coaching staff can adjust this. Or trade for a rim protector.

[Spree2Houston]

KAT isn’t a rim protector at the 5. He had Gobert to help hide his deficiencies as a defender. The same can be said for Randle. He had Mitch and Ihart to cover for him. If we started the season with Randle at the 5, he would’ve been a worse defender than KAT and our record would be 1-7. If we’re comparing both players as defenders , KAT is the far superior defender to Randle and it’s not even close. Minnesota is looking good because Gobert is there. If Randle was playing Center for the T-Wolves, they’re probably 2-7

[spree2kawhi]

KAT isn’t a rim protector at the 5. He had Gobert to help hide his deficiencies as a defender. The same can be said for Randle. He had Mitch and Ihart to cover for him. If we started the season with Randle at the 5, he would’ve been a worse defender than KAT and our record would be 1-7. If we’re comparing both players as defenders , KAT is the far superior defender to Randle and it’s not even close. Minnesota is looking good because Gobert is there. If Randle was playing Center for the T-Wolves, they’re probably 2-7

Yeah and I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that… it is annoying. People are ruining this place that used to be full of actually knowledgeable posters with the occasional nykmentality sprinkled in. It’s pretty much reduced to “someone’s curse strikes again” or agenda driven BS and volume posting.

I’m not surprised by KAT‘s play so far. I knew his game well. But I could (try to bring myself to try and) understand that people were skeptical and hadn’t seen enough of him to really grasp his skill level. The audacity and double standards were hard enough to endure before the trade though. But to still keep piling this crap up like this… as if Randle was really remotely close to the player Towns is… it’s literally insane.

[Clyde_Style]

KAT isn’t a rim protector at the 5. He had Gobert to help hide his deficiencies as a defender. The same can be said for Randle. He had Mitch and Ihart to cover for him. If we started the season with Randle at the 5, he would’ve been a worse defender than KAT and our record would be 1-7. If we’re comparing both players as defenders , KAT is the far superior defender to Randle and it’s not even close. Minnesota is looking good because Gobert is there. If Randle was playing Center for the T-Wolves, they’re probably 2-7

Yeah and I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that… it is annoying. People are ruining this place that used to be full of actually knowledgeable posters with the occasional nykmentality sprinkled in. It’s pretty much reduced to “someone’s curse strikes again” or agenda driven BS and volume posting.

I’m not surprised by KAT‘s play so far. I knew his game well. But I could (try to bring myself to) understand that people were skeptical and hadn’t seen enough of him to really grasp his skill level. The audacity and double standards were hard enough to endure before the trade though. But to still keep piling this crap up like this… as if Randle was really remotely close to the player Towns is… it’s literally insane.

Loving hoops and loving one's own opinion are two different things. It seems those who love the team without holding tightly to any agendas don't really care that much about being right or wrong. Wanting the team to do well shouldn't be a complicated matter, but not everyone knows how to be patient and let a roster mature.

Give this squad a little time and they'll be terrific. Show a little patience until Mitch returns and we'll plug the hole we have that has some people in a panic. KAT is as pure a bucket as anyone to wear a Knicks jersey since Bernard. He really is that good on offense. You can build around that even more than around Brunson. But you can build around them both and figure it out.

[Spree2Houston]

KAT isn’t a rim protector at the 5. He had Gobert to help hide his deficiencies as a defender. The same can be said for Randle. He had Mitch and Ihart to cover for him. If we started the season with Randle at the 5, he would’ve been a worse defender than KAT and our record would be 1-7. If we’re comparing both players as defenders , KAT is the far superior defender to Randle and it’s not even close. Minnesota is looking good because Gobert is there. If Randle was playing Center for the T-Wolves, they’re probably 2-7

Yeah and I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that… it is annoying. People are ruining this place that used to be full of actually knowledgeable posters with the occasional nykmentality sprinkled in. It’s pretty much reduced to “someone’s curse strikes again” or agenda driven BS and volume posting.

I’m not surprised by KAT‘s play so far. I knew his game well. But I could (try to bring myself to) understand that people were skeptical and hadn’t seen enough of him to really grasp his skill level. The audacity and double standards were hard enough to endure before the trade though. But to still keep piling this crap up like this… as if Randle was really remotely close to the player Towns is… it’s literally insane.

Loving hoops and loving one's own opinion are two different things. It seems those who love the team without holding tightly to any agendas don't really care that much about being right or wrong. Wanting the team to do well shouldn't be a complicated matter, but not everyone knows how to be patient and let a roster mature.

Give this squad a little time and they'll be terrific. Show a little patience until Mitch returns and we'll plug the hole we have that has some people in a panic. KAT is as pure a bucket as anyone to wear a Knicks jersey since Bernard. He really is that good on offense. You can build around that even more than around Brunson. But you can build around them both and figure it out.

lol grown men seeking validation from strangers on a internet message board lol talk about underlying mommy daddy issues

[spree2kawhi]

Yeah and I wonder what’s so hard to understand about that… it is annoying. People are ruining this place that used to be full of actually knowledgeable posters with the occasional nykmentality sprinkled in. It’s pretty much reduced to “someone’s curse strikes again” or agenda driven BS and volume posting.

I’m not surprised by KAT‘s play so far. I knew his game well. But I could (try to bring myself to) understand that people were skeptical and hadn’t seen enough of him to really grasp his skill level. The audacity and double standards were hard enough to endure before the trade though. But to still keep piling this crap up like this… as if Randle was really remotely close to the player Towns is… it’s literally insane.

Loving hoops and loving one's own opinion are two different things. It seems those who love the team without holding tightly to any agendas don't really care that much about being right or wrong. Wanting the team to do well shouldn't be a complicated matter, but not everyone knows how to be patient and let a roster mature.

Give this squad a little time and they'll be terrific. Show a little patience until Mitch returns and we'll plug the hole we have that has some people in a panic. KAT is as pure a bucket as anyone to wear a Knicks jersey since Bernard. He really is that good on offense. You can build around that even more than around Brunson. But you can build around them both and figure it out.

lol grown men seeking validation from strangers on a internet message board lol talk about underlying mommy daddy issues

Despite the record so far, it’s been great fun watching this team’s offense. Should be a fun season.

[Barcs]

My only complaint about KAT is the lack of rim protection. He does try to challenge shots at times but he's just bad at it.

It makes you wonder if they will slide KAT to the 4 when Mitch comes back from injury and then play either Hart or Bridges as your 6th man.

[BrOnXKing1]

If we get Mitch back healthy, its imperative that Thibs starts him Kat. The Rudy/Kat combo made Minnesota a very good defensive team. Hart can come off the bench and bring energy to that unit which is lacking right now

[Clyde_Style]

My only complaint about KAT is the lack of rim protection. He does try to challenge shots at times but he's just bad at it.

It makes you wonder if they will slide KAT to the 4 when Mitch comes back from injury and then play either Hart or Bridges as your 6th man.

That is what Thibs will do after Mitch gets his wind back

Having Mitch suck up offensive rebounds will charge up our offense even more. With Mitch and OG anchoring the defense, they can afford to bring Hart or Bridges off the bench

KAT as a freelance 7 footer playing man and help defense with Mitch holding the lane should be a good defensive answer to the bigger or more athletic teams we face.

[Clyde_Style]

In the meantime, I'd like to see Hukporti get more minutes than Sims. He has the potential to be the legit backup center when Mitch comes back or if Mitch comes back and can't stay healthy. You can't go into the playoffs with Sims as your primary C option after Towns. That's asking for trouble.

Not sure what Thibs is doing with Sims, because he has no feel for the game nor does he have any instincts on what to do with the ball when he gathers a rebound on either end.

By mid-season, if Mitch is not back, they need to move on from Sims or else we'll lose too many games due to size mismatches.

[3toheadmelo]

If we get Mitch back healthy, its imperative that Thibs starts him Kat. The Rudy/Kat combo made Minnesota a very good defensive team. Hart can come off the bench and bring energy to that unit which is lacking right now

I agree that should be the move. But I don't think KAT will support it

The 28-year-old said his strong start this season is “just being able to do what I did a lot of years at the five.”

“I feel I’m a better version of myself,” Towns said. “I’m smarter, more experienced, I think I’m more talented than I’ve ever been. So being able to utilize that for our team is what I want to do every single night so it can translate to wins.”

[Deeeez Knicks]

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[Klomp]

I wanted to come straight to the Knicks fan base, because I am curious what you all think about this.

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Was this a trend you saw in New York as well?

[DaGawd]

I wanted to come straight to the Knicks fan base, because I am curious what you all think about this.

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Was this a trend you saw in New York as well?

yes he doesn’t always make the obvious pass to make on time. his mindset is more try to score first and then pass as a last resort if it isn’t there usually. as far as the side of the floor… i’m not sure i’ve noticed much of a trend in that regard

[Klomp]

I wanted to come straight to the Knicks fan base, because I am curious what you all think about this.

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Was this a trend you saw in New York as well?

yes he doesn’t always make the obvious pass to make on time. his mindset is more try to score first and then pass as a last resort if it isn’t there usually

That's not what's being argued here. I tend to side with the tweet author, who sees it not as a "selfishness" issue, but more of a "vision" issue.

[DaGawd]

I wanted to come straight to the Knicks fan base, because I am curious what you all think about this.

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Was this a trend you saw in New York as well?

yes he doesn’t always make the obvious pass to make on time. his mindset is more try to score first and then pass as a last resort if it isn’t there usually

That's not what's being argued here. I tend to side with the tweet author, who sees it not as a "selfishness" issue, but more of a "vision" issue.

i edited my post but i didn’t personally recognize that trend, gonna need to see numbers backing it up

[stuporman]

I guess maybe if KAT ran the other way from playing defense in the paint like some other player I won't name he'd look better numbers wise.