2024-25 Regular Season Thread Vol. 1

[twix2500]

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Wait all of them scored all them points in one game lol

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If these players are putting up these stats it makes me be suspicious of the competitive nature of these games. How are these agents effecting the games.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Wait all of them scored all them points in one game lol

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AAU on steroids

[twix2500]

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If these players are putting up these stats it makes me be suspicious of the competitive nature of these games. How are these agents effecting the games.

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AAU on steroids

I hope that is not true because if that is the case that is why the players are not ready if they are getting called up.

[dshearn]

I have been kinda stoke at this years version of Herro...went looking at the stats for this early season to see how he is stacking up compared to the names that Tyler wanted to be in the company of.....and stumbled across Ant Edwards...ok..he has FT issues...but that dude is cooking....isn't that the guy that was hanging out with Spo and Bam this summer?


anyway...there are only a handful a dudes shooting near 50%, that take remotely the amount of 3s that Tyler does....yeah...I get scoring is easier these days and all that....but it really does not look like at worst...a. hot start to the season, but maybe...maybe dude has turned a corner...

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I have been kinda stoke at this years version of Herro...went looking at the stats for this early season to see how he is stacking up compared to the names that Tyler wanted to be in the company of.....and stumbled across Ant Edwards...ok..he has FT issues...but that dude is cooking....isn't that the guy that was hanging out with Spo and Bam this summer?


anyway...there are only a handful a dudes shooting near 50%, that take remotely the amount of 3s that Tyler does....yeah...I get scoring is easier these days and all that....but it really does not look like at worst...a. hot start to the season, but maybe...maybe dude has turned a corner...

[AirP.]

Is it alarming to anyone else the amount of money and assets Miami has thrown at the center position in the last 9 years? They've drafted 3-4 centers in that time, the first one HIT to the point he was given a max and a max extension yet they still drafted 2-3 more since deciding to hand him a max which they knew before drafting Precious. I looked at this since I was thinking about rebuilds and how many teams miss, even Philly who acquire 3 lottery rookie centers in consecutive years.

For Miami...
2016 - Max center Whiteside.
2017 - Draft Bam who will be an ALL-NBA center. (They saw something special in him, don't fault them for this)
2019 - Tries to trade Dragic not Whiteside to acquire Butler in a S&T, later had to change to trade Whiteside.
2020 - Drafts project center Precious, doesn't play 1 minute with Bam.
2020 - Hands Bam a max contract.
2022 - Drafts project PF/C Jovic and sends him to Sioux Falls to work on being a center, changes back to PF.
2024 - Drafts project center Ware.
2024 - Gives Bam max extension.

This is also why I never liked rebuilds and before following Miami in 2019 loved the idea of Miami never going into rebuilds and usually using their 1st round picks for proven players to stay competitive and hope for a lucky break. Now, I have no idea what Miami's core values are nor what they are building towards, does anyone else have an answer except for shoot more 3s because it sure isn't defense with them trading for Rozier and probably sticking with Herro who might look a little different in the future if there's no true #1 on the roster to scheme against.

You'd think with hitting with Bam so many years ago they'd just try to hit at a different position but they really didn't.

[MartyConlonJr]

Is it alarming to anyone else the amount of money and assets Miami has thrown at the center position in the last 9 years? They've drafted 3-4 centers in that time, the first one HIT to the point he was given a max and a max extension yet they still drafted 2-3 more since deciding to hand him a max which they knew before drafting Precious. I looked at this since I was thinking about rebuilds and how many teams miss, even Philly who acquire 3 lottery rookie centers in consecutive years.

For Miami...
2016 - Max center Whiteside.
2017 - Draft Bam who will be an ALL-NBA center. (They saw something special in him, don't fault them for this)
2019 - Tries to trade Dragic not Whiteside to acquire Butler in a S&T, later had to change to trade Whiteside.
2020 - Drafts project center Precious, doesn't play 1 minute with Bam.
2020 - Hands Bam a max contract.
2022 - Drafts project PF/C Jovic and sends him to Sioux Falls to work on being a center, changes back to PF.
2024 - Drafts project center Ware.
2024 - Gives Bam max extension.

This is also why I never liked rebuilds and before following Miami in 2019 loved the idea of Miami never going into rebuilds and usually using their 1st round picks for proven players to stay competitive and hope for a lucky break. Now, I have no idea what Miami's core values are nor what they are building towards, does anyone else have an answer except for shoot more 3s because it sure isn't defense with them trading for Rozier and probably sticking with Herro who might look a little different in the future if there's no true #1 on the roster to scheme against.

You'd think with hitting with Bam so many years ago they'd just try to hit at a different position but they really didn't.

I don't know about all this. Firstly I think by the time they drafted Bam, they already knew Whiteside wasn't it. Bosh had gone down with blood clots and Bam was their BPA. Not sure they saw him as a C or a PF either.

I do not recall Miami wanting to move Dragic instead of Whiteside in trade. I know by the time that trade happened we were all happy to see Whiteside gone.

I thought Precious was drafted with the idea he was a stretch 5 that would play with Bam, yes that never panned out, but Precious was a project pick too.

You are forgetting that the draft before that Miami went for a shooting guard in Herro, and then traded Bol Bol (a center) for KZ Okpala. If they were searching for a C, they'd have kept Bol Bol.

Then they drafted Nikola Jovic, but I don't think he was ever touted as a Center, more a tall wing. At 27th pick I think it was just BPA and a player with potential being that young that they could mold in G-League. I think they played him at C in G-League just to diversify. I don't think they were grooming him to be Miami's Center.

Then they drafted Jaime Jaquez Jr as a SF.

Kel'el Ware is true, and I think they've realised Bam should ideally be a PF with his versatility.

In summary I think Precious and Ware are two attempts to find a stretch big to pair with Bam to use his versatility. They've otherwise focused on wings in the draft with Herro, Jaime and Nikola. Whiteside era was over before Bam IMO, but maybe that is revisionist history. I am more baffled at their lack of focus over the years at getting a PG, which we seem to have never have locked down as a position.

[twix2500]

Is it alarming to anyone else the amount of money and assets Miami has thrown at the center position in the last 9 years? They've drafted 3-4 centers in that time, the first one HIT to the point he was given a max and a max extension yet they still drafted 2-3 more since deciding to hand him a max which they knew before drafting Precious. I looked at this since I was thinking about rebuilds and how many teams miss, even Philly who acquire 3 lottery rookie centers in consecutive years.

For Miami...
2016 - Max center Whiteside.
2017 - Draft Bam who will be an ALL-NBA center. (They saw something special in him, don't fault them for this)
2019 - Tries to trade Dragic not Whiteside to acquire Butler in a S&T, later had to change to trade Whiteside.
2020 - Drafts project center Precious, doesn't play 1 minute with Bam.
2020 - Hands Bam a max contract.
2022 - Drafts project PF/C Jovic and sends him to Sioux Falls to work on being a center, changes back to PF.
2024 - Drafts project center Ware.
2024 - Gives Bam max extension.

This is also why I never liked rebuilds and before following Miami in 2019 loved the idea of Miami never going into rebuilds and usually using their 1st round picks for proven players to stay competitive and hope for a lucky break. Now, I have no idea what Miami's core values are nor what they are building towards, does anyone else have an answer except for shoot more 3s because it sure isn't defense with them trading for Rozier and probably sticking with Herro who might look a little different in the future if there's no true #1 on the roster to scheme against.

You'd think with hitting with Bam so many years ago they'd just try to hit at a different position but they really didn't.

I don't know about all this. Firstly I think by the time they drafted Bam, they already knew Whiteside wasn't it. Bosh had gone down with blood clots and Bam was their BPA. Not sure they saw him as a C or a PF either.

I do not recall Miami wanting to move Dragic instead of Whiteside in trade. I know by the time that trade happened we were all happy to see Whiteside gone.

I thought Precious was drafted with the idea he was a stretch 5 that would play with Bam, yes that never panned out, but Precious was a project pick too.

You are forgetting that the draft before that Miami went for a shooting guard in Herro, and then traded Bol Bol (a center) for KZ Okpala. If they were searching for a C, they'd have kept Bol Bol.

Then they drafted Nikola Jovic, but I don't think he was ever touted as a Center, more a tall wing. At 27th pick I think it was just BPA and a player with potential being that young that they could mold in G-League. I think they played him at C in G-League just to diversify. I don't think they were grooming him to be Miami's Center.

Then they drafted Jaime Jaquez Jr as a SF.

Kel'el Ware is true, and I think they've realised Bam should ideally be a PF with his versatility.

In summary I think Precious and Ware are two attempts to find a stretch big to pair with Bam to use his versatility. They've otherwise focused on wings in the draft with Herro, Jaime and Nikola. Whiteside era was over before Bam IMO, but maybe that is revisionist history. I am more baffled at their lack of focus over the years at getting a PG, which we seem to have never have locked down as a position.

People quickly forget. Jovic grew since being drafted. He was a 6'8 point guard. He was going thru a growth spurt around the time the draft. The Precious complaint is short hindsight. He was a project, they knew he wasnt gonna be ready his rookie season to play next to Bam. The ideal big has never been a center next to Bam, the idea is to find a combo big. So its either get a center who can develop into a powerforward or a powerforward who can develop into a center. We keep setting ourselves up for disappointment to expect an obvious developmental player to be ready his rookie season on a title inspired roster. We are gonna see it this year, everyone is gonna cry about Ware not playing. And when he does play many gonna cry how he is not ready or playing next to Bam.

[twix2500]

The eye needs to be still on Brandon Ingram

[AirP.]

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Is it alarming to anyone else the amount of money and assets Miami has thrown at the center position in the last 9 years? They've drafted 3-4 centers in that time, the first one HIT to the point he was given a max and a max extension yet they still drafted 2-3 more since deciding to hand him a max which they knew before drafting Precious. I looked at this since I was thinking about rebuilds and how many teams miss, even Philly who acquire 3 lottery rookie centers in consecutive years.

For Miami...
2016 - Max center Whiteside.
2017 - Draft Bam who will be an ALL-NBA center. (They saw something special in him, don't fault them for this)
2019 - Tries to trade Dragic not Whiteside to acquire Butler in a S&T, later had to change to trade Whiteside.
2020 - Drafts project center Precious, doesn't play 1 minute with Bam.
2020 - Hands Bam a max contract.
2022 - Drafts project PF/C Jovic and sends him to Sioux Falls to work on being a center, changes back to PF.
2024 - Drafts project center Ware.
2024 - Gives Bam max extension.

This is also why I never liked rebuilds and before following Miami in 2019 loved the idea of Miami never going into rebuilds and usually using their 1st round picks for proven players to stay competitive and hope for a lucky break. Now, I have no idea what Miami's core values are nor what they are building towards, does anyone else have an answer except for shoot more 3s because it sure isn't defense with them trading for Rozier and probably sticking with Herro who might look a little different in the future if there's no true #1 on the roster to scheme against.

You'd think with hitting with Bam so many years ago they'd just try to hit at a different position but they really didn't.

I don't know about all this. Firstly I think by the time they drafted Bam, they already knew Whiteside wasn't it. Bosh had gone down with blood clots and Bam was their BPA. Not sure they saw him as a C or a PF either.

Sure which brings in the question of the money they gave him.

I do not recall Miami wanting to move Dragic instead of Whiteside in trade. I know by the time that trade happened we were all happy to see Whiteside gone.

At the beginning of the night it was reported that the Mavericks were acquiring Goran Dragic as part of a three-team trade with the Philadelphia 76ers and the Miami Heat. A league source then told SportsDay's Brad Townsend that Dallas changed its mind about acquiring Dragic, a mentor of fellow Slovenian Luka Doncic, because it wanted to keep its options open for further moves this summer.

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2019/07/01/mavericks-pull-out-of-three-team-trade-dallas-no-longer-acquiring-goran-dragic/

I thought Precious was drafted with the idea he was a stretch 5 that would play with Bam, yes that never panned out, but Precious was a project pick too.

The issue was Maxey, Bane and Quickly were on the board still. I remember this board favored Maxey as the pick.

You are forgetting that the draft before that Miami went for a shooting guard in Herro, and then traded Bol Bol (a center) for KZ Okpala. If they were searching for a C, they'd have kept Bol Bol.

Oh, I remember that, I'm just mentioning all the assets that have went towards the center position which was locked down after the 2020 run with Bam at center.

Then they drafted Nikola Jovic, but I don't think he was ever touted as a Center, more a tall wing. At 27th pick I think it was just BPA and a player with potential being that young that they could mold in G-League. I think they played him at C in G-League just to diversify. I don't think they were grooming him to be Miami's Center.

Sure but most thought he was still growing and with that growth they tried to turn him into a center vs a big SF or PF, Butler was on the side of not turning him into a Center which he saw done to a similar talent in Chicago named Niko Mirotic, they had him gain weight and took away his advantages as a PF with size by making him slower.

Then they drafted Jaime Jaquez Jr as a SF.

Kel'el Ware is true, and I think they've realised Bam should ideally be a PF with his versatility.

They realized he was a PF after making all-nba teams as a center and being given 2 max contracts as a center? If Bam gets moved to PF his value will drop, the offense will go more of a drop offense taking away some of his and the team's uniqueness to be able to switch on everything if they want to (which they have decided to move away from).

In summary I think Precious and Ware are two attempts to find a stretch big to pair with Bam to use his versatility. They've otherwise focused on wings in the draft with Herro, Jaime and Nikola. Whiteside era was over before Bam IMO, but maybe that is revisionist history. I am more baffled at their lack of focus over the years at getting a PG, which we seem to have never have locked down as a position.

So... 3 wings which makes sense with an aging Jimmy Butler, 2 centers with Bam not even in his prime and now just hitting his prime seems nuts. What is missing out of these 3 picks? A young talented PG? Maybe a real PF vs an older vet like Crowder, Harkless, Tucker (who was the last cheap PF standing in free agency), Strus/Martin and now Jovic who is getting pulled after the 1st half?

I just see a focus on the center position way more than any other position WHILE they have an all-nba talent already there. I really don't get the push for him being PF other than the roster is being pushed towards less care about the defense with the hope of more offense.

[AirP.]

People quickly forget. Jovic grew since being drafted. He was a 6'8 point guard. He was going thru a growth spurt around the time the draft. The Precious complaint is short hindsight. He was a project, they knew he wasnt gonna be ready his rookie season to play next to Bam. The ideal big has never been a center next to Bam, the idea is to find a combo big. So its either get a center who can develop into a powerforward or a powerforward who can develop into a center. We keep setting ourselves up for disappointment to expect an obvious developmental player to be ready his rookie season on a title inspired roster. We are gonna see it this year, everyone is gonna cry about Ware not playing. And when he does play many gonna cry how he is not ready or playing next to Bam.

He was a SF at the time, very young and expected to grow some and with that Miami looked to turn him into a center vs a big forward for whatever reason, Butler and others pushed back and now we have Jovic at PF currently.

I don't think Ware is anywhere near ready to play and I'm not sure he'll ever be ready although Miami took the risk of changing his overall motor. Yes, you can amp up players to play hard and give effort for a small specific amount of time, but over the long term it's really hard to change a player's motor night in and night out, usually they have it or they don't. He has size and he has talent, so does Christian Wood but he's never stuck with anyone, teams just hoped to change him. Hopefully Ware will be different in Miami in this situation. It's just hard to watch a guard get beat and Ware having no interest in helping from time to time or Ware (the spacing center) setting a pick and instead of staying out at the 3pt line for spacing, instantly dive to clog the lane removing the open lane his teammates had to the basket.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I wish we had Pritchard, he just checks in the game and goes fuxkin crazy every time

[twix2500]

People quickly forget. Jovic grew since being drafted. He was a 6'8 point guard. He was going thru a growth spurt around the time the draft. The Precious complaint is short hindsight. He was a project, they knew he wasnt gonna be ready his rookie season to play next to Bam. The ideal big has never been a center next to Bam, the idea is to find a combo big. So its either get a center who can develop into a powerforward or a powerforward who can develop into a center. We keep setting ourselves up for disappointment to expect an obvious developmental player to be ready his rookie season on a title inspired roster. We are gonna see it this year, everyone is gonna cry about Ware not playing. And when he does play many gonna cry how he is not ready or playing next to Bam.

He was a SF at the time, very young and expected to grow some and with that Miami looked to turn him into a center vs a big forward for whatever reason, Butler and others pushed back and now we have Jovic at PF currently.

I don't think Ware is anywhere near ready to play and I'm not sure he'll ever be ready although Miami took the risk of changing his overall motor. Yes, you can amp up players to play hard and give effort for a small specific amount of time, but over the long term it's really hard to change a player's motor night in and night out, usually they have it or they don't. He has size and he has talent, so does Christian Wood but he's never stuck with anyone, teams just hoped to change him. Hopefully Ware will be different in Miami in this situation. It's just hard to watch a guard get beat and Ware having no interest in helping from time to time or Ware (the spacing center) setting a pick and instead of staying out at the 3pt line for spacing, instantly dive to clog the lane removing the open lane his teammates had to the basket.

They are trying to find a big to HELP bam in the front court which is hard to find. It is easy to find wings to help Butler. Martin, Iggy, Crowder, Tucker and Highsmith are all wings that help Butler. They were looking for guards to help Herro, Westbrook, Paul, Vincent, Nunn, Lowry, Oladipo. In general bigs are hard to find. The Heat wanted to keep Olynyk as a frontcourt pair with Bam.

Whiteside has nothing to do with this build. After Bosh was gone for good, Whiteside was just an trade asset. You have to factor in the Heat didnt have picks to trade because of the big three and dragic trade. Out all of the crap poster gave on signing Waiters, Johnson and Whiteside, the Heat successfully did what they were trying to do, develop them into trade assets. They were able to trade Whiteside, Johnson, and Waiters into Jimmy Butler, Iggy and Crowder (was suppose to be Gallinari but couldnt agree to a new contract). After Bosh went down, the Heat didnt have any trade assets except for Dragic. They made Whiteside, Waiters and Johnson trade assest out of NOTHING.

There are things you are not taking in consideration which is understandable becaue you wasnt following the Heat at that point. Winslow was being developed as a point guard. Going into to camp Winslow was going to be the starting point going into Butler first season. Unfortunately Winslow had Thotitis and swimming with dolphins during his Thotitis therapy. And a lot of people here forget. It was suppose to be PG: Winslow, SG: Waiters, SF: Butler going into camp. Nunn and Duncan beat out Waiters for the starting shooting guard spot.

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[twix2500]

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People quickly forget. Jovic grew since being drafted. He was a 6'8 point guard. He was going thru a growth spurt around the time the draft. The Precious complaint is short hindsight. He was a project, they knew he wasnt gonna be ready his rookie season to play next to Bam. The ideal big has never been a center next to Bam, the idea is to find a combo big. So its either get a center who can develop into a powerforward or a powerforward who can develop into a center. We keep setting ourselves up for disappointment to expect an obvious developmental player to be ready his rookie season on a title inspired roster. We are gonna see it this year, everyone is gonna cry about Ware not playing. And when he does play many gonna cry how he is not ready or playing next to Bam.

He was a SF at the time, very young and expected to grow some and with that Miami looked to turn him into a center vs a big forward for whatever reason, Butler and others pushed back and now we have Jovic at PF currently.

I don't think Ware is anywhere near ready to play and I'm not sure he'll ever be ready although Miami took the risk of changing his overall motor. Yes, you can amp up players to play hard and give effort for a small specific amount of time, but over the long term it's really hard to change a player's motor night in and night out, usually they have it or they don't. He has size and he has talent, so does Christian Wood but he's never stuck with anyone, teams just hoped to change him. Hopefully Ware will be different in Miami in this situation. It's just hard to watch a guard get beat and Ware having no interest in helping from time to time or Ware (the spacing center) setting a pick and instead of staying out at the 3pt line for spacing, instantly dive to clog the lane removing the open lane his teammates had to the basket.

They are trying to find a big to HELP bam in the front court which is hard to find. It is easy to find wings to help Butler. Martin, Iggy, Crowder, Tucker and Highsmith are all wings that help Butler. They were looking for guards to help Herro, Westbrook, Paul, Vincent, Nunn, Lowry, Oladipo. In general bigs are hard to find. The Heat wanted to keep Olynyk as a frontcourt pair with Bam.

Whiteside has nothing to do with this build. After Bosh was gone for good, Whiteside was just an trade asset. You have to factor in the Heat didnt have picks to trade because of the big three and dragic trade. Out all of the crap poster gave on signing Waiters, Johnson and Whiteside, the Heat successfully did what they were trying to do, develop them into trade assets. They were able to trade Whiteside, Johnson, and Waiters into Jimmy Butler, Iggy and Crowder (was suppose to be Gallinari but couldnt agree to a new contract). After Bosh went down, the Heat didnt have any trade assets except for Dragic. They made Whiteside, Waiters and Johnson trade assest out of NOTHING.

There are things you are not taking in consideration which is understandable becaue you wasnt following the Heat at that point. Winslow was being developed as a point guard. Going into to camp Winslow was going to be the starting point going into Butler first season. Unfortunately Winslow had Thotitis and swimming with dolphins during his Thotitis therapy. And a lot of people here forget. It was suppose to be PG: Winslow, SG: Waiters, SF: Butler going into camp. Nunn and Duncan beat out Waiters for the starting shooting guard spot.

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Overall the first round picks were Winslow (wing), Bam (PF when they tested his 3 point shot), Herro (wing), Precious (same a Bam), Jovic (wing), Ware (center)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bucks are on their last straw I’d say

[twix2500]

Bucks are on their last straw I’d say

I will be surprise if they break up the team. Likely fire the coaching staff

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Bucks are on their last straw I’d say

I will be surprise if they break up the team. Likely fire the coaching staff

They did that already, when the team was actually good lol

[twix2500]

Bucks are on their last straw I’d say

I will be surprise if they break up the team. Likely fire the coaching staff

They did that already, when the team was actually good lol

I know that why I think they know they eff up and get another coach again

[Enso]

Bucks are on their last straw I’d say

I will be surprise if they break up the team. Likely fire the coaching staff

They did that already, when the team was actually good lol

They gotta do it again lol

[Enso]

Either way if you break up the team you think doc would want to stick around for a rebuild ?

Get rid of him first and if the team doesn’t recover then you break up the team.