PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

The roster is not good. That's on Jon Horst, paying the piper for valuing picks as incentives to get vets rather than potential future gains.

If all reports are to be believed, then Horst identified the correct basketball mind to replace Bud (if they were going to do so) and got vetoed both times. That's not his fault, and shows he has some good basketball sense. Hopefully for him, as a human being, it helps him get his next job.

he had no choice. giannis instructed him thru the media that he needed to make the big splashs. he did and now we suck but giannis is under contract. if you want future gains then start moving who has the best value for the future.

this time maybe giannis can talk to horst in an office about what he wants next instead of sending smoke in the media. im ok if he stays but the rest of the roster needs to get liquidated

[rilamann]

Kind of crazy to think that only a month ago I was a pessimistic jerk.

Because I thought the Bucks would only win around 50 games and I thought they had a 50/50 chance to maybe win a playoff series if they were healthy and got a favorable match-up in round 1.

Turns out I was actually being a homer.....lol.

[Bernman]

he had no choice. giannis instructed him thru the media that he needed to make the big splashs. he did and now we suck but giannis is under contract. if you want future gains then start moving who has the best value for the future.

this time maybe giannis can talk to horst in an office about what he wants next instead of sending smoke in the media. im ok if he stays but the rest of the roster needs to get liquidated

But nobody said he couldn't get a longer term piece, who supplies more d, like in the DeJounte Murray mold. And that would have sunk less $ into the player + picks in the trade. Heck, you might have gotten it straight up for Jrue.

I was for trading Jrue & many are resorting to revisionist history about his playoff tenure here. 3 bad offensive performance, & 1 on d even. But an older, high-priced, high-investment, questionable d (and it turns out o) fit like Dame wasn't my optimum option then, let alone now.

[ReddoverKobe]

Are we the Jets of the NBA?

[BigO]

Jrue Holiday is so much better when he is the fourth or fifth option offensively and he is next to three very good perimeter defenders besides himself defensively. You cannot analyze him without looking at who he plays with.

Stevens constructed a roster of five shooters and four well above average defenders. Bucks have few shooters and few defenders.

Their only chance is they have a superstar and two other quality players, if healthy.

[ReddoverKobe]

he had no choice. giannis instructed him thru the media that he needed to make the big splashs. he did and now we suck but giannis is under contract. if you want future gains then start moving who has the best value for the future.

this time maybe giannis can talk to horst in an office about what he wants next instead of sending smoke in the media. im ok if he stays but the rest of the roster needs to get liquidated

But nobody said he couldn't get a longer term piece, who supplies more d, like in the DeJounte Murray mold. And that would have sunk less $ into the player + picks in the trade. Heck, you might have gotten it straight up for Jrue.

I was for trading Jrue & many are resorting to revisionist history about his playoff tenure here. 3 bad offensive performance, & 1 on d even. But an older and/or high-price/investment guy like Dame wasn't my optimum option then, let alone now.

Before the Dame trade I remember seeing a lot of ideas centered around Sexton and really wanted to see how that might have worked. Also not going to lie I was all in on Dame and man has that been a let down.

[ShootingtheJ]

27 ppg, 4 rebs, and 6 assist is cooked. Bucks need more cooked guys.

Now do Westbrook’s stats from some of his seasons.

It doesn’t win games. And you can’t have a functioning defense with him in there.

But your forgetting about bobby as well. He is just not a good defender.

Not the day to pick on Bobby. He showed up today. Celtics tried to attack him, and he survived.

[RogerMurdock]

I was playing Sea of Thieves while looking over my shoulder at the game.

[MVP2110]

It's so frustrating watching the Bucks lose the math battle every single game. We make winning much harder than it should be.

[steger_3434]

Kind of crazy to think that only a month ago I was a pessimistic jerk.

Because I thought the Bucks would only win around 50 games and I thought they had a 50/50 chance to maybe win a playoff series if they were healthy and got a favorable match-up in round 1.

Turns out I was actually being a homer.....lol.

I just looked at the thread. I was 49 wins and a first round loss. I must have had the rose colored glasses on


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[JayMKE]

It shouldn’t be a shock that the guy who plays defense, moves the ball, and is literally a more efficient shooter wins more than the PPGz ball pounder who hasn’t shown an ounce of passion since getting traded here.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

he had no choice. giannis instructed him thru the media that he needed to make the big splashs. he did and now we suck but giannis is under contract. if you want future gains then start moving who has the best value for the future.

this time maybe giannis can talk to horst in an office about what he wants next instead of sending smoke in the media. im ok if he stays but the rest of the roster needs to get liquidated

But nobody said he couldn't get a longer term piece, who supplies more d, like in the DeJounte Murray mold. And that would have sunk less $ into the player + picks in the trade. Heck, you might have gotten it straight up for Jrue.

I was for trading Jrue & many are resorting to revisionist history about his playoff tenure here. 3 bad offensive performance, & 1 on d even. But an older, high-priced, high-investment, questionable d (and it turns out o) fit like Dame wasn't my optimum option then, let alone now.

murray instead of dame is pretty bold. personally i could get on board with alot of different personnel directions. i just wish bud was here to sign off on them. back when he was here it seemed like whoever we had overperformed. before and after its been the opposite

[msiris]

Now do Westbrook’s stats from some of his seasons.

It doesn’t win games. And you can’t have a functioning defense with him in there.

But your forgetting about bobby as well. He is just not a good defender.

Not the day to pick on Bobby. He showed up today. Celtics tried to attack him, and he survived.

Sorry but he can't guard the outside and he to easy to push arounnd on the inside. He gave up some rebounds to smaller guysas well. Yeah he tries.

[tydett]

I was playing Sea of Thieves while looking over my shoulder at the game.

Big fan of the "What is Kareem RogerMurdock doing instead of watching the Bucks game" series of posts

[Matches Malone]

Imagine being this much of a baby back bitch.

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[yb90]

Rivers and missing Middleton are both far bigger issues than Dame. There should be way more anger directed towards the owners and Middleton than Dame, easily.

I am no fan of Dame.

But you're probably right. Dame and Giannis are a horrible fit, but a good - not even great - head coach could probably get around 50 wins with this roster and maybe even a playoff series win if you get a favorable match-up in round 1.

With Doc we'll be lucky to get to 40 wins. Doc is horrible,

I think they fit well but the offense around them is silly. They run the same sets with the same motion that teams can jump on. How many times did Prince or AJ get stuck tied up trying to set a screen for Lillard to run off the hand-off screen with Giannis high. Dame needs to run more side PnRs similar to the ones Pat always run with Giannis. It's the same action Middleton runs with Giannis that puts team on their heels.

Another thing that hurts is that most of the others are in a terrible slump from 3. The constant open 3 bricks are killing the Bucks because they only have two players that can attack the rim and score or create.

[Bernman]

murray instead of dame is pretty bold. personally i could get on board with alot of different personnel directions. i just wish bud was here to sign off on them. back when he was here it seemed like whoever we had overperformed. before and after its been the opposite

Dejounte murray for 3 less 1st rounders to maintain assets, a future, & a better fit would have been the conservative route.

We needed the Jrue trade more than changing a coach. We could have just tried the 1st 1 initially, especially after Bud's bro died.

[Ryan5UW]

Owners need to stop meddling and Horst needs to be fired who it best option out there to overhaul our front office

Wonder if Bob Myers wants to get back into basketball.

[drone3]

History has shown that we work best with a strong defensive backcourt. Play Rollins and Ajax or Rollins and Green and watch us come back to life. Any Giannis team revolves around the fast break. Dame is being targeted and isolation O is antiquated, at least freakin cut to create movement and a vacuum for driving lanes

[blazza18]

Imagine being this much of a baby back bitch.

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Champs can say what they want I guess but this is just really really weird. It's ok to have fun.