PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

[Bernman]

History has shown that we work best with a strong defensive backcourt. Play Rollins and Ajax or Rollins and Green and watch us come back to life. Any Giannis team revolves around the fast break. Dame is being targeted and isolation O is antiquated, at least freakin cut to create movement and a vacuum for driving lanes

It is pretty lame that a guy is brought in purely for his offense, and he's a so-so passer, who struggles off the ball. It does foster doubts you could construct a team where he realistically wins a championship.

I do think Dame needs to be introspective and figure out if he wants his legacy to be as a winning player or just a fun one that can fill. That means embracing being off ball half the time so he can play w/ other stars. And providing effort + anticipation on d.

[BUCKnation]

Imagine being this much of a baby back bitch.

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[fansinceforever]

Kind of crazy to think that only a month ago I was a pessimistic jerk.

Because I thought the Bucks would only win around 50 games and I thought they had a 50/50 chance to maybe win a playoff series if they were healthy and got a favorable match-up in round 1.

Turns out I was actually being a homer.....lol.

You (we and a few others) were right all summer.

On another topic. Guys, Middleton coming back means nothing other than a potential trade asset. They'll continue to find ways to lose.

[PintSizedBox10]

Brown crying over a fake handshake lol. The NBA is ridiculously soft. If it was me I'd hammer him the next time he goes to the basket

[HKPackFan]

as bad as dame looked, I'm not sure jrue makes us materially better as #2. Just extremely disappointing we got someone like Dame and he immediately becomes cooked.

Bucks would be better if you swapped Dame for Jrue. I don't know if the Bucks would necessarily be contenders with Jrue, but they would be a top # 5 seed. Maybe the #5 seed, but they would be top #5 IMO. And currently wouldn't sit at 2-9 or whatever their record is now lol.

For the record, I don't think the Bucks would be contenders with Jrue right now.

It's just ironic to me that Jrue is an underrated winner and is 110% pure class as a human being. Dame on the other hand is easily one of the most overrated players in NBA history and they were traded for each other. I just think that is ironic and I would think it was hilarious if I wasn't a Bucks fan. And for the record on that, I thought Dame was pretty overrated long before he was a Buck.

Dame has nights where he looks good when he hits a bunch of 3's and the logo 3's make for really cool highlights. But I just don't think he's a winning player over the course of an 8 month NBA season. I used to always get into heated debates with a friend of mine over this around 2018, 2019 when Dame was really hyped up. He loves Dame and I would tell him pretty much what I just said about Dame in this post. Great individual offensive talent, the logo 3's look really cool. But not a winning player.

And I don't think Dame magically became cooked or washed during his plane flight from Portland to Milwaukee.

Dame has looked like he wants absolutely no part of being in Milwaukee from the moment he got here.

And if you have watched basketball for 30+ years, you can tell Dame is not cooked. His head and heart isn't in it. He doesn't want to be in Milwaukee, he never did.

Think about it, a month before we traded for Dame, Dame and his agent literally got a memo from the league warning them that they were about to get fined for trying to force their way to Miami. Then he ends up in Milwaukee. He's not cooked, he is disgruntled because he's in Milwaukee and not Miami.

Overall, the last 5 years has been a fun ride as Bucks fans and now with Lillard on board, the best might be yet to come.

I was a bit onery last season I admit. But to be fair, someone is going to read my posts on here from the 2022'23 season 30 years from now while knowing the final of that season and be like, How did that rilamann guy know that was going to happen.

Now that Bud is gone and Lillard is a member of the Bucks, I highly doubt I will be using the term ''frauds'' to describe this year's version of the Bucks.

I think part of the Buck's problem last season was things got a bit stale and also they got a bit too comfortable and a bit complacent.

Lillard is starving for a championship, so I don't think complacency will be an issue anymore. Lillard's hunger for a title I think will fuel Giannis and give him kind of a refreshed drive and motivation.

On the court is huge, but I think the Bucks also needed this type of trade for those reasons as well.

I can't wait to say.

Dame from the F in Forum!!!

Damn, that's all we gave up?

I was kind meh on getting Lillard just because I thought we would have to give up half the team for him. This is pretty incredible.

Being a Bucks fan has been fun the last 5 years or so...lol

If I had the choice of trading Jrue or Khris for Dame, I would actually rather keep Khris.

Jrue might be the better player over Khris at this point in their careers, but I think that with Giannis and Dame, Khris is the better fit. Plus we've been wanting to Khris as the #3 guy for a long time now.

We lose the defense with Jrue, but Dame will be able to be aggressive and gamble on the perimeter with Giannis and Brook waiting down low.

High praise in the trade thread for a player you have been arguing is overrated since 2018. And odd the most underrated player in the league you preferred to trade for the most overrated player, and you wanted to keep Khris.

I'm pretty sure you were also posting like a kid during Christmas saying things like, you can't even ask for anything more, now that Dame is in Milwaukee.

[Baddy Chuck]

Jaylen Brown should change the frequency of his necklace from butthurt.

[Wonka]

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Jaylen Brown is a massive b*tch. He’s always mad about something. That victim mentality hits hard.

[randy84]

as bad as dame looked, I'm not sure jrue makes us materially better as #2. Just extremely disappointing we got someone like Dame and he immediately becomes cooked.

Bucks would be better if you swapped Dame for Jrue. I don't know if the Bucks would necessarily be contenders with Jrue, but they would be a top # 5 seed. Maybe the #5 seed, but they would be top #5 IMO. And currently wouldn't sit at 2-9 or whatever their record is now lol.

For the record, I don't think the Bucks would be contenders with Jrue right now.

It's just ironic to me that Jrue is an underrated winner and is 110% pure class as a human being. Dame on the other hand is easily one of the most overrated players in NBA history and they were traded for each other. I just think that is ironic and I would think it was hilarious if I wasn't a Bucks fan. And for the record on that, I thought Dame was pretty overrated long before he was a Buck.

Dame has nights where he looks good when he hits a bunch of 3's and the logo 3's make for really cool highlights. But I just don't think he's a winning player over the course of an 8 month NBA season. I used to always get into heated debates with a friend of mine over this around 2018, 2019 when Dame was really hyped up. He loves Dame and I would tell him pretty much what I just said about Dame in this post. Great individual offensive talent, the logo 3's look really cool. But not a winning player.

And I don't think Dame magically became cooked or washed during his plane flight from Portland to Milwaukee.

Dame has looked like he wants absolutely no part of being in Milwaukee from the moment he got here.

And if you have watched basketball for 30+ years, you can tell Dame is not cooked. His head and heart isn't in it. He doesn't want to be in Milwaukee, he never did.

Think about it, a month before we traded for Dame, Dame and his agent literally got a memo from the league warning them that they were about to get fined for trying to force their way to Miami. Then he ends up in Milwaukee. He's not cooked, he is disgruntled because he's in Milwaukee and not Miami.

Overall, the last 5 years has been a fun ride as Bucks fans and now with Lillard on board, the best might be yet to come.

I was a bit onery last season I admit. But to be fair, someone is going to read my posts on here from the 2022'23 season 30 years from now while knowing the final of that season and be like, How did that rilamann guy know that was going to happen.

Now that Bud is gone and Lillard is a member of the Bucks, I highly doubt I will be using the term ''frauds'' to describe this year's version of the Bucks.

I think part of the Buck's problem last season was things got a bit stale and also they got a bit too comfortable and a bit complacent.

Lillard is starving for a championship, so I don't think complacency will be an issue anymore. Lillard's hunger for a title I think will fuel Giannis and give him kind of a refreshed drive and motivation.

On the court is huge, but I think the Bucks also needed this type of trade for those reasons as well.

I can't wait to say.

Dame from the F in Forum!!!

Damn, that's all we gave up?

I was kind meh on getting Lillard just because I thought we would have to give up half the team for him. This is pretty incredible.

Being a Bucks fan has been fun the last 5 years or so...lol

If I had the choice of trading Jrue or Khris for Dame, I would actually rather keep Khris.

Jrue might be the better player over Khris at this point in their careers, but I think that with Giannis and Dame, Khris is the better fit. Plus we've been wanting to Khris as the #3 guy for a long time now.

We lose the defense with Jrue, but Dame will be able to be aggressive and gamble on the perimeter with Giannis and Brook waiting down low.

High praise in the trade thread for a player you have been arguing is overrated since 2018. And odd the most underrated player in the league you preferred to trade for the most overrated player, and you wanted to keep Khris.

I'm pretty sure you were also posting like a kid during Christmas saying things like, you can't even ask for anything more, now that Dame is in Milwaukee.

[pifhluk23]

as bad as dame looked, I'm not sure jrue makes us materially better as #2. Just extremely disappointing we got someone like Dame and he immediately becomes cooked.

27 ppg, 4 rebs, and 6 assist is cooked. Bucks need more cooked guys.

Now do Westbrook’s stats from some of his seasons.

It doesn’t win games. And you can’t have a functioning defense with him in there.

Half the guards in the league don't play defense. The Mavs made the Finals with two of them...

The entire team around Giannis and Dame is just horrifically bad. We might have the worst 4-12 in the entire league.

[Matches Malone]

Good on Giannis for taking the high road. Also he said during this that he likes to surround himself with young people so he can stay young. Maybe you can talk him into a re-tool with youngsters and tell him he'll feel real young lmao.

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[0BobLobLaw0]

I think the question is....was throwing away the future in the Jrue trade worth it?

100% it was. The gamble brought a championship I never thought I'd see.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Jrue might be one of the most underrated players in NBA history. Dame is one of the most overrated players in NBA history.

Might be the most lopsided trades in NBA history from that perspective.

Hey hey HEY. ANYONE WITH A BRAIN WOULD'VE MADE THAT TRADE!!!!!

I was mayor of the lonely Dame is overrated island for years but even I thought it was a worthwhile gamble. Figured Giannis could cover some of his defensive issues and his effort would be better on a contender. But it was absolutely a gamble considering his contract and age as a little guy.

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[paulpressey25]

Dude, your Dame agenda is getting embarrassing at this point. Jrue’s a great player but he was absolutely a massive reason for our playoff failures during his time here. The window was slammed shut if we maxed him out and stuck with this same roster. Two picks, a swap, and Grayson’s salary weren’t yielding a player that was gonna change the outcome here.

I was in favor of the trade at the time. More importantly Giannis was in favor of the trade at the time.

However, it's going down as a new generation of Buck's fan version of the Ray Allen debacle. The only difference is we can probably salvage something very good in trade for Dame. I don't see a way through this otherwise. And you guys can bookmark this post and hopefully Dame leads us to great things in the playoffs.

[nagawicka]

The Jrue love is hilarious after everyone wanted him gone after Jimmy torched him in the playoffs.

Whaddya mean 'everyone'.
There's a reason a player like Jrue Holiday waives everyone off on defense to deal with Butler. It's not in character and I'll bet $5 he'd had it, felt he couldn't count on the other four on the floor to execute the defense. Who does that, unless it's for that reason.

If anyone thinks otherwise, lay out your grand explanation here & now.

Jrue - 15pts; Giannis - 43pts => Final 113-107 (L)

Giannis scores 55, 75 points *next time round* & the Celtics will STILL win with Holiday reliably dropping only 15pts and only six players scoring 12 or more. It's magical thinking to assert Holiday should've been able to shutdown Butler, score 25 to 35ppg, and compensate for Giannis' habitual decision-making, all while turning it up to playoff dominator mode 11. You can have Playoff Jrue when PJ's locking down a chunk on D, Khris is anchoring flow, and ball/scoring distribution is a real thing; you can't really complain Jrue wasn't doing all of these things at once. Sure he was ice cold. I mean, we had to address PG, POA defender, backup C; we did none of these things and didn't even look at Jay Huff. Meanwhile Jeff Teague is talking & laughing, b/c after all, *shrugging*, if Jrue Holiday can't flex to make it work, who can.

[nagawicka]

I don’t see how you can compare Jrue and Dame when Jrue gets to sit in the corner all game and make simple reads when the defense is in rotation.

I don't see how you can avoid comparing Jrue and Dame. Jrue had the exact same am-I-a-PG-or-a-2 role Dame is coping with; production by both nosedived 'inexplicably'. Now Dame can score 33 on the regular and Jrue can drop 15 every single game and the Celtics still win. Compare the two, please: the Bucks can choose to move the ball, they have that power.

[Wooderson]

I don’t see how you can compare Jrue and Dame when Jrue gets to sit in the corner all game and make simple reads when the defense is in rotation.

I don't see how you can avoid comparing Jrue and Dame. Jrue had the exact same am-I-a-PG-or-a-2 role Dame is coping with; production by both nosedived 'inexplicably'. Now Dame can score 33 on the regular and Jrue can drop 15 every single game and the Celtics still win. Compare the two, please: the Bucks can choose to move the ball, they have that power.

Jrue could sit out the entire season and the Celtics still win 60+ games

This year: Jrue on +10/100, Jrue off +12/100

Last year: Jrue on +10/100, Jrue off +15/100

They're just an insanely good team

[nagawicka]

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Jaylen Brown is a massive b*tch. He’s always mad about something. That victim mentality hits hard.

Nah, Mr. Competitive Giannis coudn't bring home a win. Brown was able to do that; yet Giannis for whom winning is so serious has time for psych handshakes, for fun & games? Anybody know if this occured *after the final buzzer*? Cuz if so, pretty cavalier, no respect to the guy who just beat him (by scoring 14-to-43 pts, no less), and at that point distribution not much respect for the other Bucks on the floor either.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

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Champs can say what they want I guess but this is just really really weird. It's ok to have fun.

it was a weird thing for Giannis to do

[benultimate]

I'm almost at a point where I'd be ok with shipping Dame for Lavine & Buzelis

[RogerMurdock]

Nah, Mr. Competitive Giannis coudn't bring home a win. Brown was able to do that; yet Giannis for whom winning is so serious has time for psych handshakes, for fun & games?