PG Celtics - Bucks Fade

rilamann · Post #141 » by **rilamann** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:30 am

blazza18 wrote:Dame had so many bad misses today. Wonder if he's simply not an early game kinda person.

He seems to be a hungover on Sunday person. This is a pretty obvious pattern going back to last season.

ShootingtheJ · Post #142 » by **ShootingtheJ** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:43 am

randy84 wrote:
rilamann wrote:Jrue might be one of the most underrated players in NBA history. Dame is one of the most overrated players in NBA history.

Might be the most lopsided trades in NBA history from that perspective.

Yeah, too bad GM Giannis got rid of Jrue.

Nah, we can rebuild our whole team dealing Dame. Jrue has no where near that value.

Packbuckman · Post #143 » by **Packbuckman** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:50 am

emunney wrote:I wish one of Green, Dre, or Rollins was a lanky forward.

I really would like to see more of Tyler Smith to see how he handles playing with Giannis at the 5

Indomitable · Post #144 » by **Indomitable** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:51 am

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
No, just move Dame. The rest can be rebuilt with just a Dame trade.

Who wants a 35 year old guy making 45 million

Harden keeps finding takers, we'll be able to cash in.

Harden did not get Philly anything but a cash dump.

ReginaldDwight · Post #145 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:53 am

The problem is our 3rd banana can't play in the NBA apparently anymore. Hes made of glass it seems. This is why I wanted to deal Khris when he still had some value. Now he's worth nothing cause he can't even play.

Post #146 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:05 am

MickeyDavis wrote:
slappyg wrote:I'm in the minority but I was encouraged by the play of the young guys, especially Rollins and Green. I had thought we were too old and done with no young talent at all. Have Dame play average instead of terrible and we win.

I don't think you're in the minority. Rollins, AJax and especially Green have stepped up when given the opportunity. Trent and Wright got benched (Trent has an "injury"). Pat is playing the fewest MPG in his 7 seasons here. So I guess that's the silver lining here. We're getting to see 3 young guys play meaningful minutes.

This is true and Doc deserves credit for this adjustment.

But the Celtics exploited AJax's offensive limitations today. They effectively left him unguarded and forced doubles at Giannis and Dame. The Bucks would be better off if AJax was actively involved in the offense instead of standing in the corner. Even putting him in P&Rs with Giannis and Dame would force the Celtics to adjust.

Post #147 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:08 am

Indomitable wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Indomitable wrote:Who wants a 35 year old guy making 45 million

Harden keeps finding takers, we'll be able to cash in.

Harden did not get Philly anything but a cash dump.

You mean besides the two first rounders, two second rounders, and a pick swap?

emunney · Post #148 » by **emunney** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:47 am

Packbuckman wrote:
emunney wrote:I wish one of Green, Dre, or Rollins was a lanky forward.

I really would like to see more of Tyler Smith to see how he handles playing with Giannis at the 5

I don't buy it, but hey, I'd be down for giving it a shot.

theFireBlanket · Post #149 » by **theFireBlanket** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:07 am

Packbuckman wrote:
emunney wrote:I wish one of Green, Dre, or Rollins was a lanky forward.

I really would like to see more of Tyler Smith to see how he handles playing with Giannis at the 5

He's earned more PT. An experiment worthy of pursuing

BUCKnation · Post #150 » by **BUCKnation** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:10 am

Tyler Smith is definitely not ready but he might be able to hit an open shot. You have to probably play him against a non threat, not super big guy.

Post #151 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:20 am

There are still only 2 Eastern teams over .500 and we're 3 games out of the 3 seed. Crazy.

Indomitable · Post #152 » by **Indomitable** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:24 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
Indomitable wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
Harden keeps finding takers, we'll be able to cash in.

Harden did not get Philly anything but a cash dump.

You mean besides the two first rounders, two second rounders, and a pick swap?

You will not get that for Lillard. But believe what you want.

Who wants Lillard besides possibly the Lakers.

yb90 · Post #153 » by **yb90** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:34 am

humanrefutation wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:
slappyg wrote:I'm in the minority but I was encouraged by the play of the young guys, especially Rollins and Green. I had thought we were too old and done with no young talent at all. Have Dame play average instead of terrible and we win.

I don't think you're in the minority. Rollins, AJax and especially Green have stepped up when given the opportunity. Trent and Wright got benched (Trent has an "injury"). Pat is playing the fewest MPG in his 7 seasons here. So I guess that's the silver lining here. We're getting to see 3 young guys play meaningful minutes.

This is true and Doc deserves credit for this adjustment.

But the Celtics exploited AJax's offensive limitations today. They effectively left him unguarded and forced doubles at Giannis and Dame. The Bucks would be better off if AJax was actively involved in the offense instead of standing in the corner. Even putting him in P&Rs with Giannis and Dame would force the Celtics to adjust.

They need to use him like Draymon Green on offense when teams play him like this. Use his passing ability and encourage to attack the rim to get his confidence going.

old skool · Post #154 » by **old skool** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:42 am

Fans can hope for endless "might as well give him a shot and see what we have", but at the end of the day, the coaches have had a chance to see what they have. If a Tyler Smith can't score on Bobby Portis or Marjon Beauchamp in practice, the coaches don't need to send him out against top flight NBA players to reinforce what they have already seen. The "might as well give him a shot so we know what we have" mentality seems to assume that the coaches have no idea "what they have" with the end of the roster players. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that the coaches have evaluated every player on the roster for physical attributes, athletic abilities, basketball know how, basketball skills and potential.

I also assume that the players know what other players can and cannot do. To the extent that if there was an NBA-ready player languishing on the bench or G-League, some player who speak up.

Conversely, it would be a super dumb move for coaches to give playing time to someone they evaluate to be a lesser option without some element of hope that the player can be an improvement over the other possibilities.

Moreover, none of this takes place in a vacuum. If end of the roster players get minutes over others that the coaching staff and rotation players feel are clearly more deserving of those minutes, it would make perfect sense for Giannis and others to demand a trade. Nobody wants to play for a clown show that doesn't put players on the court that give it the best chance to win. The coaches and players are in the best position to make those determinations.

old skool · Post #155 » by **old skool** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:54 am

The trade <<insert name here>> proposals are pretty lame.

Any player on the Bucks roster should be traded if the return will benefit the team. Ah, the return. That's the catch.

Trade Portis!

For Jae Crowder? Or Danilo Galinardi? Jordan Nwora?

I say trade Portis (or any Buck) if it makes the team better. That's the business. But pushing for a player to be traded for just anything is not a good idea. Lame.

blazza18 · Post #156 » by **blazza18** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:29 am

MickeyDavis wrote:There are still only 2 Eastern teams over .500 and we're 3 games out of the 3 seed. Crazy.

We're going to win 32 games and be the 5 seed.

drone3 · Post #157 » by **drone3** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 6:50 am

theFireBlanket wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:
emunney wrote:I wish one of Green, Dre, or Rollins was a lanky forward.

I really would like to see more of Tyler Smith to see how he handles playing with Giannis at the 5

He's earned more PT. An experiment worthy of pursuing

Highlight of this season is our young guys stepping up. If Smitty gets added to the mix I will be stoked

Baddy Chuck · Post #158 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 7:01 am

Indomitable wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
Indomitable wrote:Harden did not get Philly anything but a cash dump.

You mean besides the two first rounders, two second rounders, and a pick swap?

You will not get that for Lillard. But believe what you want.

Who wants Lillard besides possibly the Lakers.

Bears season is going bad too but there's gotta be better ways to let it out man.

Coach Carter · Post #159 » by **Coach Carter** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:05 am

This Celtic's version of Jrue is what I wanted for him here but with Khris injured and no real point guard, we asked way too much of Jrue and he failed (in the playoffs) because he's not that guy, at least as an attacking threat, yet some people seem forget this. Horst should've tried to bring in Schröder, would've been a perfect complement to Jrue. Lillard is obviously talented but just seems like a losing player. I'd have to see him with a decent coach though. Doc is here to collect a paycheck, he has nothing to offer.

drone3 · Post #160 » by **drone3** » Mon Nov 11, 2024 8:54 am

Coach Carter wrote:This Celtic's version of Jrue is what I wanted for him here but with Khris injured and no real point guard, we asked way too much of Jrue and he failed (in the playoffs) because he's not that guy, at least as an attacking threat, yet some people seem forget this. Horst should've tried to bring in Schröder, would've been a perfect complement to Jrue. Lillard is obviously talented but just seems like a losing player. I'd have to see him with a decent coach though. Doc is here to collect a paycheck, he has nothing to offer.

Just imagine Dame in the Steph roll with Kerr's motion O. There are so many ways to make this work... unfortunately we are stuck with Doc