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Bucks Have No Interest In Trading Giannis Antetokounmpo 

Post#1 » by RealGM Wiretap » Fri Nov 8, 2024 7:25 pm

The Milwaukee Bucks have no interest in entertaining trades for Giannis Antetokounmpo, sources tell ESPN.


"Teams have let the Bucks know in recent months they would make an offer for the Greek Freak if that day ever comes. But those are incoming calls, not outgoing and it's likely to remain that way," writes Brian Windhorst.  


Because the Bucks don't control their future draft picks, they are "heavily incentivized" to exhaust all options with Antetokounmpo. 


"The East doesn't look that formidable right now. If I were them I would play the long game and believe in Giannis and Dame," an East executive told ESPN. "The problem is I don't think they're beating Boston even if they hit their stride."


Antetokounmpo previously could have been a free agent in 2025, but he is not currently eligible until 2027. The Bucks signed Antetokounmpo to a three-year, $186 million extension before the 23-24 season after the team traded for Damian Lillard.

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Post#2 » by Pickled Prunes » Sat Nov 9, 2024 1:22 am

Well, of course they don't. But if it gets to the point where they have no other choice... they will still say the same thing.
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Post#3 » by eureca20 » Sat Nov 9, 2024 11:13 am

If you are trading all your picks unprotected then you probably want to be sure it's worth it. Trading for a small guard on the decline with some injury history is probably not the greatest idea.

It didn't go well last season. It's not going well so far this season. When Damian Lillard is getting close to $60M the next 2 seasons it's probably only going to get worse.
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Post#4 » by Matches Malone » Sat Nov 9, 2024 2:54 pm

eureca20 wrote:If you are trading all your picks unprotected then you probably want to be sure it's worth it. Trading for a small guard on the decline with some injury history is probably not the greatest idea.

It didn't go well last season. It's not going well so far this season. When Damian Lillard is getting close to $60M the next 2 seasons it's probably only going to get worse.


They lost most of their picks when they traded for Jrue, which ultimately ended in a championship. Think it was worth it even if they are paying the piper now.
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Post#5 » by JKiddy » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:13 pm

Now the question is do you trade him in February or this off-season?

I think it will be in the off-season unless they are far out of contention in 3 weeks.
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Post#6 » by ontnut » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:19 pm

JKiddy wrote:Now the question is do you trade him in February or this off-season?

I think it will be in the off-season unless they are far out of contention in 3 weeks.

Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.
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Post#7 » by JKiddy » Sat Nov 9, 2024 4:48 pm

The Bucks have no assets. He is going to demand out. The writing is on the wall. I think they can calm him down for a few months. I do not know where this ends. But, they can't build around him. They do not have the youth or picks to make that work.

How would you do this?
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Post#8 » by Montrosslegend » Sat Nov 9, 2024 6:09 pm

Here’s how I see the Bucks situation.. you traded Holiday for Lillard. Biggest mistake right there. You gave up a do it all defensive player who was a proven champion as well as other assets to get a guy who never proved to win **** and put up meaningless stats on a losing team. You fired your coach, again a proven winner and replaced him with and overpaid for a guy who’s lost the locker room and I’m not sure what the issue is with him but in all his years of coaching only produced one championship with the Celtics and the big 3.. your stuck with this coach and aren’t a franchise that’s making money so if u want to go more into debt and pay doc to sit at home, they can definitely do it, but I don’t see the team winning with their current players. Middleton is no longer a second star and isn’t worth **** on the trade market. Lopez is over the hill. What can you get for Lillard now? Real trade for them was to dump Middleton after championship after trade deadline and get another guy who could create his own shot as well as keep holiday.. anyways they don’t even have a draft pick so don’t even have a lottery pick to look forward to.. I would trade Giannis now while his value is high.. get a haul for him.. maybe a first rounder or 2 for Lillard and rebuild.. that’s the only way forward I can see.
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Re: Bucks Have No Interest In Trading Giannis Antetokounmpo 

Post#9 » by Pickled Prunes » Sat Nov 9, 2024 8:52 pm

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JKiddy wrote:Now the question is do you trade him in February or this off-season?

I think it will be in the off-season unless they are far out of contention in 3 weeks.

Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.

Happens all the time.

Shaq, Dwight, Melo, Kawhi, Kyrie, Deron Williams, AI, AD, KD, KG, PG, CP3 (to LAC), T-Mac, Vinsanity, Linsanity ( :wink: )... I could keep going. I won't argue top-5 with you. At one time or another each of these players were considered top-5 players by a subset of fans and they were all traded (more or less) in their primes.
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Post#10 » by tsherkin » Sat Nov 9, 2024 10:59 pm

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ontnut wrote:
JKiddy wrote:Now the question is do you trade him in February or this off-season?

I think it will be in the off-season unless they are far out of contention in 3 weeks.

Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.

Happens all the time.

Shaq, Dwight, Melo, Kawhi, Kyrie, Deron Williams, AI, AD, KD, KG, PG, CP3 (to LAC), T-Mac, Vinsanity, Linsanity ( :wink: )... I could keep going. I won't argue top-5 with you. At one time or another each of these players were considered top-5 players by a subset of fans and they were all traded (more or less) in their primes.


Shaq forced the issue. Melo forced the issue. Dwight had health issues, skill issues and attitude issues which limited him, and he dropped off immediately after leaving Orlando. Deron Williams wasn't a top-5 player ever. Neither was Kyrie.

Philly had enough of AI and traded him due to attitude issues. KD forced the issue. Paul George wasn't a top-5 player. Neither was Chris Paul. Vince wasn't a top 5 player when he was traded. McGrady had back issues and forced the issue.

The short version is that most of them weren't top-5 when they were traded, or the star themselves forced the issue.
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Post#11 » by Pickled Prunes » Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:21 am

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Pickled Prunes wrote:
ontnut wrote:Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.

Happens all the time.

Shaq, Dwight, Melo, Kawhi, Kyrie, Deron Williams, AI, AD, KD, KG, PG, CP3 (to LAC), T-Mac, Vinsanity, Linsanity ( :wink: )... I could keep going. I won't argue top-5 with you. At one time or another each of these players were considered top-5 players by a subset of fans and they were all traded (more or less) in their primes.


Shaq forced the issue. Melo forced the issue. Dwight had health issues, skill issues and attitude issues which limited him, and he dropped off immediately after leaving Orlando. Deron Williams wasn't a top-5 player ever. Neither was Kyrie.

Philly had enough of AI and traded him due to attitude issues. KD forced the issue. Paul George wasn't a top-5 player. Neither was Chris Paul. Vince wasn't a top 5 player when he was traded. McGrady had back issues and forced the issue.

The short version is that most of them weren't top-5 when they were traded, or the star themselves forced the issue.

So, it doesn't happen unless the player forces the issue? Often true, but that happens pretty regularly. Giannis could look around his locker room and ask for a trade tomorrow. Either way, I think you might be forgetting a bit of history.

Nobody was worried about Dwight's back; they were only worried about acquiring him. He only missed 7 games in his first 7 seasons. He was 2nd in MVP voting in 2011 and 7th (even with the injury) in 2012. Drop off after the trade is irrelevant.

I agree with you about Deron Williams, but he was in the conversation for "best PG" for a while, between himself, CP3 and Nash. He was firmly the 3rd best PG in the NBA for a bit and two All-NBA 2nds suggest he was a top 10 player when he was traded... a trade that took him by surprise.

T-Mac was a 2x all-NBA 1st, 2x scoring champ, and he finished 4th in MVP voting twice before the trade. He finished 6th, 7th and 8th after the trade. A drop off, but he was still great.

Vince Carter was probably never a top-5 player other than in fan popularity. But he was his best self after the trade, playing along side Kidd... who was a great player that was also traded in his prime.

Iverson averaged a career best 33/3/7 with what was at that point a career best in efficiency the season before he was traded to DEN.

Paul George finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2019 and was traded that summer.

CP3 finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2008. He finished top-5 in MVP voting 5 times, twice before the trade and three times after. He was definitely traded in his prime. I already said I'm not going to argue "Top-5", but some MVP voters seem to disagree with you. :wink:
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Post#12 » by tsherkin » Sun Nov 10, 2024 2:21 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:So, it doesn't happen unless the player forces the issue? Often true, but that happens pretty regularly.


It's possible, but it would have to come to the point where he did, was sort of my point.

Nobody was worried about Dwight's back; they were only worried about acquiring him. He only missed 7 games in his first 7 seasons. He was 2nd in MVP voting in 2011 and 7th (even with the injury) in 2012. Drop off after the trade is irrelevant.


Sure. The issue with him was more that he forced his way out because he didn't like SVG's offense and wanted to try to be Shaq.

I agree with you about Deron Williams, but he was in the conversation for "best PG" for a while, between himself, CP3 and Nash. He was firmly the 3rd best PG in the NBA for a bit and two All-NBA 2nds suggest he was a top 10 player when he was traded... a trade that took him by surprise.


"Best PG" doesn't really describe anything league-relative. There was no point where people thought he was better than Lebron or KD. Wade and Kobe were better for the first half of Deron's prime. Dwight, too. Dirk was better for a good chunk of that time. Rose's peak happened then. Chris Paul. I can't think of a single season where Deron was generally considered a top-5 player. Postionally, sure, but that wasn't teh measure.

T-Mac was a 2x all-NBA 1st, 2x scoring champ, and he finished 4th in MVP voting twice before the trade. He finished 6th, 7th and 8th after the trade. A drop off, but he was still great.


"Great" is probably pushing it. He put up numbers, but he was mostly gunning at lower efficiencies. He didn't reach league-average efficiency for the remainder of his career. And while he was still good, he wasn't a top-5 player in the league at that point. And even in 04, we were seeing him descending from that peak height.

Vince Carter was probably never a top-5 player other than in fan popularity. But he was his best self after the trade, playing along side Kidd... who was a great player that was also traded in his prime.


In 2000 and 2001, he had his best seasons. He did not have his "best self" after the trade. He peaked for us in the 01 season. He was a skillful veteran but he was also far worse after 2001. He also tanked his own value in advance of the trade. He was pretty good in 06 and a little better in 07, but indeed, certainly not a top-5 player. He was traded in his prime because he made a trade demand and whined like a child. It's forgotten now outside Toronto nearly 20 years later, but that was all about him, and he definitely wasn't top-5 at that stage of his career, even as a Net on the rebound.

Iverson averaged a career best 33/3/7 with what was at that point a career best in efficiency the season before he was traded to DEN.


Still wasn't a top-5 player in the league. He was 3rd Team for a reason, and part of it is that he still wasn't a terribly efficient scorer, nor a good defender. And that Nash, Lebron, Dirk, Kobe, Wade and TD were all better, at a minimum. That year, you could even argue Elton Brand, though that gets dicey. Garnett was better, too. And you could make the argument that peak Ben Wallace was as well.

Paul George finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2019 and was traded that summer.


And again, still wasn't a top-5 player. But nobody liked Durant after he went to the Warriors, Steph wasn't gonna win it that year, Kawhi had just whined his way out of San Antonio, the Lakers were sub-.500 so despite Lebron being better, he wasn't going to get MVP consideration, etc, etc, etc.

CP3 finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2008. He finished top-5 in MVP voting 5 times, twice before the trade and three times after. He was definitely traded in his prime. I already said I'm not going to argue "Top-5", but some MVP voters seem to disagree with you. :wink:


Some MVP voters gave Iverson and Rose and MVP, so their opinions tend not to mean very much to me. Paul was very good, but again, in 2008, was a narrative-driven award due to team success. He'd played the same the year prior and they were a 39-win team. But Peja played 13 games in 07 versus 77 in 08, David West had played 52 in 07 and played 76 in 08, etc. They made a giant leap due to health. And he had sexy numbers.

Still, fair enough with Paul.

Largely, though, my point stands. "Top-5" is a pretty arbitrary thing, which was mentioned, regardless of saying you don't want to argue about it. If instead we want to agree that some of these were really good and in their primes, sure.

If GIannis wants out, he might made the trade demand. It's possible. But it's ultimately not THAT common when the dude is actually one of the best in the league and still in his prime.
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Post#13 » by ontnut » Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:59 pm

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JKiddy wrote:Now the question is do you trade him in February or this off-season?

I think it will be in the off-season unless they are far out of contention in 3 weeks.

Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.

Happens all the time.

Shaq, Dwight, Melo, Kawhi, Kyrie, Deron Williams, AI, AD, KD, KG, PG, CP3 (to LAC), T-Mac, Vinsanity, Linsanity ( :wink: )... I could keep going. I won't argue top-5 with you. At one time or another each of these players were considered top-5 players by a subset of fans and they were all traded (more or less) in their primes.

You put in so many caveats lol. "at one time" ..."subset of fans".

Giannis is UNIVERSALLY considered a top 5 player, in contention for top 3 and has been for YEARS. Not some random season where he got extra usage due to teammate injury or just got an outlier season.

Other than a guy asking/sulking his way out, like Shaq/Kawhi/KD - when has a universally considered top 3-5 MVP candidate been traded in their prime? My point is - unless Giannis explicitly asks to be traded, MIL will trade every single other player than they can in order to retool around him.
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Post#14 » by JKiddy » Sun Nov 10, 2024 6:37 pm

This situation is VERY DIFFICULT.

The Bucks are screwed if they do not move him this season or in the off-season before he turns 30.

He said he wants to go to BK or Miami.

But, if either of those teams TRADE FOR HIM they will lose MOST OF THEIR ASSETS which made them ENTICING for him to GO TO.

He wants to win first and foremost and then its much nicer to live in BK or MIAMI then pretty much every other city in the NBA (with maybe 3-4 other contenders there).

So, you can't just trade Cam Thomas, Nik Claxton/CamJo, and a haul of picks or Bam, Herro, a young guy, and a haul of picks for him because he won't want to just play with like 2 other solid guys and then mostly rookies or decent starters. He wants to win very soon. So neither of these teams can trade for him UNLESS he DEMANDS to go to one of them and THROW A HUGE STINK ABOUT IT.

He would have to force the Bucks to deal him for 50 cents on the dollar this season or he might have truly screwed himself asking for Lillard to join him when everyone else on the Bucks now has next to no value and they have NO PICKS worth anything.

They can ask for their pick from the Nets, get like 3 other 1sts, and then get matching salaries of the Nets choice. But, I do not know if the Nets want an aging Giannis with the young core they are trying to build post this upcoming draft. Who knows? But, the Bucks will have to trade him whether he is a Top 5 or Top 6 player (irrelevant).
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Post#15 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:29 am

ontnut wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:
ontnut wrote:Neither?
You put literally everybody else out to pasture first. Nobody trades a top 5 player in their prime.

Happens all the time.

Shaq, Dwight, Melo, Kawhi, Kyrie, Deron Williams, AI, AD, KD, KG, PG, CP3 (to LAC), T-Mac, Vinsanity, Linsanity ( :wink: )... I could keep going. I won't argue top-5 with you. At one time or another each of these players were considered top-5 players by a subset of fans and they were all traded (more or less) in their primes.

You put in so many caveats lol. "at one time" ..."subset of fans".

Giannis is UNIVERSALLY considered a top 5 player, in contention for top 3 and has been for YEARS. Not some random season where he got extra usage due to teammate injury or just got an outlier season.

Other than a guy asking/sulking his way out, like Shaq/Kawhi/KD - when has a universally considered top 3-5 MVP candidate been traded in their prime? My point is - unless Giannis explicitly asks to be traded, MIL will trade every single other player than they can in order to retool around him.

And if he asks for a trade, he'll get it. If MIL sees no way out from under their pile of mistakes, they may even bring it up. It happens all the time.
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Post#16 » by Pickled Prunes » Mon Nov 11, 2024 5:35 am

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Pickled Prunes wrote:So, it doesn't happen unless the player forces the issue? Often true, but that happens pretty regularly.


It's possible, but it would have to come to the point where he did, was sort of my point.

Nobody was worried about Dwight's back; they were only worried about acquiring him. He only missed 7 games in his first 7 seasons. He was 2nd in MVP voting in 2011 and 7th (even with the injury) in 2012. Drop off after the trade is irrelevant.


Sure. The issue with him was more that he forced his way out because he didn't like SVG's offense and wanted to try to be Shaq.

I agree with you about Deron Williams, but he was in the conversation for "best PG" for a while, between himself, CP3 and Nash. He was firmly the 3rd best PG in the NBA for a bit and two All-NBA 2nds suggest he was a top 10 player when he was traded... a trade that took him by surprise.


"Best PG" doesn't really describe anything league-relative. There was no point where people thought he was better than Lebron or KD. Wade and Kobe were better for the first half of Deron's prime. Dwight, too. Dirk was better for a good chunk of that time. Rose's peak happened then. Chris Paul. I can't think of a single season where Deron was generally considered a top-5 player. Postionally, sure, but that wasn't teh measure.

T-Mac was a 2x all-NBA 1st, 2x scoring champ, and he finished 4th in MVP voting twice before the trade. He finished 6th, 7th and 8th after the trade. A drop off, but he was still great.


"Great" is probably pushing it. He put up numbers, but he was mostly gunning at lower efficiencies. He didn't reach league-average efficiency for the remainder of his career. And while he was still good, he wasn't a top-5 player in the league at that point. And even in 04, we were seeing him descending from that peak height.

Vince Carter was probably never a top-5 player other than in fan popularity. But he was his best self after the trade, playing along side Kidd... who was a great player that was also traded in his prime.


In 2000 and 2001, he had his best seasons. He did not have his "best self" after the trade. He peaked for us in the 01 season. He was a skillful veteran but he was also far worse after 2001. He also tanked his own value in advance of the trade. He was pretty good in 06 and a little better in 07, but indeed, certainly not a top-5 player. He was traded in his prime because he made a trade demand and whined like a child. It's forgotten now outside Toronto nearly 20 years later, but that was all about him, and he definitely wasn't top-5 at that stage of his career, even as a Net on the rebound.

Iverson averaged a career best 33/3/7 with what was at that point a career best in efficiency the season before he was traded to DEN.


Still wasn't a top-5 player in the league. He was 3rd Team for a reason, and part of it is that he still wasn't a terribly efficient scorer, nor a good defender. And that Nash, Lebron, Dirk, Kobe, Wade and TD were all better, at a minimum. That year, you could even argue Elton Brand, though that gets dicey. Garnett was better, too. And you could make the argument that peak Ben Wallace was as well.

Paul George finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2019 and was traded that summer.


And again, still wasn't a top-5 player. But nobody liked Durant after he went to the Warriors, Steph wasn't gonna win it that year, Kawhi had just whined his way out of San Antonio, the Lakers were sub-.500 so despite Lebron being better, he wasn't going to get MVP consideration, etc, etc, etc.

CP3 finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2008. He finished top-5 in MVP voting 5 times, twice before the trade and three times after. He was definitely traded in his prime. I already said I'm not going to argue "Top-5", but some MVP voters seem to disagree with you. :wink:


Some MVP voters gave Iverson and Rose and MVP, so their opinions tend not to mean very much to me. Paul was very good, but again, in 2008, was a narrative-driven award due to team success. He'd played the same the year prior and they were a 39-win team. But Peja played 13 games in 07 versus 77 in 08, David West had played 52 in 07 and played 76 in 08, etc. They made a giant leap due to health. And he had sexy numbers.

Still, fair enough with Paul.

Largely, though, my point stands. "Top-5" is a pretty arbitrary thing, which was mentioned, regardless of saying you don't want to argue about it. If instead we want to agree that some of these were really good and in their primes, sure.

If GIannis wants out, he might made the trade demand. It's possible. But it's ultimately not THAT common when the dude is actually one of the best in the league and still in his prime.

That's why didn't want to debate top-5. It really doesn't matter. If a player is any level of great and a team is bad or stuck in mediocrity, the player often asks for a trade. It happens all the time... but if you limit it to only five specific guys it becomes easy to argue that it's rare.
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Post#17 » by tsherkin » Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:48 pm

Pickled Prunes wrote:That's why didn't want to debate top-5. It really doesn't matter. If a player is any level of great and a team is bad or stuck in mediocrity, the player often asks for a trade. It happens all the time... but if you limit it to only five specific guys it becomes easy to argue that it's rare.


If you'd have just left it as something generic, then that would have made sense, but the reference was specifically to top-5 guys.

If you want to settle on "really good players in their prime," then that's fine. The answer is the same, though. It doesn't happen "all the time," it happens now and then. There are a handful of relevant examples over the past quarter century. Most of them have come when the franchise has grown intolerant of the player's shenanigans. Some of them have been traded after they were at the relevant level (or, like Vince, had undercut their own value so badly that it seemed so).

"Rare" is probably not the right word, but "uncommon" suits it well enough.
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Post#18 » by ontnut » Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:21 pm

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Pickled Prunes wrote:That's why didn't want to debate top-5. It really doesn't matter. If a player is any level of great and a team is bad or stuck in mediocrity, the player often asks for a trade. It happens all the time... but if you limit it to only five specific guys it becomes easy to argue that it's rare.


If you'd have just left it as something generic, then that would have made sense, but the reference was specifically to top-5 guys.

If you want to settle on "really good players in their prime," then that's fine. The answer is the same, though. It doesn't happen "all the time," it happens now and then. There are a handful of relevant examples over the past quarter century. Most of them have come when the franchise has grown intolerant of the player's shenanigans. Some of them have been traded after they were at the relevant level (or, like Vince, had undercut their own value so badly that it seemed so).

"Rare" is probably not the right word, but "uncommon" suits it well enough.

Precisely. The top 5 part matters because those are the MVP candidates. People bend "top 5" to mean "around top 5". No. I literally meant guys that are in conversation for #1-5, not #5-10.

And the original question I was answering was "do the Bucks trade Giannis at this deadline or this offseason, or do they trade him if they're out of contention in a month or two". My point was to assert how the Bucks would trade literally everyone else they could off the team to try and reset around Giannis, before they even considered trading Giannis. They haven't done that yet, so why would they consider trading Giannis now?

Giannis isn't going up to the Bucks, an organization that has catered to his every whim, and to which he re-signed without even testing FA, and demanding a trade after also demanding (allegedly) that they bring in Lillard and Rivers. I don't think he's like KD. But even if he was, I would think he'd go to them and say "Hey, this isn't working, trade middleton and Lillard for someone. Anyone. If things don't improve I will decline my option and test free agency". His contract could be up in 26-27 when he's 32. He's got a player option for 27-28. So the Bucks have this year and next year to figure their ish out. If they don't right the ship by end of the 2025-26 season, then I'd assume you'd get a flurry of action around Giannis. Right now is premature.
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Post#19 » by JKiddy » Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:17 pm

"Hey, this isn't working, trade middleton and Lillard for someone."

WHO???

Their values are at an all-time low. You don't think they haven't been trying to do this for the last few months? It seems like there are no takers.
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Re: Bucks Have No Interest In Trading Giannis Antetokounmpo 

Post#20 » by Pickled Prunes » Tue Nov 12, 2024 12:01 am

ontnut wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
Pickled Prunes wrote:That's why didn't want to debate top-5. It really doesn't matter. If a player is any level of great and a team is bad or stuck in mediocrity, the player often asks for a trade. It happens all the time... but if you limit it to only five specific guys it becomes easy to argue that it's rare.


If you'd have just left it as something generic, then that would have made sense, but the reference was specifically to top-5 guys.

If you want to settle on "really good players in their prime," then that's fine. The answer is the same, though. It doesn't happen "all the time," it happens now and then. There are a handful of relevant examples over the past quarter century. Most of them have come when the franchise has grown intolerant of the player's shenanigans. Some of them have been traded after they were at the relevant level (or, like Vince, had undercut their own value so badly that it seemed so).

"Rare" is probably not the right word, but "uncommon" suits it well enough.

Precisely. The top 5 part matters because those are the MVP candidates. People bend "top 5" to mean "around top 5". No. I literally meant guys that are in conversation for #1-5, not #5-10.

And the original question I was answering was "do the Bucks trade Giannis at this deadline or this offseason, or do they trade him if they're out of contention in a month or two". My point was to assert how the Bucks would trade literally everyone else they could off the team to try and reset around Giannis, before they even considered trading Giannis. They haven't done that yet, so why would they consider trading Giannis now?

Giannis isn't going up to the Bucks, an organization that has catered to his every whim, and to which he re-signed without even testing FA, and demanding a trade after also demanding (allegedly) that they bring in Lillard and Rivers. I don't think he's like KD. But even if he was, I would think he'd go to them and say "Hey, this isn't working, trade middleton and Lillard for someone. Anyone. If things don't improve I will decline my option and test free agency". His contract could be up in 26-27 when he's 32. He's got a player option for 27-28. So the Bucks have this year and next year to figure their ish out. If they don't right the ship by end of the 2025-26 season, then I'd assume you'd get a flurry of action around Giannis. Right now is premature.

If the top player wants to get moved, they get moved. Your belief that they are or are not top-5 is irrelevant. There is no player too good to get moved.

MIL has nothing to trade that they could get a positive return by trading. Maybe they could turn Lillard into a few lesser players; Herro and Duncan perhaps. But they are extremely asset poor. But if OKC calls them with 8 firsts and an injured Holmgren, do they wait for Giannis to demand a trade or do they pull the trigger?

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