PG: Raps get just a trim by Clippers

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Early in Griffin's tenure I went to Bucks' board to watch the games with them because I was genuinely interested in how Griffin does with Giannis and Lillard experiment. People were being critical of Griffin. I observed that players' body language was bad. This was like game 3-5, way before the stories were coming out. Mods there deleted MY comment and banned me for 2 days from the entire board without so much as an explanation. I sent them DMs after my return asking for explanation. Such snowflakes. Never visited there again.

This guy's an obvious troll account. Let me guess he didn't have much post history?

I concour, that Bucks mod Mickey is softer than our worst mods

One of the mods that posts here (but not currently a mod on this board) banned me from posting on the General Board several years ago. The Thread was called "Players that clueless fans hate on" ... I posted Vincenzo Esposito and said he was better than Michael Jordan.

that's a funny post you made. Why would anyone ban you for that is beyond me.

[Shakril]

good game so far. Aside those bogus foulcalls ofc.

[Potential]

You guys stink and have very little talent. You also overhyped Scottie Barnes who isn’t very good and will never come close to superstar level.

Warned.

Another Bulls fan trying to talk **** in the year 2025

[Indeed]

Scottie Barnes and IQ are better then RJ Barrett management talked about building around those 2 and they are paid like they are I don't think anyone actually debates that?]

100% its debatable and it has been debated here over the last month or 2.

I need to see a full season.of these guys playing together before deciding who is more.valuable (between Quick & RJ). So far RJ has out-performed Quick since they both landed here.

Not that it matters.all that much at this stage. I want them all to grow and get better.

RJ Barrett is an extremely complex player and I think it's important for people to be completely cognizant of what he is right now.

When he's on he looks like the guy that was once a top prospect and looks like a potential All-Star but when he's bad he looks scary bad to the point where he's unplayable and the guy the Knicks gave up on at 23.

So who is the real RJ Barrett at this point in his development somewhere in between those 2 extremes. That's why this year is crucial because at 24.5 years old he's entering that fine line of young player still developing and who he actually is.

If this is who he's going to be then I'm fine with him as the 4th or 5th best Raptor who at times can even look like number 1. That's why it's important for him to add to his bag because if he reverts back to Knick RJ you're looking at a guy who gives you inefficient offense and poor defense which is basically a DeRozan/Bargnani level type player that you might not want to be part of your core.

IQ doesn't have these extreme lows where he falls off a cliff like RJ does when he's bad.

I'm rooting for RJ though I like his makeup and I hope he can fix some of his flaws and be more consistent. I also like how Darko is trying to make him expand his game with his playmaking last year when he said he wanted him to be like Manu Ginobilli I didn't really see it in him but he's done a good job so far with that.

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In order for RJ Barrett to be effective, he needs the ball. However, he might also not effective when he defenders are all into him at once and cannot pass the ball.

On the first game Barrett came back, the first quarter was bad, because he got to the rim and tried to score against 3 defenders. The second quarter was good because he passed the ball before second defender came at him.

Anyway, he still needs to work on his off ball, both shooting and defense. I think he can be a borderline 1st option with enough spacing. (One thing you were wrong is that Bargnani was never being paid as the 1st option. He only got a starter salary, never a max contract, so I am unsure how people determine he was the 1st option.)

[Scott Hall]

100% its debatable and it has been debated here over the last month or 2.

I need to see a full season.of these guys playing together before deciding who is more.valuable (between Quick & RJ). So far RJ has out-performed Quick since they both landed here.

Not that it matters.all that much at this stage. I want them all to grow and get better.

RJ Barrett is an extremely complex player and I think it's important for people to be completely cognizant of what he is right now.

When he's on he looks like the guy that was once a top prospect and looks like a potential All-Star but when he's bad he looks scary bad to the point where he's unplayable and the guy the Knicks gave up on at 23.

So who is the real RJ Barrett at this point in his development somewhere in between those 2 extremes. That's why this year is crucial because at 24.5 years old he's entering that fine line of young player still developing and who he actually is.

If this is who he's going to be then I'm fine with him as the 4th or 5th best Raptor who at times can even look like number 1. That's why it's important for him to add to his bag because if he reverts back to Knick RJ you're looking at a guy who gives you inefficient offense and poor defense which is basically a DeRozan/Bargnani level type player that you might not want to be part of your core.

IQ doesn't have these extreme lows where he falls off a cliff like RJ does when he's bad.

I'm rooting for RJ though I like his makeup and I hope he can fix some of his flaws and be more consistent. I also like how Darko is trying to make him expand his game with his playmaking last year when he said he wanted him to be like Manu Ginobilli I didn't really see it in him but he's done a good job so far with that.

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In order for RJ Barrett to be effective, he needs the ball. However, he might also not effective when he defenders are all into him at once and cannot pass the ball.

On the first game Barrett came back, the first quarter was bad, because he got to the rim and tried to score against 3 defenders. The second quarter was good because he passed the ball before second defender came at him.

Anyway, he still needs to work on his off ball, both shooting and defense. I think he can be a borderline 1st option with enough spacing. (One thing you were wrong is that Bargnani was never being paid as the 1st option. He only got a starter salary, never a max contract, so I am unsure how people determine he was the 1st option.)

Not trying to be rude but I have no idea what you're talking about? a bunch of incoherent rambling disputing things I never even said lol

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[Indeed]

The only reasonable excuse for Darko to inbound to Jak 2X is if he was attempting to lose the game. But the players are still trying to win. This is a stupid way to run a basketball franchise. The players will eventually just stop listening to the guy and then all those development wins will backslide. All these close games might end up in wins, which is not what they want. It's not entertaining to watch close losses as a trend. It's boring.

To be fair, we started with Fernando, but clearly not the same level.

Our roster is by design not to win games. We just don't have a C who can end games for us.

[Indeed]

RJ Barrett is an extremely complex player and I think it's important for people to be completely cognizant of what he is right now.

When he's on he looks like the guy that was once a top prospect and looks like a potential All-Star but when he's bad he looks scary bad to the point where he's unplayable and the guy the Knicks gave up on at 23.

So who is the real RJ Barrett at this point in his development somewhere in between those 2 extremes. That's why this year is crucial because at 24.5 years old he's entering that fine line of young player still developing and who he actually is.

If this is who he's going to be then I'm fine with him as the 4th or 5th best Raptor who at times can even look like number 1. That's why it's important for him to add to his bag because if he reverts back to Knick RJ you're looking at a guy who gives you inefficient offense and poor defense which is basically a DeRozan/Bargnani level type player that you might not want to be part of your core.

IQ doesn't have these extreme lows where he falls off a cliff like RJ does when he's bad.

I'm rooting for RJ though I like his makeup and I hope he can fix some of his flaws and be more consistent. I also like how Darko is trying to make him expand his game with his playmaking last year when he said he wanted him to be like Manu Ginobilli I didn't really see it in him but he's done a good job so far with that.

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In order for RJ Barrett to be effective, he needs the ball. However, he might also not effective when he defenders are all into him at once and cannot pass the ball.

On the first game Barrett came back, the first quarter was bad, because he got to the rim and tried to score against 3 defenders. The second quarter was good because he passed the ball before second defender came at him.

Anyway, he still needs to work on his off ball, both shooting and defense. I think he can be a borderline 1st option with enough spacing. (One thing you were wrong is that Bargnani was never being paid as the 1st option. He only got a starter salary, never a max contract, so I am unsure how people determine he was the 1st option.)

Not trying to be rude but I have no idea what you're talking about? a bunch of incoherent rambling disputing things I never even said lol

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You said RJ is up and down, but you didn't provide the in game analysis of why he is up and down, which I explained above. I don't even know if you actually watch the game, maybe just by reading box score.

[Scott Hall]

In order for RJ Barrett to be effective, he needs the ball. However, he might also not effective when he defenders are all into him at once and cannot pass the ball.

On the first game Barrett came back, the first quarter was bad, because he got to the rim and tried to score against 3 defenders. The second quarter was good because he passed the ball before second defender came at him.

Anyway, he still needs to work on his off ball, both shooting and defense. I think he can be a borderline 1st option with enough spacing. (One thing you were wrong is that Bargnani was never being paid as the 1st option. He only got a starter salary, never a max contract, so I am unsure how people determine he was the 1st option.)

Not trying to be rude but I have no idea what you're talking about? a bunch of incoherent rambling disputing things I never even said lol

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You said RJ is up and down, but you didn't provide the in game analysis of why he is up and down, which I explained above. I don't even know if you actually watch the game, maybe just by reading box score.

Yes I did and your "analysis" made no sense just like your rant about Bargnani. Sounds like you have not watched RJ his entire career or the past week.

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[Indeed]

Not trying to be rude but I have no idea what you're talking about? a bunch of incoherent rambling disputing things I never even said lol

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You said RJ is up and down, but you didn't provide the in game analysis of why he is up and down, which I explained above. I don't even know if you actually watch the game, maybe just by reading box score.

Yes I did and your "analysis" made no sense just like your rant about Bargnani. Sounds like you have not watched RJ his entire career or the past week.

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Sounds like you totally have zero point on your posts.

[Scott Hall]

You said RJ is up and down, but you didn't provide the in game analysis of why he is up and down, which I explained above. I don't even know if you actually watch the game, maybe just by reading box score.

Yes I did and your "analysis" made no sense just like your rant about Bargnani. Sounds like you have not watched RJ his entire career or the past week.

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Sounds like you totally have zero point on your posts.

That's funny because I know your reputation on this board as the Bargnani guy back in the day.

You were such a delusional hardcore Bargnani fan boy you would derail any conversations about concerns and constructive criticism about him acting like a child in a sandbox.

Even after Bargnani flamed out of the league you still refused to eat crow and accepted to take your "L"

It was your choice to die on that hill but after that it's like why would I want to interact with someone who is way off base but more importantly behaves like that? I see the scouting report on you hasn't changed and I'm not taking the bait and playing your games I'm to old for Grade 2 stuff.

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[Indeed]

Yes I did and your "analysis" made no sense just like your rant about Bargnani. Sounds like you have not watched RJ his entire career or the past week.

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Sounds like you totally have zero point on your posts.

That's funny because I know your reputation on this board as the Bargnani guy back in the day.

You were such a delusional hardcore Bargnani fan boy you would derail any conversations about concerns and constructive criticism about him acting like a child in a sandbox.

Even after Bargnani flamed out of the league you still refused to eat crow and accepted to take your "L"

It was your choice to die on that hill but after that it's like why would I want to interact with someone who is way off base but more importantly behaves like that? I see the scouting report on you hasn't changed and I'm not taking the bait and playing your games I'm to old for Grade 2 stuff.

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I am just speaking of the contract comparison. More like people hating on Bargnani because he is the 1st overall pick, while he really isn't even position as a franchise, lol. I see myself pretty fair in terms of valuing pros and cons. People also hate me on saying DeRozan, yet, getting Leonard simply proved by the championship.

Meanwhile, your point on Barrett to me has no evidence. I don't even see you providing any points on Barrett in terms of scoring type, shot selection, etc. Simply just box score without context.

[Scott Hall]

Sounds like you totally have zero point on your posts.

That's funny because I know your reputation on this board as the Bargnani guy back in the day.

You were such a delusional hardcore Bargnani fan boy you would derail any conversations about concerns and constructive criticism about him acting like a child in a sandbox.

Even after Bargnani flamed out of the league you still refused to eat crow and accepted to take your "L"

It was your choice to die on that hill but after that it's like why would I want to interact with someone who is way off base but more importantly behaves like that? I see the scouting report on you hasn't changed and I'm not taking the bait and playing your games I'm to old for Grade 2 stuff.

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I am just speaking of the contract comparison. More like people hating on Bargnani because he is the 1st overall pick, while he really isn't even position as a franchise, lol. I see myself pretty fair in terms of valuing pros and cons. People also hate me on saying DeRozan, yet, getting Leonard simply proved by the championship.

Meanwhile, your point on Barrett to me has no evidence. I don't even see you providing any points on Barrett in terms of scoring type, shot selection, etc. Simply just box score without context.

A lot of the grammar and things you say don't make any sense and maybe English is a 2nd or 3rd language for you so that's why it's hard for you to understand things?

I also remember you with DeRozan but you literally fought this entire board about Bargnani like I mentioned you died on that hill and I don't remember you ever apologizing or admitting you were wrong after the fact. Everyone else was stupid and didn't know what they were talking about excuses blah blah blah I never seen anything like it.

All I ask of you is to make your counter points make sense and don't make up stuff and put words in posters mouths they didn't say to fit your narrative. And debate people without the little cheap shots and baiting. The reason why I remember you after 10-15 years about Bargnani was not because you were wrong about him but more how you conducted yourself.

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[Indeed]

That's funny because I know your reputation on this board as the Bargnani guy back in the day.

You were such a delusional hardcore Bargnani fan boy you would derail any conversations about concerns and constructive criticism about him acting like a child in a sandbox.

Even after Bargnani flamed out of the league you still refused to eat crow and accepted to take your "L"

It was your choice to die on that hill but after that it's like why would I want to interact with someone who is way off base but more importantly behaves like that? I see the scouting report on you hasn't changed and I'm not taking the bait and playing your games I'm to old for Grade 2 stuff.

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I am just speaking of the contract comparison. More like people hating on Bargnani because he is the 1st overall pick, while he really isn't even position as a franchise, lol. I see myself pretty fair in terms of valuing pros and cons. People also hate me on saying DeRozan, yet, getting Leonard simply proved by the championship.

Meanwhile, your point on Barrett to me has no evidence. I don't even see you providing any points on Barrett in terms of scoring type, shot selection, etc. Simply just box score without context.

A lot of the grammar and things you say don't make any sense and maybe English is a 2nd or 3rd language for you so that's why it's hard for you to understand things?

I also remember you with DeRozan but you literally fought this entire board about Bargnani like I mentioned you died on that hill and I don't remember you ever apologizing or admitting you were wrong after the fact. Everyone else was stupid and didn't know what they were talking about excuses blah blah blah I never seen anything like it.

All I ask of you is to make your counter points make sense and don't make up stuff and put words in posters mouths they didn't say to fit your narrative. And debate people without the little cheap shots and baiting. The reason why I remember you after 10-15 years about Bargnani was not because you were wrong about him but more how you conducted yourself.

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I don't even see your original point, what "counter" point I need to make?
Do I make stuff up? When?

Anyway, something other people write regarding the reason on why Barrett was not playing well. If you don't understand me, maybe you can read someone else, pretty much covered more than I did with evidence.
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2024/11/11/so-is-torontos-rj-barrett-a-star-or-has-he-regressed-to-his-knicks-days/

[Scott Hall]

I am just speaking of the contract comparison. More like people hating on Bargnani because he is the 1st overall pick, while he really isn't even position as a franchise, lol. I see myself pretty fair in terms of valuing pros and cons. People also hate me on saying DeRozan, yet, getting Leonard simply proved by the championship.

Meanwhile, your point on Barrett to me has no evidence. I don't even see you providing any points on Barrett in terms of scoring type, shot selection, etc. Simply just box score without context.

A lot of the grammar and things you say don't make any sense and maybe English is a 2nd or 3rd language for you so that's why it's hard for you to understand things?

I also remember you with DeRozan but you literally fought this entire board about Bargnani like I mentioned you died on that hill and I don't remember you ever apologizing or admitting you were wrong after the fact. Everyone else was stupid and didn't know what they were talking about excuses blah blah blah I never seen anything like it.

All I ask of you is to make your counter points make sense and don't make up stuff and put words in posters mouths they didn't say to fit your narrative. And debate people without the little cheap shots and baiting. The reason why I remember you after 10-15 years about Bargnani was not because you were wrong about him but more how you conducted yourself.

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I don't even see your original point, what "counter" point I need to make?
Do I make stuff up? When?

Anyway, something other people write regarding the reason on why Barrett was not playing well. If you don't understand me, maybe you can read someone else, pretty much covered more than I did with evidence.
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2024/11/11/so-is-torontos-rj-barrett-a-star-or-has-he-regressed-to-his-knicks-days/

I as an RJ Barrett fan make posts about his pros and cons and try to be objective as possible.

You tell me I'm wrong about everything with out telling me why throwing in some little cheap shots.

Then link me an article that was saying a lot of the things I was saying??

Based on this interaction and knowing your past I think you might have a mental illness.



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[Indeed]

A lot of the grammar and things you say don't make any sense and maybe English is a 2nd or 3rd language for you so that's why it's hard for you to understand things?

I also remember you with DeRozan but you literally fought this entire board about Bargnani like I mentioned you died on that hill and I don't remember you ever apologizing or admitting you were wrong after the fact. Everyone else was stupid and didn't know what they were talking about excuses blah blah blah I never seen anything like it.

All I ask of you is to make your counter points make sense and don't make up stuff and put words in posters mouths they didn't say to fit your narrative. And debate people without the little cheap shots and baiting. The reason why I remember you after 10-15 years about Bargnani was not because you were wrong about him but more how you conducted yourself.

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I don't even see your original point, what "counter" point I need to make?
Do I make stuff up? When?

Anyway, something other people write regarding the reason on why Barrett was not playing well. If you don't understand me, maybe you can read someone else, pretty much covered more than I did with evidence.
https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2024/11/11/so-is-torontos-rj-barrett-a-star-or-has-he-regressed-to-his-knicks-days/

I as an RJ Barrett fan make posts about his pros and cons and try to be objective as possible.

You tell me I'm wrong about everything with out telling me why throwing in some little cheap shots.

Then link me an article that was saying a lot of the things I was saying??

Based on this interaction and knowing your past I think you might have a mental illness.



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I never said you were wrong, and more just to put out some detail following your post.
One thing may not agree with you is "IQ doesn't have these extreme lows where he falls off a cliff like RJ does when he's bad. ", Barrett on our system wouldn't be that bad with his ability to drive to the rim, and would be on par with Quickley.